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Patrick says

So maybe their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.

Not the "expert class" but rather the "credentialed class." They are not necessarily experts.

True, that's what I meant.

Then it seems it's by no mistake that all this vaccine lunacy came on the heels of the trump presidency - its almost as if this credentialed class were 'primed' or pre-conditioned to respond this way given the manner in which trump could "see right through" them. These minions can go expert class themselves right off a cliff..

Another theory:

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/why-covid-is-catnip-for-karens

the cure for not being able to manage your own emotional life is to prevent everyone else from having a life too.

this devolves into the adoption of performative ritual to signal which class you are in and to facilitate the monstrous ethical inversion of elevating bullying and dominating others “for their own good” to not just a virtue but a duty.

you get to avoid anxiety AND justify your basest desires to be in control (because you have generally felt out of control). that’s potent psychological liquor. is it any wonder they are drunk on it and have, perhaps, become outright alcoholics, addicted and dependent on this emotional firewater to get through the day?

the endlessly insecure have finally found their happy place.

it’s catnip for karens.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/how-journalism-abandoned-the-working

I think these are all pieces of the puzzle. But there’s another real reason that, however unconscious, is certainly also at play, and it’s this: Wokeness perpetuates the economic interests of affluent white liberals. I believe that many of them truly do wish to live in a more equitable society, but today’s liberal elites are also governed by a competing commitment: their belief in meritocracy, or the fiction that their status was earned by their intelligence and talents. Today’s meritocratic elites subscribe to the view that not only wealth but also political power should be the province of the highly educated. Still, liberals see themselves as compassionate and progressive. And perhaps unconsciously, they sought a way to reconcile the inequality that their meritocratic status produces with the compassionate emotions they feel toward the less fortunate. They needed a way to be perpetually on what they saw as the right side of history without having to disrupt what was right for them and their children.

A moral panic around race was the perfect solution: It took the guilt that they should have felt around their economic good fortune and political power— which they could have shared with the less fortunate had they cared to—and displaced it onto their whiteness, an immutable characteristic that they could do absolutely nothing to change. ...

They took a no doubt (?) genuine abhorrence for the truly heinous ways black Americans have been treated historically—and, in some cases, continue to be treated—and instead of seeing in it a call to arms to create a genuinely equal society, they used it as an excuse to withdraw from the common good and the social contract, rebranding the problem of racism to fit the solution that would most benefit them. In the process, they demonized America itself, deplatforming the working class (of all races) while protecting their own status. ...

In other words, wokeness provided the perfect ideology for affluent, liberal whites who didn’t truly want systemic change if it meant their children would have to sacrifice their own status, but who still wanted to feel like the heroes of a story about social justice, who still wanted to feel vastly superior to their conservative and even slightly less radical friends. They took a no doubt genuine abhorrence for the truly heinous ways black Americans have been treated historically—and, in some cases, continue to be treated—and instead of seeing in it a call to arms to create a genuinely equal society, they used it as an excuse to withdraw from the common good and the social contract, rebranding the problem of racism to fit the solution that would most benefit them. In the process, they demonized America itself, deplatforming the working class (of all races) while protecting their own status.

I think vaxxing and wokeness are two sides of the same coin, a self-congratulatory self-proclaimed moral superiority.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/01/the-elites-are-laughing-in-our-faces/

Across the West, green thinking has been embraced by virtually every wing of the establishment, from the political elites to the media class, from the educational realm to the world of popular culture.

And it isn’t hard to see why. It’s the perfect ideology for our at-sea elites. It allows them to magic up a sense of urgent moral purpose – they’re saving the planet, no less! It lends itself beautifully, or, rather, terrifyingly, to the project of social engineering: lower your horizons, learn to live with less, reconceive of yourself as a destructive creature in need of top-down control rather than a creative being who might help to push humanity forward. It naturalises the limitations of capitalism, encouraging people to make their peace with austerity and downturn on the basis that economic growth is a bad, nature-exploiting idea. And it is a very difficult ideology to challenge. The marshalling of The Science to buoy up this ruling-class ideology means that anyone who questions it – anyone who demands more growth, more ambition, a bigger human footprint – can swiftly be written off as an anti-scientific scourge, as a ‘denier’ of the revealed truths of climatology. Its social engineering, its social control and its strict, censorious management of social aspirations are what make the green ideology so attractive to the new elites.

