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https://thepulse.one/2021/11/25/the-amish-took-a-different-approach-to-covid-it-appears-to-have-worked/

How Amish Communities Achieved “Herd Immunity” Without Higher Death Rates, Lockdowns, Masks, Or Vaccines

The Facts:
Amish communities of thousands in Lancaster, PA chose to not lockdown and instead went on with life in 2020.
Their communities were infected by COVID but death rates were not any higher than other places.
They lived life normally, did not wear masks and stuck to their values and culture. ...

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated. The Amish took an approach they thought of, felt good about, and that aligned with the community – an approach grounded in self reliance and self responsibility. This as opposed to taking orders from government.

The good news for the Amish in this community is that natural immunity has been shown to be very robust time and time again. With the latest data indicating it is the best protection against re-infection and severe disease.

This means we MUST drone the Amish. The embarrassment of such a control group must not be tolerated and cannot leak out any further.

https://www.rebelnews.com/amish_farm_under_threat_from_us_federal_govt_for_refusal_to_abandon_traditional_farming_practices

Amish farm under threat from U.S. federal govt for refusal to abandon traditional farming practices
Amos Miller, the farm's owner, contends that he’s preparing food the way God intended — but the United States government doesn’t see things that way.

I posted about that guy, and donated to his legal fund. Food is SO critical to good health.

Patrick says

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

richwicks says

Patrick says

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

Don't even have to be Amish. Get the flying fuck out of cities would and has been my tip. Preferably some place with 5k or less population if you still want some basic amenities, but non-big box amenities like a Walmart or Target. Those are best 20-30 minutes away one way. Pain for some, and I know users here dislike Amazon, but it's amazing in the country/rural. Actually 2k or under would be better population wise.

Many/most of your neighbors will have a gun(s). Generally crime free, again too risky for crime against other people not knowing if they have a gun or not out in the "sticks."

If you have to go into an office and it's a long drive, get a hybrid of some sort and music/podcast/audiobook on the drive. The one time I'll support getting a Tesla for the self drive feature (I know you're not suppose to use it that way). Never use public transportation unless you like drinking and/or sitting in piss and puke and paying for that experience. Potentially getting robbed.

With people adapting to zoom and video services like that, a vast majority of white collar workers have no need for an office. The real estate brokerage I managed was a 10x10 room in an office tower downtown Chicago. No one ever was there. We literally just had a box with the files required to be on site for an audit by IDFPR. Which did happen. Twice I think. I ran a tight ship though so it was a nothing burger.

Going to college in Chicago was fun. After that it was gay. I legit don't want to go to a major city again besides airports. I'm fucked though because the wife want to visit the East Coast #barf (sorry to our East Coaster users). She's trying to get me on board to do Germany for Spring Break (we have 10 days). #fuckthat. I'm a beach and beer guy when I travel. Or mountains and beer. Some of my best hikes involves 20-30lbs of beer on my back. Lava Lake in-between Big Sky and Bozeman was awesome. 12 beers, 6 White Claws and 4 Gatorades for the kids. ~1k hike up elevation wise over 2.5M. Fucking stupid, but fun.

You guys in urban areas need to get rural. You will thank me.

Hey, if you like beer, Germany really does have the best in the world. And some great mountains in the south.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

Patrick says

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

Don't even have to be Amish. Get the flying fuck out of cities would and has been my tip. Preferably some place with 5k or less population if you still want some basic amenities, but non-big box amenities like a Walmart or Target. Those are best 20-30 minutes away one way. Pain for some, and I know users here dislike Amazon, but it's amazing in the country/rural. Actually 2k or under would be better population w...

Plenty of mountains and beer, and even coast (north/east) in Germany

WookieMan says

You guys in urban areas need to get rural. You will thank me.

Depends on how rural it is. If it's below 1000 people, I know from experience that it's an end to your anonymity. If your wife has an affair in such a town, the last person in the entire town to know it will be you. There's constant gossip about everybody. I hated growing up there.

Minimum size for a white collar job is at least 10,000 people I would say.

Patrick says

Hey, if you like beer, Germany really does have the best in the world. And some great mountains in the south.

The problem is I drink shitty beer. Germany has no appeal to me. I can get to plenty of good mountains on a 3 hour flight from Chicago. East or west coast. Even though not tall the Smokies are beautiful and I can drive in the time it takes me to fly to Germany.

Montana, Wyoming, parts of Utah and Idaho are my jam. I'd rather go to Alaska. As far away from a major city as I can be. A touch difficult in Germany and Europe in general is my understanding. As a history major I have no interest in European history or museums. I don't do public transportation. Maybe a river cruise? Brother in law will be doing his thing though, so not sure that's possible. 3 kids as well. It has no appeal to me at all.

