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So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

ForcedTQ says

So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

Look at leasing. I think the Leaf was leased for $50 a month for a while. Probably that deal is gone, but there are some pretty sweet incentives for leasing, as long as you don't mind soaking the taxpayer for your almost free vehicle.

richwicks says

socal2 says

He acts like the Iraq war was some uniquely horrible and evil act by America.

It was.

MORE people died in Chicago than ALL US troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan. Much of the of the civilian deaths in both countries was attributed to the US, but was actually Muslim infighting between sects. Shia and Sunni. This is why no one has ever been successful in ever taking control of these countries 100%. They are fucking crazy people.

I agree we made a dip shit attempt to try. We have FAR bigger bigger problems at home. We're more war torn here than there. So maybe move there if you think they're better. It's water under the bridge and you cannot or don't even try to control it, just bitch. Enjoy a miserable life.

richwicks says

ForcedTQ says

So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

Look at leasing. I think the Leaf was leased for $50 a month for a while. Probably that deal is gone, but there are some pretty sweet incentives for leasing, as long as you don't mind soaking the taxpayer for your almost free vehicle.

My financial principles preclude me from leasing or financing an auto. Also not going to soak the taxpayers. Hell, I won’t even DIY solar on my house with an FTC claim. I’ll pay for it myself.

WookieMan says

MORE people died in Chicago than ALL US troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan.

I'm not complaining about the US troop deaths. I'm complaining about spending 1 trillion dollars or whatever to kill 800,000 Iraqis for no discernible benefit.

I no longer appeal to the morality of the situation because people just simply don't care about that. It cost $1,250,000 to kill each Iraqi about. For what benefit to the United States?

WookieMan says

Much of the of the civilian deaths in both countries was attributed to the US, but was actually Muslim infighting between sects. Shia and Sunni. This is why no one has ever been successful in ever taking control of these countries 100%. They are fucking crazy people.

Would the sectarian violence have happened if the United States didn't go to war? And who cares about the violence really? What strategic or financial advantage did the US gain in this war? Halliburton made a ton of money, as did Offense Contractors. The US taxpayer paid for it, and got absolutely nothing out of it other than a bill.

WookieMan says

I agree we made a dip shit attempt to try. We have FAR bigger bigger problems at home. We're more war torn here than there. So maybe move there if you think they're better. It's water under the bridge and you cannot or don't even try to control it, just bitch. Enjoy a miserable life.

If you IDIOTS can't learn from the past, you will repeat the same bullshit in the future. It does appear to be impossible to get you paramecium to understand this. You think the Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with our current state, it has EVERYTHING to do with it. Our surveillance state was setup as a result of it.

It's also not water under the bridge, we live with the consequences of that war, and because it wasn't stopped, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Ukraine have happened and they also have no financial or strategic objectives, or if they do, they aren't announced. I don't see any. I know some investment bankers are going to make a shit-ton of money off from Ukraine, because Ukraine is going to be slaves to them.

What the MIC does to foreign adversaries, they will eventually do to US. I know you can't comprehend that, but this empire has quite a long way to fall, and they aren't going to go out with a whimper like the USSR did.

ForcedTQ says

My financial principles preclude me from leasing or financing an auto.

You may want to reconsider buying an EV at this time. Their lifespan is about 10 years. Replacement of the battery is basically a new car. I'm leery of them. I doubt there's a single Tesla on the road that was built in 2014 that's on the road today.

There's a very hard limit to the number of charges and discharges, and the battery discharges even when NOT in use. I think the whole industry is crazy. It doesn't solve any problem. It's greenwashing in my opinion. I'm sure you've got a smart phone, do you keep the old one when you replace it? I find that the lfespan of a phone with relatively heavy use is about 5 years due to battery deterioration. I used to use my old phone all the time to listen to podcasts, until it would finally not accept a charge any longer. Miss that phone.. All you can buy are these giant notepads today.