Add one more corporate-liberal tenet: being eco-friendly and human-unfriendly.

eco = vaxx = wokeness

All strategies by the powerful to maintain and increase their own power at the expense of everyone else.

As I personally know a number of people who did take the shot, I'd like to posit that the simplest explanation is the most likely. People who take the covid shot don't understand preventative health. They only know treatment. They've never taken personal responsibility for their health. They are irresponsible and lazy(when it comes to health), as they want miracle cures, not real prevention, which always requires a lot of time and effort.

And the above is not a deviation. Their acceptance of the covid shot is the logical conclusion of the primary trend that has always governed their health decisions. If you take this view, everything makes perfect sense. But if you attempt to reason this behavior as a deviation from their norm, you'll always be flabbergasted.

If you go to a third world country, and see people in their 70's getting around better than people in their 50's here. Then you realize, they have never been to a Doctor in their lives.
You begin to realize, seeking a cure, is often more deadly than taking your lumps, and licking your wounds.

There is no doubt in my mind, that many people go to see a Doctor over a pain, because they slept wrong, or they had gas(gas can create pains that can make you think you have anything from Cancer, to a Bad Heart). In this day and age where Doctors will jump on Google, to find the best treatment. Perfectly fine people end up on medication that makes them very sick.

When the pandemic first broke and the Elderly were kept from seeing their Doctors. My Sister said, it was the best my Mom looked and felt in 10 years. The Doctor had my mom on a hand bag full of meds. She was doing OK until they forced the Clot Shot on her.

Tenpoundbass says

When the pandemic first broke and the Elderly were kept from seeing their Doctors. My Sister said, it was the best my Mom looked and felt in 10 years. The Doctor had my mom on a hand bag full of meds. She was doing OK until they forced the Clot Shot on her.

My grandmother was sharp as a tack until my parents convinced her to see a doctor, because she would periodically lie down feeling exhausted. The conclusion was that she was having heart problems - so she was put on a ton of medications, and slowly lost her mind.

20 years later, she broke her hip, and was removed from the medications, and she returned to her original mental acuity and died shortly after.

I will never take daily medications.

It's great being woken up - or based firmly - by all the bullshit.

If it ain't generic and been around for 30+ years, fuck it. Even then pursue all avenues to avoid medication.Patrick says

I think these are all pieces of the puzzle. But there’s another real reason that, however unconscious, is certainly also at play, and it’s this: Wokeness perpetuates the economic interests of affluent white liberals. I believe that many of them truly do wish to live in a more equitable society, but today’s liberal elites are also governed by a competing commitment: their belief in meritocracy, or the fiction that their status was earned by their intelligence and talents. Today’s meritocratic elites subscribe to the view that not only wealth but also political power should be the province of the highly educated. Still, liberals see themselves as compassionate and progressive. And perhaps unconsciously, they sought a way to reconcile the inequality that their meritocratic status produces with the compassionate emotions they feel toward the less fortunate. They needed a way to be perpetually on what they saw as the right side of history without having to disrupt what was right for the...

I checked out a NeverTrump site the other day, run by an ex-Army Officer who teaches at a Military College, the guy is exactly this, but calls himself a "Real Conservative". He doesn't give a shit about anything but Geopolitics. Not our skyrocketing debt, not the Anti-democratic forced government promotion of Sexual Deviants, not even taxes.

His readership seems to encapsulate the entire Bourgeois Bohemian/Class X/Your Term Here types who insist their Management is absolutely necessary, Third Worlders are Precious, but the American Working Class is Garbage (probably because the latter views them with suspicion if not contempt).

Patrick says

So maybe their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.

It's the silver or the bullet. Grants dry up without compliance, credit is withheld, liquidity is stanched. Or, you can drop your moral tone into the sociopathic gutter for bribes, and keep your credit, liquidity, grants and loans.