Mediterranean countries maybe. Greece for sure, maybe Spain. I generally don't like people, but most Europeans, from Europeans I've encountered are pure shit and ass holes. At least ones that travel. Haven't been, but I lean Southeast Asia and Australia/NZ. Southern Pacific basically in that hemisphere (not Africa).

Real Ale, not Lagers. Basic beer is stupid easy. Make a couple of ready-made batches from malt, then one or two partial mash, then you're good to make full mash beer. I got the latter down on my first try, though it's been a while.

WookieMan says

The problem is I drink shitty beer.

This will ruin you, but go to literally any brewery you can find and buy a growler. You'll be done with shitty beer. I can drink that on hot days, but it's really horrible beer.

WookieMan says

Mediterranean countries maybe. Greece for sure, maybe Spain. I generally don't like people, but most Europeans, from Europeans I've encountered are pure shit and ass holes.

Be nice anyhow.

I grew up in the pigfuckville nowhere. MY experience is that if you're in nowheresville, if you're not an asshole you're treated well, but this is limited to the United States. I loved visiting small towns all over the nation - as long as I wasn't "what a craphole you live in, city X is so much better!" and I instead said stuff like "this is such a charming town. It's gorgeous, everybody is so nice" blah blah blah, I had a great time.

I wasn't being ironic or disingenuous either, they really were nice towns, and everybody was polite, and it was charming. Appreciate what is around you. These are people that rejected big city living - they aren't wrong - however, it's very different. Where I live now, I can walk 3 minutes and go to a major food store, and 3 small stores that sell real food, and 2 fast food crapholes, 4 REAL food places, and I'm not in a metropolitan area. That convenience ends in the woods.

I do love the variety of the United States. Lived in 5 states. We still have unique cultures, or did, 20 years ago. It may have changed considerably, but little places, they kind of stick.

WookieMan says

The problem is I drink shitty beer.

You should really do something about that. Don't have to go to Germany to get German beer. Paulner is pretty common, and there's a few other breweries from there with pretty good distribution.

AmericanKulak says

Real Ale, not Lagers.

Hey, nothing wrong with good(micro-brew) lagers. Especially this time of year. It's a style that was mostly ignored by the craft beer industry until about five years ago. I prefer wild yeast sours, but I'll go for a good lager when I can find it.

One that's starting to become rare now days is a bitter IPA. Everything is cloudy and floral. I actually bought a six pack of Stone IPA for the first time in five years just to get something bitter.

NuttBoxer says

You should really do something about that.

I appreciated the advice. I've drank over probably 800 varieties of beer. My buddy and I would each grab a 6 pack, once or twice a week in my younger years. We'd share them and try them out (4 a week for roughly 2 years). We'd cut the cardboard and pin it to the wall. We eventually filled a 15x8' wall with 6 pack cardboard.

He actually through this found out he can't drink he favorite beer. Wheat/glutton or whatever allergy. I don't "know" beer or claim to be an expert, but I've tried almost everything that is marketable on a national and local scale.

I only say shitty beer too because people are snobs about it. I also need to stick with light beer in all honesty. I can have 3-4 of those and feel fine the next day, but heavy beers I feel like shit, even if I like the taste.

WookieMan says

He actually through this found out he can't drink he favorite beer. Wheat/glutton or whatever allergy.

I've seen gluten free beer.

WookieMan says

I only say shitty beer too because people are snobs about it. I also need to stick with light beer in all honesty. I can have 3-4 of those and feel fine the next day, but heavy beers I feel like shit, even if I like the taste.

I used to drink Russian Imperial Stouts when I was younger, can't do it anymore. I mentioned sours, they're low on sugar, and lower on alcohol. Nothing wrong with sticking to what you enjoy, and what doesn't mess you up. Just saying there's so many small brewers who make quality beer, including lighter and lower alcohol varieties, that we should never shut ourselves off from a new experience.

One of the best beers I've ever had was around 3%.

NuttBoxer says

Don't have to go to Germany to get German beer.

Sadly, they pasteurize what they export, which is like pasteurizing a delicate flower. Just kills it.

Augustiner Edelstoff... unfortunately it gets rarely exported from Germany. But I leave crazy California anyway

https://www.eutimes.net/2023/05/the-amish-rejected-covid-vaccines-lockdowns-and-masks-the-result-30x-less-deaths/

Amish communities rejected Covid vaccines, refused to wear masks, and went about their normal daily activities while the rest of America was turned upside-down.

According to the CDC and mainstream media, the Amish were set to suffer from excess death due to Covid. In reality, the exact opposite happened.

The mainstream media will not touch this story because it completely dismantles the entire establishment narrative. It shows that all the COVID interventions were completely unnecessary.

While mainstream America was suffering through lockdowns, school closures and mask-related madness, the Amish returned to normal in May 2020. Read that again.