It's Solyndra 2.0:



https://nypost.com/2024/06/05/business/democratic-senator-blasts-5b-program-as-failure-after-only-7-ev-charging-stations-open-in-3-years/

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

It's Solyndra 2.0:

I don't like EV's as you know. But how hard is it to put in a charging spot? Pull a permit, talk to the electric utility for trenching and meter, do a locate and put in the charger. There's no EPA testing that needs to be done as most chargers, at least in IL, are at gas stations anyway. All the heavy lifting has been done.

$5B should have gotten 1,000 chargers easy. The problem is shit like prevailing wage and unions. Maybe just hire a small company to install said chargers and they pay their employees what they want. Federal money is a flying bitch with diarrhea to deal with. Doing it now with my board. No one has inside connections but we're basically limited on what and who we can use for a construction project. Can't use local companies for things like plumbing or electric that could be on site in minutes. Nope, has to be some union company from Chicago 60 miles away.

I legit shut down at my last board meeting. Told them I was pissed off and didn't say another word the whole meeting. We are basically forced to hire certain companies by the Federal government, as a government body because we got money from them. I've know it, but the whole fucking thing is a racket.

socal2 says

Russia loses more troops in a single week in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq in 12 years.

Source?

What are the actual casualties in the Ukrainian war?

WookieMan says

But how hard is it to put in a charging spot? Pull a permit, talk to the electric utility for trenching and meter, do a locate and put in the charger. There's no EPA testing that needs to be done as most chargers, at least in IL, are at gas stations anyway. All the heavy lifting has been done.

In case this isn't rhetorical, I answered this very issue here:

https://patrick.net/post/1381647/2024-07-13-assassination-attempt-trump-butler-pa?start=400#comment-2081538

Onvacation says

socal2 says

Russia loses more troops in a single week in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq in 12 years.

Source?

What are the actual casualties in the Ukrainian war?

What source would meet your standards? Obviously US and UK intelligence estimates is no good. Ukrainian? Even worse. How about Pukin
himself? Good enough?

Russian President Vladimir Putin has stated that the Russian army loses 20,000 combat troops in Ukraine every month.
...

According to analysts, Putin has suggested that 5,000 Russian soldiers die in combat in Ukraine every month. Considering the standard ratio of wounded to killed as three to one, approximately 15,000 Russian servicemen are wounded every month.

Wikipedia puts US KIA at 4,507 for the whole Iraq war.

@RWSGFY what the hell is this Ukraine stuff doing in this thread?

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

RWSGFY what the hell is this Ukraine stuff doing in this thread?

Ask @Onvacation.

RWSGFY says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

RWSGFY what the hell is this Ukraine stuff doing in this thread?

Ask Onvacation.

ask @socal2

Onvacation says

ask socal2

Of course.

Rumor has it that Ford is dropping electric F-150.

RWSGFY says

Rumor has it that Ford is dropping electric F-150.

Nooooo shit.

RWSGFY says

Rumor has it that Ford is dropping electric F-150.

I actually wanted one of those. Maybe now the price will come down to reasonable.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

Rumor has it that Ford is dropping electric F-150.

I actually wanted one of those. Maybe now the price will come down to reasonable.

Fiskers got reasonable, lol.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:

His official rationale is "market share". Teslas have already been stripped of the subsidies under the original rule after reaching certain number of units. Then Bidet's "inflation reduction act" brought the blanket subsidy back (and accelerated inflation, lol).

Thousands of new cars are rusting in a parking lot in Germany, no one is buying them anymore.

In the German city of Essen, about 6,000 new cars have filled a parking lot due to high prices and problems with the infrastructure for electric cars.

Among the abandoned cars are models of German auto brands Volkswagen and Audi. According to the employees of the site, the cars have been idle for more than six months.

“I have never encountered anything like this before, although I have been working here for more than 10 years.

Cars are only brought in, but almost no one drives them. People are not ready to pay such money for an electric car, and the development of charging stations and limited driving range scare off buyers," said one of the workers.

-> The government imposed the green agenda, now the carmaker go bankrupt …

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1861465530600722579

$10 billion graft for another Solyndra: