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Psychology of vaxxers. They are accepting the state into their bodies, becoming one with the government


               
2021 Oct 22, 3:04pm   239,979 views  1,476 comments

by Patrick   follow (59)  

Maybe the battle is between those who unfairly benefit from credentialism, and those who don't.

Liberals defend their credentials which allow them to exploit those who don't have the same credentials. Credentials create monopolies, the ability to set high prices regardless of quality of service. It is a way to defeat free market competition.

The funding of universities depends entirely on the demand for their degrees, which they control. Their biggest horror would be a system where anyone could take tests to prove competence in a subject without paying for the years of classes and subjecting themselves to obedience to professors.

Thatcher and Trump refused to give the automatic respect many academics feel is their due. They gave the impression that they could see right through us, an uncomfortable feeling.
- Thomas Frank

Most of academia is less about learning than about paying for a paper proof of status and conformity. Non-conformists are expelled from schools, or failed out. Most teachers do not like their authority to be questioned. Bosses like the academic proof of conformity when they hire. The most "educated" are the most obedient.

Trump was a threat to their credentials and therefore a threat to their incomes and status.

The academic elite need a reason to hate those threatening themselves, therefore they use imaginary "racism", to which there is no defense. The accusation is the conviction.

Then they don't need to worry about the real class problem, which is independent of race. They would be uncomfortable looking at class, because they'd have to look at themselves and their unearned class privileges.

So their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.


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1   Patrick   @   2021 Oct 22, 3:12pm  

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/lnn1910ann/status/1438632390847614977#m


it has been very distressing to witness our society’s intellectual class fall in line with the bureaucracy and government. They have refused to analyze whether the dramatic suspensions of our civil liberties have been justified or proportionate, and they have failed to highlight the dangers of letting the bureaucracy encroach to such a degree on the private lives and choices of citizens. Cultural and educational institutions (universities, the media, pressure groups, religious institutions, etc.) have abdicated. Not only have they abdicated such a role, but in several cases they have also sided with the bureaucracy in promoting such invasions into private life and attacks on civil liberties. This they continue to do, without realizing the danger it poses to themselves. In addition, they are seemingly unaware that the very policies they defend go against the values they claim to defend: inclusivity, liberty, diversity, and equality and equity.


So I would reply that the "intellectual class" has actually analyzed this, consciously or not, and are siding with the bureaucracy because it is exactly that bureaucracy which gives them money, status, and power.

Their stated values are false. What they really care about is maintaining their own positions in society. Demanding submission to injections, however dangerous, helps to maintain their positions.
2   HeadSet   @   2021 Oct 22, 4:41pm  

Patrick says
So maybe their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.

Not the "expert class" but rather the "credentialed class." They are not necessarily experts.
3   Patrick   @   2021 Oct 22, 5:03pm  

True, that's what I meant.
4   PerfectlyFlawed   @   2021 Oct 22, 6:16pm  

Then it seems it's by no mistake that all this vaccine lunacy came on the heels of the trump presidency - its almost as if this credentialed class were 'primed' or pre-conditioned to respond this way given the manner in which trump could "see right through" them. These minions can go expert class themselves right off a cliff..
6   Patrick   @   2021 Oct 24, 8:35pm  

Another theory:

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/why-covid-is-catnip-for-karens


the cure for not being able to manage your own emotional life is to prevent everyone else from having a life too.

this devolves into the adoption of performative ritual to signal which class you are in and to facilitate the monstrous ethical inversion of elevating bullying and dominating others “for their own good” to not just a virtue but a duty.

you get to avoid anxiety AND justify your basest desires to be in control (because you have generally felt out of control). that’s potent psychological liquor. is it any wonder they are drunk on it and have, perhaps, become outright alcoholics, addicted and dependent on this emotional firewater to get through the day?

the endlessly insecure have finally found their happy place.

it’s catnip for karens.
8   Patrick   @   2021 Nov 2, 12:29am  

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/how-journalism-abandoned-the-working


I think these are all pieces of the puzzle. But there’s another real reason that, however unconscious, is certainly also at play, and it’s this: Wokeness perpetuates the economic interests of affluent white liberals. I believe that many of them truly do wish to live in a more equitable society, but today’s liberal elites are also governed by a competing commitment: their belief in meritocracy, or the fiction that their status was earned by their intelligence and talents. Today’s meritocratic elites subscribe to the view that not only wealth but also political power should be the province of the highly educated. Still, liberals see themselves as compassionate and progressive. And perhaps unconsciously, they sought a way to reconcile the inequality that their meritocratic status produces with the compassionate emotions they feel toward the less fortunate. They needed a way to be perpetually on what they saw as the right side of history without having to disrupt what was right for them and their children.