The crooked world banksters have shown how shallow moral rectitude is, which is what they rely on it for subversion. Toss in some blackmail where available for extra spiciness. It's all ritualized contempt for the victims. The pointy head elites are still victims, even if they fall back on their solipsism and fool themselves that they have a place at the table. They just don't see that they don't as they drop their ethics and morals in exchange for keeping nominal status and lifestyle.

The stewardship of these huge monies has fallen into the hands of insane, organized, democidal and genocidal dynastic criminals. These stewards must be removed and replaced with ethical persons again to prevent their hundreds of years of programmed wars from destroying humanity. Just like criminal governments, everything they touch has become cursed.

Maybe the division between vaxxer and the anti-mandate crowd is a deliberate part of a color revolution:




https://barryclark.info/color-revolutions-explained/

College was created in order to artificially produce a caste system.

Many people with degrees are doctors who are complete idiots who only passed because they cheated and had connections for admission. This is not bs. lol

This is the truth.

Many smart people who would actually make the best nuero-surgeon are actually selling drugs or doing less than savory stuff to produce money....

Truth is stranger than fiction....

richwicks says

I will never take daily medications.

Amen. I'll take vitamins and some other natural stuff, but I won't even touch a pain killer pill for something like a nasty headache. Didn't take it with a broken heel. Doc was trying to force it on me hard. He had the prescription sent over even though I said no and wouldn't something like Tylenol III or whatever it is. I'm the fucking customer, I'll decide what goes into my body. I can handle pain.

The medical field has people convinced they're fixing you. Nope. They're just masking what your body is trying to tell you to keep you sick. Mental health is the worst for adults and kids. No one tries to figure out the issue. They just toss a pill your way and you're high essentially. You're then addicted to said pill. Jordan Peterson comes to mind. I've met with multiple individuals that got hooked on Benzo's. It fucks people up long term. Something that was "supposed" to help.

WookieMan says

The medical field has people convinced they're fixing you. Nope. They're just masking what your body is trying to tell you to keep you sick. Mental health is the worst for adults and kids. No one tries to figure out the issue.

I'm in complete agreement with this. People who "are depressed" and take a pill for a it, have the same fucking problem they had to begin with that was making them depressed, except now, they're never going to fix the problem because the damned pill masks it.

Patrick says

The funding of universities depends entirely on the demand for their degrees, which they control. Their biggest horror would be a system where anyone could take tests to prove competence in a subject without paying for the years of classes and subjecting themselves to obedience to professors.

The cower-in-place has put the universities in a very uncomfortable position, as it shows that the exorbitant tuition is paying for something that could be rolled out to millions of people via Zoom — you're not paying for those 5-person seminars with a Nobel laureate professor. Additionally, with all the online cheating, the degrees are even more suspect than usual.

I think the biggest benefit of an undergraduate degree from a top-tier university is that it shows the person was capable of getting in. Graduating is the easy part. Even if the person got in through political or financial connections, that would still be a person you might want to hire and promote just for their political or financial connections!

Unfortunately, the admissions practices of these schools has greatly deteriorated over the last few decades such that there's no guarantee a graduate has any desirable qualities.

For the sake of the next generation of students, I hope there's a huge shakeup in higher education.

explaining the psychology of vaxxers

Quite a few people believe the lies from Fauci and the Biden cabal as broadcast by the fake-news media. Here are a bunch of things they might believe that are simply not true:

• The "vaccines" are just like other vaccines and so quantifying and qualifying them can run on similar testing and metrics. We have 100 years of experience with vaccines!
  
• They have been found "safe and effective" after thorough testing (see first bullet).
  
• Of the vaccines with problems that snuck through testing, those problems were generally found within a few months; vaccines not showing problems within the first few months haven't been found to have long term problems. Therefore, this set of "vaccines" is safe. (see first bullet)
  
• We can get everyone vaxxed and so wipe the virus off the face of the earth and be done with it forever.
  
• There are no other remedies available, so it's vaxx or death.
  
• Your odds of dying if unvaxxed are high.
  
• The unvaxxed are spreading it to the vaxxed.
  
• Since children aren't (yet) cleared for getting vaxxed, you're killing the children if you aren't vaxxed!
  

