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WookieMan says

This was 2005: https://www.forbes.com/2005/10/18/money-counterfeit-digital-cx_dl_1018money.html?sh=71e89f757478

This link backs up my point, not yours. Recognizing denomination is not tracking. The rest of them offer no direct correlation between your unfounded opinion that supermarket payments are tracked. A money counter machine used by banks or law enforcement is not hidden inside an auto checkout.

WookieMan says

This comment might be personal, but it's apparent at this point that you're involved in illegal stuff.

I don't think it's personal. I do think it's telling of your world outlook. You accept the curtails on your freedom when it comes to the digital world because you don't have the knowledge, or drive to resist. You subscribe to the dictum "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide." Despite the fact this saying was popularized under fascist regimes that routinely prosecuted regular people who had done nothing immoral.

And finally, you have the defeatist mentality of early conspiracy believers, who see the powers running things as god-like. They are anything but, and their system is falling down around their ears.

The most dangerous belief people like you hold is that law = morality. The worst atrocities in the world have been carried out under this belief.

NuttBoxer says

1337irr says

I would say one good benefit of a cashless society is a decrease in robbery, at least one could hope. Thoughts?

What about when they chop of your hand to get the chip to make online purchases? Robbery of paper decrease in exchange for robbery of limbs increase...

Maybe a bit facetious, but there's no perfect system, and the largest banks heists have all been online.

Not if you're using OPM and don't have to pay it. Sure you might get cut off, but that's why you have a safe bolted to your floor with cash. You should NEVER use your own cash when purchasing. Only to pay off and that's if you want to or can.

I'll take my $8k tax free benefits every year by swiping a flipping card. Track me. Shut it down. I have back ups. I don't do anything illegal. Steal my credit card and phone. I'll have the card shut down in minutes and can get the charges overturned if they get that far in minutes. Once cash is gone, it's gone. I like my method. You don't have to. But I'm making anywhere from 4-6% interest on things I already need and pay it off monthly.

NuttBoxer says

You subscribe to the dictum "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide." Despite the fact this saying was popularized under fascist regimes that routinely prosecuted regular people who had done nothing immoral.

This is where you and I may differ. Not you specifically, but I have zero issue killing someone if they fuck with me. That includes authorities. You fuck with my life as it currently is, there's going to be a reaction. And no, not a direct threat at anyone and no one to date has actually fucked with me. Our back and forth is trivial and I'd think you'd agree.

On the Mountain View recent post I applaud them for stepping up and talking about their issue. I'll never be public like that. So in a way we're similar in that I do appreciate my privacy. If government comes down on me, some people aren't going to make it is all I'll say. But I'm not going to pretend hiding behind cash that they don't know what I'm doing. They do. So I'll make money off it. You do you, all I'm pointing out is there's an alternative that's not all big brother as portrayed many times on this site. Cash or credit are the least of your worries as I've said before.

1337irr says

Fair point, I think it's wise to consider leaving the country when that happens. I hope the US doesn't get there.

We're already there. There's plenty of people I have followed who have been deplatformed, same thing happened to them, and this was years ago. The money you send, is simply stolen.

WookieMan says

ut I'm making anywhere from 4-6% interest on things I already need and pay it off monthly.

All while building your social credit score! I can't stress this enough morality != law. I guess with my unknown social credit tendencies, they could assume the worst, but at least I'm not painting a target on my back from the git-go.

WookieMan says

But I'm not going to pretend hiding behind cash that they don't know what I'm doing. They do. So I'll make money off it.

I think the important distinction here is passive versus active. Thanks to Snowden we know they are spying on us. But is anyone actively spying on you or me? Fuck no, we're nothing, not even blips on their radar. With Federal Debt notes the system it's even more passive. The mechanisms are in place, for sure, but in absence of a big crime, they aren't utilized, and cannot be searched like Prism. And are not tapped into every stream dollars are used for. In Arizona you can buy guns off resale sites from individuals. Swap meets, garage sales, purchases at a store where you don't use a loyalty card, and pay cash that goes into a register with everyone else's bills. Gift cards that require no personal info to make purchases with. If I'm wrong, why have the loyalty programs? Although even with those, you can usually give fake info.

WookieMan says

Cash or credit are the least of your worries as I've said before.

Agreed. But I've already taken care of the more urgent matters, and I like the game. I prefer giving the middle finger every chance I get, fuck the system, they don't own me.

NuttBoxer says

but at least I'm not painting a target on my back from the git-go.

I've been thinking of having a T-shirt created which has a bullseye centered on my heart.

The older I get, the more defiant I'm going to become.