A moral panic around race was the perfect solution: It took the guilt that they should have felt around their economic good fortune and political power— which they could have shared with the less fortunate had they cared to—and displaced it onto their whiteness, an immutable characteristic that they could do absolutely nothing to change. ...

They took a no doubt (?) genuine abhorrence for the truly heinous ways black Americans have been treated historically—and, in some cases, continue to be treated—and instead of seeing in it a call to arms to create a genuinely equal society, they used it as an excuse to withdraw from the common good and the social contract, rebranding the problem of racism to fit the solution that would most benefit them. In the process, they demonized America itself, deplatforming the working class (of all races) while protecting their own status. ...

In other words, wokeness provided the perfect ideology for affluent, liberal whites who didn’t truly want systemic change if it meant their children would have to sacrifice their own status, but who still wanted to feel like the heroes of a story about social justice, who still wanted to feel vastly superior to their conservative and even slightly less radical friends. They took a no doubt genuine abhorrence for the truly heinous ways black Americans have been treated historically—and, in some cases, continue to be treated—and instead of seeing in it a call to arms to create a genuinely equal society, they used it as an excuse to withdraw from the common good and the social contract, rebranding the problem of racism to fit the solution that would most benefit them. In the process, they demonized America itself, deplatforming the working class (of all races) while protecting their own status.


I think vaxxing and wokeness are two sides of the same coin, a self-congratulatory self-proclaimed moral superiority.
9   Patrick   @   2021 Nov 2, 12:50am  

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/01/the-elites-are-laughing-in-our-faces/


Across the West, green thinking has been embraced by virtually every wing of the establishment, from the political elites to the media class, from the educational realm to the world of popular culture.

And it isn’t hard to see why. It’s the perfect ideology for our at-sea elites. It allows them to magic up a sense of urgent moral purpose – they’re saving the planet, no less! It lends itself beautifully, or, rather, terrifyingly, to the project of social engineering: lower your horizons, learn to live with less, reconceive of yourself as a destructive creature in need of top-down control rather than a creative being who might help to push humanity forward. It naturalises the limitations of capitalism, encouraging people to make their peace with austerity and downturn on the basis that economic growth is a bad, nature-exploiting idea. And it is a very difficult ideology to challenge. The marshalling of The Science to buoy up this ruling-class ideology means that anyone who questions it – anyone who demands more growth, more ambition, a bigger human footprint – can swiftly be written off as an anti-scientific scourge, as a ‘denier’ of the revealed truths of climatology. Its social engineering, its social control and its strict, censorious management of social aspirations are what make the green ideology so attractive to the new elites.


Add one more corporate-liberal tenet: being eco-friendly and human-unfriendly.

eco = vaxx = wokeness

All strategies by the powerful to maintain and increase their own power at the expense of everyone else.
10   fdhfoiehfeoi   @   2021 Nov 2, 9:16am  

As I personally know a number of people who did take the shot, I'd like to posit that the simplest explanation is the most likely. People who take the covid shot don't understand preventative health. They only know treatment. They've never taken personal responsibility for their health. They are irresponsible and lazy(when it comes to health), as they want miracle cures, not real prevention, which always requires a lot of time and effort.

And the above is not a deviation. Their acceptance of the covid shot is the logical conclusion of the primary trend that has always governed their health decisions. If you take this view, everything makes perfect sense. But if you attempt to reason this behavior as a deviation from their norm, you'll always be flabbergasted.
11   Tenpoundbass   @   2021 Nov 2, 9:40am  

If you go to a third world country, and see people in their 70's getting around better than people in their 50's here. Then you realize, they have never been to a Doctor in their lives.
You begin to realize, seeking a cure, is often more deadly than taking your lumps, and licking your wounds.

There is no doubt in my mind, that many people go to see a Doctor over a pain, because they slept wrong, or they had gas(gas can create pains that can make you think you have anything from Cancer, to a Bad Heart). In this day and age where Doctors will jump on Google, to find the best treatment. Perfectly fine people end up on medication that makes them very sick.

When the pandemic first broke and the Elderly were kept from seeing their Doctors. My Sister said, it was the best my Mom looked and felt in 10 years. The Doctor had my mom on a hand bag full of meds. She was doing OK until they forced the Clot Shot on her.
12   richwicks   @   2021 Nov 2, 10:28am  

Tenpoundbass says
When the pandemic first broke and the Elderly were kept from seeing their Doctors. My Sister said, it was the best my Mom looked and felt in 10 years. The Doctor had my mom on a hand bag full of meds. She was doing OK until they forced the Clot Shot on her.


My grandmother was sharp as a tack until my parents convinced her to see a doctor, because she would periodically lie down feeling exhausted. The conclusion was that she was having heart problems - so she was put on a ton of medications, and slowly lost her mind.