SunnyvaleCA says

explaining the psychology of vaxxers

Quite a few people believe the lies from Fauci and the Biden cabal as broadcast by the fake-news media. Here are a bunch of things they might believe that are simply not true:

• The "vaccines" are just like other vaccines and so quantifying and qualifying them can run on similar testing and metrics. We have 100 years of experience with vaccines!
  
• They have been found "safe and effective" after thorough testing (see first bullet).
  
• Of the vaccines with problems that snuck through testing, those problems were generally found within a few months; vaccines not showing problems within the first few months haven't been found to have long term problems. Therefore, this set of "vaccines" is safe. (see first bullet)
  
• We can get everyone vaxxed and so wipe the virus off the face of the earth and be done with it forever.
  
• There are no other remedies available, so it's vaxx or death...

Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation. and they readily regurgitate the 99% of hospitalized patients are unjabbed lie, along with they're clogging up the icus and killing people who need other treatments. Despicable

mell says

Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation.

There's a few good boomers, I've met two.

But like you, I have experienced no end of frustration with that generation. X will clean up the shit they made. I still have hope with my generation. We might be the next Silent Generation or even the next Greatest Generation. The "greatest generation" went to WWII - we're in a war now, but it's more covert. I think we'll win.

Our war, and you may disagree with me, is with the propaganda and criminality of our government, and more generally "the system". I think we're going to win. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, well let the sun shine..

richwicks says

mell says

Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation.

There's a few good boomers, I've met two.

But like you, I have experienced no end of frustration with that generation. X will clean up the shit they made. I still have hope with my generation. We might be the next Silent Generation or even the next Greatest Generation. The "greatest generation" went to WWII - we're in a war now, but it's more covert. I think we'll win.

Our war, and you may disagree with me, is with the propaganda and criminality of our government, and more generally "the system". I think we're going to win. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, well let the sun shine..

I like your positivity. Hope you're right.

richwicks says

I'm in complete agreement with this. People who "are depressed" and take a pill for a it, have the same fucking problem they had to begin with that was making them depressed, except now, they're never going to fix the problem because the damned pill masks it.

My analogy was always going to the Doctor with a tack in your ass and he prescribes you a pain killer.
You need to gather your wits and take the damn tack outta your butt.

I'm now convinced that most of "education" and "medicine" is a scam.

Hard science or engineering is decent education. Maybe also if you want to learn Greek and Latin and study the classics. Aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Similar for medicine. If you get shot, you need an emergency room. And they might be able to help with cancer, or might not. Again, aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Patrick says

I'm now convinced that most of "education" and "medicine" is a scam.

Hard science or engineering is decent education. Maybe also if you want to learn Greek and Latin and study the classics. Aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Similar for medicine. If you get shot, you need an emergency room. And they might be able to help with cancer, or might not. Again, aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Good health starts at the mouth. Also, too many people run to an expert instead of using common sense. I've avoided 2 surgeries over the years. I ruptured my c4-c5 vertebrae and went to a chiropractor even though the surgeon said I needed surgery. Podiatrist said I needed surgery for plantar fasciitis. I found a VERY old shoe store and a VERY old shoe salesman told me what shoes to buy. At the counter, he hand cut, with scissors, an insert and kept cutting it until I said it felt comfortable. Healed in less than 2 weeks for the price of a pair of shoes for $150.

Patrick says

Similar for medicine. If you get shot, you need an emergency room. And they might be able to help with cancer, or might not. Again, aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Modern medicine, properly applied can aid in healing from burns, broken bones, poisonings, bacterial and parasitic infections certain cancers, and many more things including pain control even in terminal cancers and other illnesses. But you are right, there are a lot of scams used by scammers under the guise of medicine. Tony Fauci is a master of such scams, and worse than that he suppresses effective medicine in favor of expensive scam “medicine” more likely to harm than help yet guaranteeing his master’s profits.

Patrick says

I'm now convinced that most of "education" and "medicine" is a scam.

Hard science or engineering is decent education. Maybe also if you want to learn Greek and Latin and study the classics. Aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Similar for medicine. If you get shot, you need an emergency room. And they might be able to help with cancer, or might not. Again, aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

The classics are underrated. The 19th was probably the greatest time of discovery in the history of Humanity, and it was all driven by guys who were slapped on the wrist for not declaiming Greek fast enough. Survived for a while - Monty Python referenced it in life of Brian where he has to write the correct Latin tenses all night long.