NuttBoxer says

I think the important distinction here is passive versus active. Thanks to Snowden we know they are spying on us. But is anyone actively spying on you or me? Fuck no

YES they are.

I'm in Silly Con Valley. Everything you speak on a phone, or email, or write in an SMS is recorded, and reviewed by some algorithm. Believe me. We can do this, and because we CAN do this, this is done.

You won't listen to us, you won't trust us, there's no magic in this, nothing imaginary about this. We can do this, so I guarantee the government does it.

Why do you think you have "free email"? How does it help a corporation for you to sign up for a "free email" - how do they make money from this? Take telegram, you're allowed to talk on that, but there are no advertisements - how do they make money? The point of all these systems is monitoring.

I used to wonder "how do they make money off from this?" - well, they sell information to the government intelligence agencies. The internet, a good portion of it, is a monitoring system and propaganda system.

If you're not paying for a service, the service is monitoring you - you are the product, you're being studied.

WookieMan says

Cash is a liability on so many levels

But it beats a CBDC controlled with a social credit score.

I agree. The worst possible situation is people like Justin Turdeau being able to completely block your purchase of anything rather that just turning off your bank account, like he did to the truckers who were legitimately protesting dangerous forced injections.

I just saw a comment somewhere that a lot of the Amish actually use silver and gold with each other.

I figured the Amish were mostly barter..

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/new-york-city-to-track-personal-food

New York City to Track Personal Food Choices Using Credit Card Data
This is needed to fight climate change, NYC mayor says

Remember the crazy right-wing conspiracy theory alleging that our food purchases will be tracked to reduce our CO2 consumption?

That one is turning out to be true!

Yesterday, New York City announced its plan to track the “food choices” of New Yorkers using credit card data from individual store purchases. According to the mayor, tracking individual food choices is a step towards “reducing the CO2 output” of New Yorkers. ...

You would think such a plan would only be made after a conversation with New Yorkers, right? After all, the mayor of New York is supposed to serve New Yorkers, not the other way around.

However, the reality is that there was no consultation and no “conversation” because New York’s mayor Eric Adams is sure that people do not even want to have a “conversation” about interrogating their food choices. ...

Rather than framing this issue as a health matter, I urge you to consider it a question of basic fairness: the unelected, supranational, self-appointed masters of the world are trying to track and influence our behavior without even asking for permission or inquiring about our opinion.

We are being assured that this is done for our good. However, these same people benefit financially from well-placed investments in companies growing fake meat comprised of cancer tumor cells.

In regards to the meme above, with a digital currency and the oligarchical control society that comes with it we will have nothing to sell. There will be no waiters or barbers to tip. Buskers, homeless, and grandparents will be eliminated as useless eaters. There will be no privacy whatsoever. Canada's government already tipped their hand when they froze bank accounts for wrong think. They wanted want to eliminate us.

Remember Orwell's telescreen? It's already in your pocket. Let's not lose the coins in our pockets, and our liberty.

Pay with cash whenever you can, especially with small business, big government is trying to suffocate them with taxes and regulation.

https://slaynews.com/news/united-nations-planning-digital-id-linked-bank-accounts/

United Nations Planning Digital ID Linked to Bank Accounts ...

The UN describes this goal as “an open, free, secure and human-centered digital future.”

The digital future as envisaged by these groups is going to be quite the opposite of open, free, or human-centric, however.

As far as the UN’s “vision” for a future global financial system, it is supposed to be harmonized with the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.

It would be governed by something called “the apex body” that is yet to be set up.

If they impose a digital currency, how will the druggies buy their stuff? Maybe the government will hand out "untraceable" EBT cards.

Every attempt at controlled economy(Communism), always results in a black market. This scheme would be no different.

What does it take to get a revolution?

They are trying to transgender kids, they are shoving LGBTQ down our throats, they are handing out pornography to children, they are advertising LGBTQ to children in elementary school and teaching them about sex (both gay and straight) then, they are pushing CRT on kids, our president is openly accepting bribes by selling his crackhead son's "art", our president wasn't elected, our DOJ is engaging in selective prosecution and ignoring BLATANT crimes, we have 800 political prisoners, actual journalists are tortured in prison for over a decade, whistleblowers are placed in exile, we've been lied into 7 wars, our government started a conflict in Ukraine that could lead to thermonuclear war, they lied about a pandemic, they locked down the country for 2 fucking years, and they tried to force the entire country to take experimental injections of god knows what, which we know is causing death for some unluckly people.

richwicks says

What does it take to get a revolution?

They are trying to transgender kids, they are shoving LGBTQ down our throats, they are handing out pornography to children, they are advertising LGBTQ to children in elementary school and teaching them about sex (both gay and straight) then, they are pushing CRT on kids, our president is openly accepting bribes by selling his crackhead son's "art", our president wasn't elected, our DOJ is engaging in selective prosecution and ignoring BLATANT crimes, we have 800 political prisoners, actual journalists are tortured in prison for over a decade, whistleblowers are placed in exile, we've been lied into 7 wars, our government started a conflict in Ukraine that could lead to thermonuclear war, they lied about a pandemic, they locked down the country for 2 fucking years, and they tried to force the entire country to take experimental injections of god knows what, which we know is causing death for some unluckly people.

It will take what's it's always taken. When parents see their children starving to death before their eyes, when families sell daughters into sex slavery to feed the family, when stomachs are empty and the people have nothing left to lose. We got pretty close to that in the early 1930's.

stereotomy says

It will take what's it's always taken. When parents see their children starving to death before their eyes, when families sell daughters into sex slavery to feed the family, when stomachs are empty and the people have nothing left to lose. We got pretty close to that in the early 1930's.

Ah, I finally understand. Most "people" around me are just cattle and you can do whatever you want to them, as long as they aren't starving.

richwicks says

Ah, I finally understand. Most "people" around me are just cattle and you can do whatever you want to them, as long as they aren't starving.

When you have completely demoralized and brainwashed a population, the only thing that will break some, possibly enough, of them out of it is the human survival instinct. So many are indeed cattle, and nothing will help them. They will place their necks on the chopping block willingly.

The urge for freedom of any sort has been systematically bred out of the human race for almost 10,000 years. Hypergamy is a great example. All the loyal women were murdered by being raped to death, while the conniving whores survived.

richwicks says

What does it take to get a revolution?

As silly as this sounds, comedians. They're able to tell the woke culture better than anyone and actually make people think. It's like "oh shit, that's actually true." Some people will always be blind, but if you can make a good joke about it, as long as you don't get cancelled it can wake people up.

RIP, but go listen to some Norm McDonald clips. Bad Tube, but not a chance in hell you get away with this now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6aOy1lC3NE

WookieMan says

As silly as this sounds, comedians. They're able to tell the woke culture better than anyone and actually make people think. It's like "oh shit, that's actually true." Some people will always be blind, but if you can make a good joke about it, as long as you don't get cancelled it can wake people up.

Yes, exactly!

That's my motive with the memes I collect and publish each day.

Elon had a good explanation for why the left can't meme: because they are lying, all the time. It's just not funny to repeat a lie, like "safe and effective".

The right, on the other hand, has wonderful memes because the point of each meme is to expose a lie, and people feel the tension between what their criminal overlords are telling them and the truth. Example: "Safe and effective is not a lie. It's two lies." People laugh because they know it's true but aren't allowed to say it.

richwicks says

Ah, I finally understand. Most "people" around me are just cattle and you can do whatever you want to them, as long as they aren't starving.

To be honest, this is exactly what SBF was saying. There's a quote from SBF which seems to be erased from the internet now. "People are stupid. Like really stupid." He uses this to justify ripping them off and to justify the system which will now ensure that absolutely nothing bad happens to him.

stereotomy says

When you have completely demoralized and brainwashed a population, the only thing that will break some, possibly enough, of them out of it is the human survival instinct. So many are indeed cattle, and nothing will help them. They will place their necks on the chopping block willingly.

I've read a plausible argument that the Chinese were selected to be genetically more meek and passive because the emperor had every violent criminal executed for something like 3,000 years. All the men with big balls were removed from the population.

Not that violent criminals are a good thing, but the same testosterone which makes men violent also makes men willing to defend themselves and their families.

A good example of a guy that would not have survived in historical China is Roy Larner, who would be considered just a soccer lout except for the fact that he fought back against Muslim terrorists armed with knives:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-f-k-fuck-you-i-m-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-bridge-borough-market-terrorists-knives-bare-hands-fists-saved-lives-fought-back-single-handed-george-cross-a7775246.html

London attack: Football fan shouted 'F* you, I’m Millwall' and took on knife-wielding terrorists with bare fists

Calls for Roy Larner, the 'Lion of London Bridge', to be given a medal after reportedly saving lives and making Millwall fans popular by single-handedly taking on the three attackers

A football fan reportedly yelled “F**k you, I’m Millwall” as he single-handedly took on the three knife-wielding London terror attackers armed with nothing more than his fists.

Roy Larner has already been hailed a hero, with a petition launched for him to be awarded the George Cross medal for his actions in the Black and Blue steakhouse on Saturday night.

