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Wagner chooses civil war? Use mercenary convicts as an army, what could possibly go wrong? And now, for something completely different.
Never rely on mercenaries, folks.
24 June 2023
22:34 GMT
Russia’s federal road agency, Rosavtodor, told TASS news agency that all restrictions on traveling on roads and highways have been lifted.
The traffic on some roads was suspended on Saturday as the Wagner fighters were moving towards the capital.
22:16 GMT
The regional governor, Vasily Golubev, said that the Wagner convoy has left Rostov-on-Don and is now heading back to the company’s field camps.
21:46 GMT
The Kremlin has revealed the details of the agreement with Wagner PMC. According to spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the criminal case against Prigozhin will be dropped and he will leave Russia for Belarus. Wagner troops will not be prosecuted, and those who did not take part in the insurrection will be permitted to sign on with the Russian Defense Ministry.
19:54 GMT
A Wagner Group tank, which had been “stuck” in the gates of the Rostov-on-Don circus near the headquarters of Russia’s Southern Military District has left the location, footage from the scene shows.
19:40 GMT
The Wagner Group PMC contractors have begun leaving the premises of the headquarters of Russia’s Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don. Footage from the scene shows the fighters packing their belongings and weaponry, and boarding combat vehicles.
17:32 GMT
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has held negotiations with the leader of the mutinous Russian PMC Wagner Group, Evgeny Prigozhin, and found an “absolutely beneficial and acceptable” way to end the crisis. The development was announced by Lukashenko’s press service, with the breakthrough reached after tense “day-long” talks.
The negotiations were conducted after speaking with and in coordination with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the press service noted. Prigozhin has accepted the offer to “stop advancements” of the PMC’s companies across Russia, it added.
16:38 GMT
US President Joe Biden has discussed the ongoing insurrection in Russia with Washington’s closest allies. “President Biden spoke today with President Emmanuel Macron of France, Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak of the United Kingdom. The leaders discussed the situation in Russia. They also affirmed their unwavering support for Ukraine,” the White House press service said in a statement.
16:24 GMT
Multiple shots were fired outside of the headquarters of Russia’s Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don, RT correspondent Ilya Vasyuninn reports. Footage from the scene shows a Wagner Group PMC contractor firing an assault rifle at the entrance of a local office of Rostelecom, Russia’s biggest digital service provider, in an apparent attempt to break into the building.
HAHAHA.
Who do you think keeps control of Iraq? We're still at war, we just don't technically have the military at war with Iraq. It's all mercenaries.
Oh, the US calls them "contractors"...
"Prigozhin's attempt to overthrow Putin has failed and he is now backpedalling."
2. Prigozhin and Putin are working together and/or:
2a. Prigozhin took Western Money and notified Putin; Putin and Prigozhin split the money while the latter ran a fake temporary mutiny. Prigozhin will be reprimanded and Putin will grudgingly acknowledge his "Service" and reduce penalty from death to exile (but of course Prigozhin will keep his share).
2b. Prigozhin ran a self-coup for Putin to flush out Western Sympathizers/Disloyal Officials
he will declare victory in Ukraine and say it’s over.
Maybe Putin will be taken out or he will declare victory in Ukraine and say it’s over.
"Maybe Putin will be taken out or he will declare victory in Ukraine and say it’s over."
"When you annex territory that you don't control isn't that pretty much the same?"
One such consequence is, in my thinking, the collapse of NATO.
Some people think that Putin actually colluded with the Wagner guy; the guy is critical of the Kremlin military bosses, and blamed them for the military adventure in Ukraine.
The theory is Putin is looking for a way out and he will blame the Kremlin guys for the debacle.
Does appear to be a double triple agent type switcheroo. Of course, Kulak's comments on using mercenaries means they are perpetually negotiating and switching sides for money. It's having a wolf by the ears that is happy to bite your direction as soon as you let go, or somebody pays them better than you do.
I think this is some sort of scam or setup. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Wagner was given this huge bribe, reported it, and instigated a fake coup attempt to carry out their end of the bargain.
She's an arrogant, stupid cunt who is entirely confident in her expertise.
richwicks says
She's an arrogant, stupid cunt who is entirely confident in her expertise.