I'm starting to get the vibe that ancient generic drugs from the mid-century have far more utility than suspected - or was deliberately suppressed.

I'm developing an interest in 19th Century/Early 20th Century books written for the literate layman in Chemistry and Medicine.

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/why-do-liberals-support-lockdowns

Unlike their opportunistic Democrat candidates, the liberal rank and file’s affinity for crisis is also rooted in their high personal baseline levels of fear, anxiety and depression. Liberals comprise the vast majority of psychotherapists’ clientele. The agoraphobic lockdown was sweet sorrow for many liberals. Those who didn’t get juiced up unemployment payments could “work remotely” on their laptops and, thus, avoid other humans. Many Liberals love “The People.” But not people.

Crisis-loving liberals’ perceptions of Coronavirus risk are very far removed from reality. As one of many examples, Bill Maher referred to a Gallup poll showing that 41 percent of Democrats believe that unvaccinated people have more than a 50 percent risk of hospitalization. The risk is actually “0.89%,” i.e., less than one percent. Democrats have wildly overstated risk throughout.

Third, liberals are ideologically monolithic. They don’t think independently or critically. They display rainbow lawn signs setting forth their simplistic, euphemistic rainbow bullet point creed. Their tribe tolerates no dissent. No matter how ridiculous a notion a liberal influencer presents, liberal individuals decline to disagree because they fear that others won’t like, and will negatively label, them. Hence, groupthinking liberals compliantly bought the Covid fear narrative.

Democrats get their skewed data, panic porn and worldviews from such plainly biased, liberal subscriber-funded sources as: NPR, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and WaPo. Instead of objective journalism, these outlets give liberal consumers the narrative that these funders subsidize. Mainstream, Pharma ad-funded media outlets have also sown fear and promoted the vaxx scam. Panic builds ratings. And Pharma ads sell more drugs. These are vicious cycles of systemic misinformation.

Fourth, In the main, liberals go to college and major in subjects like Communications, Anthropology, Art History, English, Psychology or Gender Studies. Most took poquito hard science, and few read science books and/or spend time in, or consider, nature. Hence, they don’t know how ubiquitous and tiny microbes are. If they did, they might never have touched dirt, danced, hugged or kissed (ew!) anyone, ridden public transit, played sports, eaten in restaurants or cleaned their cats’ “litterboxes.” Public restrooms would traumatize them.

Most liberals don’t know what—or how wildly inaccurate—a PCR test is. They know nothing about the health effects of baseline systemic inflammation or C-reactive protein. Nor do they do know about how healthy gut microbiomes strengthen immunity. If they’ve heard of Ivermectin, liberals don’t know of its global human use or its efficacy; they dismiss it as “horse paste” because they heard Jimmy Kimmel smugly say so, while Colbert presented a dork-isimo dancing “vaccine” team.

Liberals have no clue about how irretrievably complex biological systems are or how one intervention inevitably causes multiple effects, many of which are neither predictable nor immediately apparent. Natural immunity and systems ecology are, to them, alien concepts. Instead, liberals naively, blindly trust bureaucrats, counterproductive lockdowns, political theater masks and magical injections. Somehow, medical reductionism connotes sophistication. Liberals think we all owe our survival to mega-hospitals, drugs, people in white coats and medical insurance.

Fifth, liberals de-emphasize personal responsibility, in general, and specifically its importance in maintaining health. Far more consequential than a Covid epidemic, America has had a decades-long obesity epidemic. 78% of those who died with Covid have been overweight. Liberals fail to acknowledge this elephant in the Covid room. Liberal Karens have repeatedly and naively blamed Trump and the unmasked and unvaxxed for the “pandemic.” But when, during the past twenty months, has any Democrat told any fat person—except Trump—that they should lose weight?