In fighting back, the 47-year-old Millwall fan gave dozens of others who were in the Borough Market restaurant the chance to escape.

Now out of the intensive care ward of St Thomas’ Hospital, where he was treated for knife wounds all over his body including his neck, the father-of-one has told The Sun how he reacted when the killers burst into the restaurant shouting “Islam, Islam” and “This is for Allah”.

“Like an idiot,” he told the newspaper, “I shouted back at them. I thought, ‘I need to take the p out of these b*s’.”

“I took a few steps towards them and said, ‘F* you, I’m Millwall’. So they started attacking me.”

Mr Larner added: “I stood in front of them trying to fight them off. Everyone else ran to the back.

“I was on my own against all three of them, that’s why I got hurt so much.

“It was just me, trying to grab them with my bare hands and hold on. I was swinging.

“I got stabbed and sliced eight times. They got me in my head, chest and both hands. There was blood everywhere.

“They were saying, ‘Islam, Islam!’. I said again, ‘F* you, I’m Millwall!’

“It was the worst thing I could have done as they carried on attacking me.

“Luckily, none of the blows were straight at me or I’d be dead.”

So we actually do need men like that in society.

stereotomy says

The urge for freedom of any sort has been systematically bred out of the human race for almost 10,000 years. Hypergamy is a great example. All the loyal women were murdered by being raped to death, while the conniving whores survived.

Men generally do what's good for women.

Women also generally do what's good for women.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Ah, I finally understand. Most "people" around me are just cattle and you can do whatever you want to them, as long as they aren't starving.

To be honest, this is exactly what SBF was saying. There's a quote from SBF which seems to be erased from the internet now. "People are stupid. Like really stupid." He uses this to justify ripping them off and to justify the system which will now ensure that absolutely nothing bad happens to him.

They aren't stupid, they just cannot imagine the level of immorality people can have and they cannot fathom the government will tolerate it.

Our society is breaking down. Supporting our government is detrimental. You're considered a fool if you do it.

I think we are in a societal breakdown. What I'm surprised is the lack of resistance to it.

Patrick says

A good example of a guy that would not have survived in historical China is Roy Larner, who would be considered just a soccer lout except for the fact that he fought back against Muslim terrorists armed with knives:

He would likely have been arrested for this in NYC.

https://www.gbnews.com/opinion/britain-is-becoming-cashless-and-that-s-a-very-dangerous-prospect-says-patrick-christys

We’ve seen government’s freeze peoples assets if they went against the lockdown nonsense. We’ve seen companies like PayPal do the same.

How long will it be before people get their assets frozen because they don’t go along with the LGBTQ+ agenda? Or if they say the ‘wrong thing’ about mass immigration?

We are hurtling towards a Chinese-style social credit system whereby good citizens are allowed to receive money and bad ones have it taken off them. It quite literally buys compliance, it buys silence, it buys obedience, it buys…control.

I don’t want to live in a society where you’re one wrong word away from being bankrupt. And I dare say you don’t either.

But this campaign isn’t just about stopping the asphyxiating hand of totalitarian tyranny, it’s also about standing up for the rights of the marginalised.

Cash is a lifeline for the elderly. Many older people struggle with online banking. ...

What about people in rural communities with poor broadband or mobile connectivity? Cash can keep struggling rural communities going, the cogs of the local economy turning, and going digital will put a big spoke in the wheel.

What about the homeless? They survive on people walking past and giving them a bit of spare change, maybe even a note if they’re lucky. If we’re all walking around with digital wallets then what happens to them? Do they just starve or freeze on the streets?

Patrick says

What about the homeless? They survive on people walking past and giving them a bit of spare change, maybe even a note if they’re lucky. If we’re all walking around with digital wallets then what happens to them?

How will people buy the dope that keeps the CIA going?

Oh damn, hadn't thought about them. Poor CIA, I guess they will have to do without that revenue.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/30/nigel-farage-banks-driving-cash-out-royal-commission-coutts/

Banks trying to drive cash out of society, warns Nigel Farage

Former Ukip leader says he would welcome Royal Commission into sector, with more than 1,000 bank accounts a day being shut

(paywall)

https://twitter.com/StanVoWales/status/1685902658580647936

Legal tender laws?

The way I understand it:

If you have a debt, the store has to take cash. Says so right on the cash, valid for all debts.

But they can refuse to take cash before you incur a debt.

So if you eat at a restaurant, you can in theory always pay cash at the end, because you have a debt.

But if you try to buy something at a cafe, they can refuse cash because you don't have the debt yet.

I always side with the business in this matter, they can transact however they want. If you don't like it, don't go there. We stopped eating at a couple restaurants that refuse to take cash.