The Amish achieved herd immunity before the vaccines were even available.

Even if the vaccine worked and was safe, there was simply no reason for them to take the vaccine because 90% had already been infected in 2020. Taking a vaccine after you’ve already got natural immunity is nonsensical and counterproductive. However, in the US, we were told to get the vaccine even if we recovered from COVID. Many people lost their livelihoods if they did not comply. ...

This all happened because voices of reason were silenced. Free speech, debate, etc. was tossed out the window. Any doctor who stood against the “consensus” was crushed into oblivion.

The leaders of America need to stop listening to the people they trusted, and start listening to the people they labeled “misinformation spreaders.” They got it completely backwards.

You should never trust the CDC, mainstream media, or members of Congress again until they admit their mistakes, vow never to support censorship again, and always listen to people on both sides of an issue before making a decision.

The Amish all died from Covid. Everybody knows that. They have joined Tiffany Dover in the irreconcilable void.

Obligatory:
Unrated scene from the movie "Sex Drive" - not in the normal version of this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz40dXTASDA

zzyzzx says

Obligatory:
Unrated scene from the movie "Sex Drive" - not in the normal version of this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz40dXTASDA

Hah! I forgot about that film. Was a good drunk raunchy time with the boys many years ago.

The answer is obvious though. It is clear that the Amish are behind COVID and the vaccine. Their depopulation and Amishification plan is full speed ahead.

DhammaStep says

The answer is obvious though. It is clear that the Amish are behind COVID and the vaccine. Their depopulation and Amishification plan is full speed ahead.

As an engineer, I don't know if it would be that awful to be Amish.

We created all this tech, and I don't know if it works. The whole point was so everybody could be on the same playing field of knowledge, and there's just endless bullshit and it takes a LOT OF TIME, to sort out the bullshit from the information.

And the playing field isn't even either. Try to make a video about global warming is bullshit on youtube. Good luck.

I’m going to start the new Amish but I’m going to pause technology at 1999.

We had cell phones, computers, simple internet, video stores where you could rent any movie. Great music that you owned on cds that you bought. Fight club came out.

No social media, pornhub, ai, or transgenders. People were cool with gays, but no pride month.

1999 was the last good year.

pudil says

1999 was the last good year.

In 2035, you may be writing:

"2025 was the last good year. No 15-minute cities and people could actually own cars and drive anywhere at will. Pedophilia was illegal and not celebrated as part of Pride Month. We didn't have a social credit score. People were free to date who they choose without social credit downgrades for refusing a transgender, gay or someone outside their race. Women had separate shower and bath facilities."

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/the-amish-died-of-covid-at-a-rate

So, you look at the Amish. I did the calculation. Let’s say there were five Amish people — because people say, I think there were maybe a few, or maybe there were five Amish people. And then I asked them, okay, can you name them? And nobody can name them.

But let’s say that we could name them — and there were five Amish people who died. That means the Amish died at a rate 90 times lower than the infection fatality rate of the United States of America. The Amish died at 90 times lower rate from COVID than America — than the rest of America.

Now, how is that possible? It’s possible because the Amish aren’t vaccinated. And because the Amish didn’t follow a single guideline of the CDC. They did not lock down. They did not mask. They did not social distance, They did not vaccinate, and there were no mandates in the Amish community to get vaccinated. They basically ignored every single guideline that the CDC gave us. Ignoring those guidelines meant a death rate 90 times lower than the rest of America.

So you talk about taking guidance from the WHO? Why don’t we copy what works? In fact, wouldn’t it be great to say in the next pandemic that Pennsylvania will take guidance from the Amish instead of the WHO? And you will be much, much better off.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/amish-officially-declared-worlds-healthiest-children-after-rejecting-big-pharma-vaccines/

Many of us noticed early in the pandemic the lack of homeless deaths. It was pretty obvious that this disease could not be too dangerous if the homeless, often of poor health with little healthcare, weren't dying en masse.

True! I saw for myself that the SF homeless were doing fine all through the "pandemic". So it wasn't really a pandemic at all. It was bullshit used to justify mail-in ballots and to make money.

https://x.com/NationalFile/status/1860459115962565090

Was parked in a rural big box store parking lot in Wisconsin. There were 1 Amish buggy there. Saw an Amish man walk up to me, it was summer and my window was rolled down. He asked me, would you like to buy cucumbers. He had 3 in his hand. I said, yes and gave him 3 dollars. He says, no, that's too much and takes 2. This was 15 years back. I respect them and their culture.

https://tdefender.substack.com/p/supreme-court-win-religious-exemptions-new-york-vaccine-mandate-schools

The U.S. Supreme Court today reversed a lower court decision against a group of Amish parents and school leaders who challenged the state of New York’s vaccine mandates for schools, ruling that the appeals court must reconsider the case.