Sixth, liberals also love top/down, centralized federal control by media-anointed “experts.” But these experts have been wrong at every turn for the past 20 months. Liberals fell hook, line and sinker for “Two weeks to flatten the curve,” “We’re all in this together” and every other serial, bureaucrat-sponsored, propagandistic Coronavirus lie. Because they’ve been sloganeered into submission, they still think masks and vaccines “stop the spread” and “prevent infection.” It’s all very Soviet. That’s not a compliment.

Seventh, liberals are virtue signalers, but not virtuous. They vocally support school integration and want to control public school curricula, but send their kids to de facto segregated, often private, schools. They support higher taxes, but hire accountants to shelter their income. They support releasing criminals without bail, but live in places where street crime is unlikely. They fear climate change but drive a lot and fly frequently, often in private jets. They want you to stay home, mask up and take an experimental shot—no, an endless series of shots—because they naively think this will make a virus crawl into a corner and die.

Both Democrat politicians and their adherents should be deeply ashamed of the profound and lasting harm that their opportunistic and fearful tribal Coronavirus overreaction has caused. None of it has saved any lives.

Patrick says

Democrats get their skewed data, panic porn and worldviews from such plainly biased, liberal subscriber-funded sources as: NPR, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and WaPo. Instead of objective journalism, these outlets give liberal consumers the narrative that these funders subsidize

I get annoyed with statements like these where it implies "the other side" has a problem. There is no objective journalism at all. Whenever you are listening to "news" you have to be hyper aware that they might be wrong (smaller news sources) or they may be actively lying to you (all mainstream news media).

Patrick says

Fourth, In the main, liberals go to college and major in subjects like Communications, Anthropology, Art History, English, Psychology or Gender Studies. Most took poquito hard science, and few read science books and/or spend time in, or consider, nature.

This is also a mistake. In Silicon Valley, besides people I've met through here, I know TWO PEOPLE that question this pandemic in this area. We're filled with science dorks.

richwicks says

This is also a mistake. In Silicon Valley, besides people I've met through here, I know TWO PEOPLE that question this pandemic in this area. We're filled with science dorks.

Culture.

Their culture requires adherence to "The Science" aka Scientism.

The best you can hope for is if somehow irrefutable proof (and in abundance) comes out linking the Vax to rare diseases on top of not working very well at all, they will grudgingly say the Death Comet or the Final Singularity will come later. But they will still insist the best evidence was to take the vax and learn nothing about open debate and questioning Expert Authority from the affair.

In their world, NPR and PBS and WaPo are holy beacons of fair minded, critical thought and enlightenment, and Fox News is the far right. Bannon is a fuckin' Nazi, and Alex Jones is a combination of Velikhovsky and Hitler combined.

CaptainHorsePaste says

In their world, NPR and PBS and WaPo are holy beacons of fair minded, critical thought and enlightenment, and Fox News is the far right. Bannon is a fuckin' Nazi, and Alex Jones is a combination of Velikhovsky and Hitler combined.

I still contend that PBS and NPR were pretty fair minded news sources, 30 years ago. Fox News showed their true colors when they promoted the weapons of mass destruction program hoax.

Here's some critical thinking - Alex Jones basically sells vitamins and water filters - how did he become a multimillionaire doing that? I think he's controlled opposition.

I don't know what the Washington Post USED to be like, but today, it's complete propaganda.

richwicks says

CaptainHorsePaste says

In their world, NPR and PBS and WaPo are holy beacons of fair minded, critical thought and enlightenment, and Fox News is the far right. Bannon is a fuckin' Nazi, and Alex Jones is a combination of Velikhovsky and Hitler combined.

I still contend that PBS and NPR were pretty fair minded news sources, 30 years ago. Fox News showed their true colors when they promoted the weapons of mass destruction program hoax.

Here's some critical thinking - Alex Jones basically sells vitamins and water filters - how did he become a multimillionaire doing that? I think he's controlled opposition.

I don't know what the Washington Post USED to be like, but today, it's complete propaganda.

Alex Jones doesn't force anybody to do anything, the guy is harmless. NPR, PBS et al (maybe once decent) actively support the mass inoclulation of people and worse children with dangerous experimental agents. They are the real nazis of today and should be shut down and procescuted if there is ever a strong backlash.

richwicks says

I still contend that PBS and NPR were pretty fair minded news sources, 30 years ago.