20 years later, she broke her hip, and was removed from the medications, and she returned to her original mental acuity and died shortly after.

I will never take daily medications.
13   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   @   2021 Nov 2, 10:48am  

It's great being woken up - or based firmly - by all the bullshit.

If it ain't generic and been around for 30+ years, fuck it. Even then pursue all avenues to avoid medication.Patrick says

I think these are all pieces of the puzzle. But there’s another real reason that, however unconscious, is certainly also at play, and it’s this: Wokeness perpetuates the economic interests of affluent white liberals. I believe that many of them truly do wish to live in a more equitable society, but today’s liberal elites are also governed by a competing commitment: their belief in meritocracy, or the fiction that their status was earned by their intelligence and talents. Today’s meritocratic elites subscribe to the view that not only wealth but also political power should be the province of the highly educated. Still, liberals see themselves as compassionate and progressive. And perhaps unconsciously, they sought a way to reconcile the inequality that their meritocratic status produces with the compassionate emotions they feel toward the less fortunate. They needed a way to be perpetually on what they saw as the right side of history without having to disrupt what was right for the...


I checked out a NeverTrump site the other day, run by an ex-Army Officer who teaches at a Military College, the guy is exactly this, but calls himself a "Real Conservative". He doesn't give a shit about anything but Geopolitics. Not our skyrocketing debt, not the Anti-democratic forced government promotion of Sexual Deviants, not even taxes.

His readership seems to encapsulate the entire Bourgeois Bohemian/Class X/Your Term Here types who insist their Management is absolutely necessary, Third Worlders are Precious, but the American Working Class is Garbage (probably because the latter views them with suspicion if not contempt).
14   Ceffer   @   2021 Nov 2, 11:16am  

Patrick says
So maybe their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.


It's the silver or the bullet. Grants dry up without compliance, credit is withheld, liquidity is stanched. Or, you can drop your moral tone into the sociopathic gutter for bribes, and keep your credit, liquidity, grants and loans.

The crooked world banksters have shown how shallow moral rectitude is, which is what they rely on it for subversion. Toss in some blackmail where available for extra spiciness. It's all ritualized contempt for the victims. The pointy head elites are still victims, even if they fall back on their solipsism and fool themselves that they have a place at the table. They just don't see that they don't as they drop their ethics and morals in exchange for keeping nominal status and lifestyle.

The stewardship of these huge monies has fallen into the hands of insane, organized, democidal and genocidal dynastic criminals. These stewards must be removed and replaced with ethical persons again to prevent their hundreds of years of programmed wars from destroying humanity. Just like criminal governments, everything they touch has become cursed.
15   Patrick   @   2021 Nov 2, 9:19pm  

Maybe the division between vaxxer and the anti-mandate crowd is a deliberate part of a color revolution:




https://barryclark.info/color-revolutions-explained/
16   Robber Baron Elite Scum   @   2021 Nov 3, 6:59am  

College was created in order to artificially produce a caste system.

Many people with degrees are doctors who are complete idiots who only passed because they cheated and had connections for admission. This is not bs. lol

This is the truth.

Many smart people who would actually make the best nuero-surgeon are actually selling drugs or doing less than savory stuff to produce money....

Truth is stranger than fiction....
17   WookieMan   @   2021 Nov 3, 7:19am  

richwicks says
I will never take daily medications.

Amen. I'll take vitamins and some other natural stuff, but I won't even touch a pain killer pill for something like a nasty headache. Didn't take it with a broken heel. Doc was trying to force it on me hard. He had the prescription sent over even though I said no and wouldn't something like Tylenol III or whatever it is. I'm the fucking customer, I'll decide what goes into my body. I can handle pain.

The medical field has people convinced they're fixing you. Nope. They're just masking what your body is trying to tell you to keep you sick. Mental health is the worst for adults and kids. No one tries to figure out the issue. They just toss a pill your way and you're high essentially. You're then addicted to said pill. Jordan Peterson comes to mind. I've met with multiple individuals that got hooked on Benzo's. It fucks people up long term. Something that was "supposed" to help.
19   richwicks   @   2021 Nov 3, 11:14am  

WookieMan says
The medical field has people convinced they're fixing you. Nope. They're just masking what your body is trying to tell you to keep you sick. Mental health is the worst for adults and kids. No one tries to figure out the issue.


I'm in complete agreement with this. People who "are depressed" and take a pill for a it, have the same fucking problem they had to begin with that was making them depressed, except now, they're never going to fix the problem because the damned pill masks it.
20   SunnyvaleCA   @   2021 Nov 3, 1:07pm  

Patrick says
The funding of universities depends entirely on the demand for their degrees, which they control. Their biggest horror would be a system where anyone could take tests to prove competence in a subject without paying for the years of classes and subjecting themselves to obedience to professors.