I've been around these smug types who aspire to reach similar levels of their profession as Nuland (or Nut-land).
They are beyond repair or even salvage. They are fully compromised and their is no turning back like a come-to-Jesus-moment.
Well, it did advantage Israel.
Since the beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, analysts & officials have claimed that Putin will never back down; that he needs a facing-saving win (i.e. Ukrainian territory) to end his war. Events yesterday completely undermined that assumption.
Putin talked tough in his national address. He sounded like someone preparing for a big fight. But when faced with the difficult decision of trying to stop Wagner mercenaries with major force, he backed down.
He didn't escalate. He didn't need a face-saving off-ramp to declare victory. When facing the possibility of really losing to Wagner mercenaries coming into Moscow, he just capitulated.
Instead of doubling down with more force to crush the mutiny, Putin accepted humiliation instead. He was the rat trapped in the corner that so many Putinologists have told us to fear. But he didn't lash out & go crazy. He negotiated with a traitor.
The lesson for the war in Ukraine is clear. Putin is more likely to negotiate and end his war if he is losing on the battlefield. Those who have argued that Ukraine must not attack Crimea for fear of triggering escalation must now reevaluate that hypothesis.
The sooner Putin fears he is losing the war, the faster he will negotiate.
Despite it lasting less than a day, the “Wagner uprising,” which grew out of this performance, is likely to deal a serious blow to Putin’s power. The mutiny has demonstrated the vulnerability at the core of Putin’s system of power. Prigozhin has just proven that it is possible to seize a city of millions in Russia without firing a single shot, and then move toward Moscow without meeting any resistance. This may suggest that many of Russia’s security officials and soldiers do not like their commanders, and will not risk their lives for them. The confrontation ending in stalemate has not changed anything in this respect.
For better or for worse, the rebellion didn’t last long enough to discover to what extent Prigozhin’s radical populist ideas are popular among Russia’s security services, which would have been evident from the number of military personnel defecting to the side of Wagner. In any case, Prigozhin has voiced his agenda, which will, in one form or another, circulate further in society.
Prigozhin’s insurrection is another link in a long process demonstrating the emperor has no clothes. Each such story almost literally “exposes” Putin: it strips him of one of his many “vestiges.”
The previous blow against Putin was in Russia’s Belgorod region, when relatively small military units crossed the border, seized populated areas, and then withdrew with impunity. This hurt Putin’s ability to say his “special operation” posed no threat to Russians.
The Russian army’s inability to solve large-scale combat tasks was demonstrated to the whole world, as the myth of the “world’s second army” and its leader collapsed with a bang. Putin’s reputation was first damaged in the early days of the war, when it became clear that he had been deceived about the state of affairs in Ukraine and that he was unable to filter out unreliable information — even as an experienced politician and a career intelligence officer.
Prigozhin, however, dealt the most crushing blow to Putin. It’s now clear that the president is unable to control “his” people, who at some point may become a threat to everyone else.
It’s clear that the Kremlin will try to get rid of the remnants of quasi-state structures like Wagner Group. However, the very existence of Prigozhin’s “march” on Moscow proved the inadequacy of Putin’s worldview, since he believed nothing of this sort was possible. Destroying private military companies, of course, will not fix that.
"Putin talked tough in his national address. He sounded like someone preparing for a big fight. But when faced with the difficult decision of trying to stop Wagner mercenaries with major force, he backed down."
Eric Holder says
"Putin talked tough in his national address. He sounded like someone preparing for a big fight. But when faced with the difficult decision of trying to stop Wagner mercenaries with major force, he backed down."
There is a lot of fantasy and wishful thinking in that analysis. Prigozhin did not have any military training and he was above his head in that position with Wagner. Finally Prigozhin had a treasonous meltdown. That is why he was allowed to leave Russia.
Ukraine is finished. The counteroffensive failed and Ukraine's losses are so high, they don't have an army anymore to keep fighting.
"if the guy who started an open insurrection doesn't really have any military might there is even less reason to simply let him go and not hang him by the balls from the Kremlin wall to discourage any potential challengers to Pukin's rule."
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