Sure. They had Milt Friedman on, their talk shows like Louis Rukyheiser and others had many differing voices on. NPR All Things Considered had fairly regular guests that would be considered much more right wing both then and especially now. I remember hearing it growing up.

richwicks says

Here's some critical thinking - Alex Jones basically sells vitamins and water filters - how did he become a multimillionaire doing that? I think he's controlled opposition.

Nobody will advertise on Jones anymore out of fear of cancellation, and losing his big regular audience via Youtube and Facebook a few years back.

Salon gets regular injections of top .1% cash. The Revolving Door provides money to "public servants". WaPo and NYT are required subscriptions for millions of the "Right People". The Stinkin Project are all ex-McCain/Schwatzenegger/Collins campaign managers heavily funded by Billionaires.

While it's always good to be on guard for Grifting, Patriots basically have the My Pillow Man and some book sales by Navarro or Stone. Jones has to do something to keep his thing going, particularly after total exile from all "Normie" Social Media.

The big shift was around 2008-2012 when the PTB pivoted from "Fund Endless Wars" to "Wokey". Dianfu (Subversion) and Destabilization and Bribery ARE the Chinese Art of War, winning without kinetic combat. They were able to handle countless Central Asian invaders with those tactics for centuries; it only failed against the Western Barbarians in the Victorian Era at the peak of their powers and the nadir of the Chinese Economic/Military/Diplomatic strength.

It would be amazing to have some verifiable clue as to the connection between the NWO Crew and the CCP; I suspect it's that China became such a force, they had to onboard them. I have no doubt that China will ditch and destroy the HRE Gang as soon as it fails to produce dividends for them.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Sure. They had Milt Friedman on, their talk shows like Louis Rukyheiser and others had many differing voices on. NPR All Things Considered had fairly regular guests that would be considered much more right wing both then and especially now. I remember hearing it growing up.

They had some good programs, freakonomics, car talk, and old forum with Michael Krasny who was very well balanced and must shudder at what left wing commie rag npr has become.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Nobody will advertise on Jones anymore out of fear of cancellation, and losing his big regular audience via Youtube and Facebook a few years back.

Don't misunderstand me - even if he's controlled opposition, he's BEEN useful. He'd have people on that were cancelled 12 years ago. Ron Paul for example. When he was allowed on TV all he got thrown at him was strawman after strawman argument. "So Mr. Paul - why are you an isolationist? Why do you hate our troops? Why are you such a bigot?".

I find Jones annoying, but he introduced a HUGE segment of the population to "alternative" media. He's part clown but he also has people on he KNOWS lies. Steve Pieczenik for example. David Knight got fired from Infowars BECAUSE he was calling out Pieczenik for what he was, a liar.

Oh that's good news - I think Knight landed on his feet.

https://realnewsdavidknight.com/

This is Pieczenik

https://stevepieczenik.com/2020/12/10/alex-jones-december-10/

You judge if you think he's FOS.

richwicks says

You judge if you think he's FOS.

Way long ago, I read some of Tom Clancy's post Patriot Games style books. Op Center, whatever, they sucked balls. In fact, Clancy without an editor slashing his content with a machete and re-writing it repeatedly sucks.

It was clear whoever wrote it didn't have a basic understanding of computers whatsoever. By basic, I mean the typical 20-year old in 1995.

He was a major RINO Deep State fanboy. Many schmucks think they're smart and adopt his attitude about things.

So if this Steve guy ghost wrote the books, he's lost status in my eye. I also give my trust very grudgingly to people who hint at long stints with secretive agencies and so forth, usually they're LARPing their asses off.

CaptainHorsePaste says

So if this Steve guy ghost wrote the books, he's lost status in my eye. I also give my trust very grudgingly to people who hint at long stints with secretive agencies and so forth, usually they're LARPing their asses off.

My opinion is that if they

1) Have EVER worked for the intelligence agencies
2) Are lauded by "mainstream" authorities, which are lauded by our "mainstream press"

Think twice about trusting their opinion, positions, or intelligence. Actually smart people and ethical people are not put into the spotlight.