The cower-in-place has put the universities in a very uncomfortable position, as it shows that the exorbitant tuition is paying for something that could be rolled out to millions of people via Zoom — you're not paying for those 5-person seminars with a Nobel laureate professor. Additionally, with all the online cheating, the degrees are even more suspect than usual.

I think the biggest benefit of an undergraduate degree from a top-tier university is that it shows the person was capable of getting in. Graduating is the easy part. Even if the person got in through political or financial connections, that would still be a person you might want to hire and promote just for their political or financial connections!

Unfortunately, the admissions practices of these schools has greatly deteriorated over the last few decades such that there's no guarantee a graduate has any desirable qualities.

For the sake of the next generation of students, I hope there's a huge shakeup in higher education.
21   SunnyvaleCA   @   2021 Nov 3, 1:24pm  

explaining the psychology of vaxxers

Quite a few people believe the lies from Fauci and the Biden cabal as broadcast by the fake-news media. Here are a bunch of things they might believe that are simply not true:
  • The "vaccines" are just like other vaccines and so quantifying and qualifying them can run on similar testing and metrics. We have 100 years of experience with vaccines!
  • They have been found "safe and effective" after thorough testing (see first bullet).
  • Of the vaccines with problems that snuck through testing, those problems were generally found within a few months; vaccines not showing problems within the first few months haven't been found to have long term problems. Therefore, this set of "vaccines" is safe. (see first bullet)
  • We can get everyone vaxxed and so wipe the virus off the face of the earth and be done with it forever.
  • There are no other remedies available, so it's vaxx or death.
  • Your odds of dying if unvaxxed are high.
  • The unvaxxed are spreading it to the vaxxed.
  • Since children aren't (yet) cleared for getting vaxxed, you're killing the children if you aren't vaxxed!
22   mell   @   2021 Nov 3, 1:49pm  

SunnyvaleCA says
explaining the psychology of vaxxers

Quite a few people believe the lies from Fauci and the Biden cabal as broadcast by the fake-news media. Here are a bunch of things they might believe that are simply not true:
  • The "vaccines" are just like other vaccines and so quantifying and qualifying them can run on similar testing and metrics. We have 100 years of experience with vaccines!
  • They have been found "safe and effective" after thorough testing (see first bullet).
  • Of the vaccines with problems that snuck through testing, those problems were generally found within a few months; vaccines not showing problems within the first few months haven't been found to have long term problems. Therefore, this set of "vaccines" is safe. (see first bullet)
  • We can get everyone vaxxed and so wipe the virus off the face of the earth and be done with it forever.
  • There are no other remedies available, so it's vaxx or death...


Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation. and they readily regurgitate the 99% of hospitalized patients are unjabbed lie, along with they're clogging up the icus and killing people who need other treatments. Despicable
23   richwicks   @   2021 Nov 3, 2:07pm  

mell says
Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation.


There's a few good boomers, I've met two.

But like you, I have experienced no end of frustration with that generation. X will clean up the shit they made. I still have hope with my generation. We might be the next Silent Generation or even the next Greatest Generation. The "greatest generation" went to WWII - we're in a war now, but it's more covert. I think we'll win.

Our war, and you may disagree with me, is with the propaganda and criminality of our government, and more generally "the system". I think we're going to win. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, well let the sun shine..
24   GNL   @   2021 Nov 3, 2:49pm  

richwicks says
mell says
Quite a few also are totally on board with mandating the jab on all kids to save themselves and other old boomerfucks. I hear this every day. Tells you everything about that generation.


There's a few good boomers, I've met two.

But like you, I have experienced no end of frustration with that generation. X will clean up the shit they made. I still have hope with my generation. We might be the next Silent Generation or even the next Greatest Generation. The "greatest generation" went to WWII - we're in a war now, but it's more covert. I think we'll win.

Our war, and you may disagree with me, is with the propaganda and criminality of our government, and more generally "the system". I think we're going to win. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, well let the sun shine..

I like your positivity. Hope you're right.
25   Robert Sproul   @   2021 Nov 3, 7:21pm  

richwicks says
I'm in complete agreement with this. People who "are depressed" and take a pill for a it, have the same fucking problem they had to begin with that was making them depressed, except now, they're never going to fix the problem because the damned pill masks it.

My analogy was always going to the Doctor with a tack in your ass and he prescribes you a pain killer.
You need to gather your wits and take the damn tack outta your butt.
26   Patrick   @   2021 Nov 3, 7:41pm  

I'm now convinced that most of "education" and "medicine" is a scam.

Hard science or engineering is decent education. Maybe also if you want to learn Greek and Latin and study the classics. Aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

Similar for medicine. If you get shot, you need an emergency room. And they might be able to help with cancer, or might not. Again, aside from those, I think it's basically bullshit for money.

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