Today’s ruling is a win for health and religious freedom advocates — one that could have implications for other states that don’t allow religious exemptions from school vaccine mandates, attorneys said.

Attorney Sujata Gibson told The Defender today’s Supreme Court decision is “checkmate” for states that refuse to accept religious exemptions. “It means we’re almost certainly getting the religious exemption back, not only in New York, but across the country,” Gibson said.

Today’s decision stems from a lawsuit filed on June 2, 2023, against the New York State Department of Health and New York State Education Department, alleging they violated the U.S. Constitution by preventing the plaintiffs from exercising their religion.

Attorney Aaron Siri filed the suit on June 2, 2023, seeking injunctive relief.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/shot-showdown-wednesday-december

💉 Yesterday, far-left Slate Magazine ran a story with the distraught headline, “The Supreme Court Just Gave Anti-Vax Parents an Alarming Win. For everyone who’s been waiting impatiently for the Supreme Court to weigh in on vaccines— well, it’s beginning. ...

Slate called the Court’s terse, procedural order —which didn’t actually rule onanything— “incredibly alarming,” “reckless,” “dangerous,” “a public health catastrophe,” and literally ten thousand times worse than Hitler on his grumpiest day.

The case before the Court on Monday was Miller v. McDonald, a lawsuit brought by parents of several New York schoolchildren and three Amish schools. It challenged a 2019 New York law that deleted all religious exemptions to school vaccine requirements, which in New York extend to private and parochial schools as well as public schools. (Recently, New York fined the Amish schools about $40,000 each for a single day’s defiance of the vaccine mandates.)

The plaintiffs, unsurprisingly, argued that the state’s non-exemptible vaccine mandates violated their First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion.

💉 The federal district court denied the plaintiffs’ claims, finding that the state did not trample their religious freedoms, and the mandates were necessary to achieve “herd immunity” (which, by the way, is a utilitarian synonym for “net benefit;” see above). The Second Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the district court, and the plaintiffs appealed to the Supreme Court.

On Monday, the Supreme Court issued a two-sentence order, written by Justice Alito, that vacated the Second Circuit’s decision and sent the case back down to the original district court along with an instruction to re-consider the New York law in light of an earlier decision: a terrific case that issued only a few months ago in June, captioned Mahmoud v. Taylor. ...

💉 The Mahmoud case —also written by Justice Alito (for the majority)— held that public school parents have a constitutional right to exempt their children from exposure to LGBTQ+ and trans materials. ...

Slate —not at all prone to hysterical overreaction— complained the Mahmoud decision was “destabilizing” to public education because it “gave” religious parents “veto power” over offensive curriculum that “they disliked.” But Justice Alito took an extremely broad view of parents’ freedom “to direct the religious upbringing of their children.”

So you can imagine how spooked Slate that Justice Alito told the lower court to apply Mahmoud to the vaccine case. “If Mahmoud applies to immunization mandates,” Slate wailed, “as the court implied it does—then parents may have a constitutional right to send their children to any school, public or private, without having them vaccinated.”

Oh, no! Not that! Not personal choice about medical interventions!

It’s a jab-apocalypse.

💉 Forty-six states offer some degree of religious exemption to school vaccine mandates, with varying levels of requirements to qualify. In Florida, for instance, parents just check a box on a form, which is available online. (They need only do it once per child, forever.) Only four states, including New York and California, ban religious exemptions entirely, and life is flat miserable for many parents and children in those states.

Two painful types of vaccine mandates survived the pandemic. One is this school mandate, especially in the four defiant states. The other is the healthcare mandate, which requires hospital and nursing home staff to get annual flu and covid shots.

Well, guess what?

Also on Monday, the Supreme Court asked the DOJ to weigh in on a case brought by nurses challenging New York’s similar covid jab requirement for healthcare workers, which also lacks any religious exemption.

It appears the Supreme Court is considering all vaccine mandates, not just school ones.

There are more 9-0 Supreme Court decisions that uphold the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion than any other issue; maybe even more than all the other 9-0 decisions combined.

So, in one week, we have:

The FDA is investigating covid jab deaths in kids and adults, shocking the media;

The CDER is pressuring makers of RSV shots designed for infants for more safety data, which is apparently difficult for them to easily provide; and

The Supreme Court is signaling it will likely confirm religious-based vaccine exemptions for both kids and adults throughout the country.

Look how far we’ve come! Not so long ago, the Supreme Court would have, like Justice Jackson cried, deferred to “credentialled experts” in the so-called sciences. But they’re not deferring now, Jack.

The pseudo-scientific jab defenders —the white-coat pretenders— and their pharma allies are finally being swamped by a tsunami of reason and common sense.