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NuttBoxer says

Outside the top brass, most of them are unaware of the military industrial complex.

I hope you are not implying that military are genuinely naive and ignorant and the bottom, and evil at the top. That comes across like those Covid and Global Warming zealots who think that anyone who does not follow "the science" is a dumb hick or an evil grifter leading people astray. Actually, I think the folks who think military enlistees are Gomer Pyles are the naive ones. After all, who do they think maintains the jets, ICBMs, and the hydraulic nightmare known as the Apache helicopter? Who do they think does the civil engineer type maintenance on the massive facilities and infrastructure? It is enlisted shops that do all the automotive maintenance as well as fix the cranes, tanks and related vehicles. These mechanics have skills far surpassing those at your local Cadillac dealer. I remember talking with an enlisted avionics tech about a particular circuit diagram, and wanted to know if he could determine the output. I took EE courses, so I knew how to determine the output with calculus. He was able to quickly determine the output using algebra. The folks who run the very large LANs are enlisted, as are the logisticians who manage billion-dollar inventories and do SURGE report programing. Air Traffic Controllers are also enlisted. Over the decades, the coders who did FORTRAN, ADA, and some more modern languages were enlisted. Of course, the military has extensive training for these jobs, but dummies will not make it through.

Military members are just as aware of the MIC as any civilian, but like every other endeavor, one must take the world as it is, the art of the possible. Soldier and brass alike see the overall positives of their miliary service, even they do not like the part where they have to make do with weapons bought not for need or effectiveness, but to reward a Congressional district (Osprey, C-130J). Nobody likes the MIC, but the fix is for the civilians to vote out the corruption.

I think it is very sad. You say the enlisted know what they are fighting for? Really? If they do know, then the above is what they are supporting. If not, why the hell did they join? There is a time when you have to turn your back on evil. It does not matter how "smart" you are or what skills you gain from the evil. Easy for me to say since I am not a military man? I've turned my back on plenty of family and friends over this stupid shit. Do you think that's a fun and easy thing to do? No, I haven't crawled on my belly in the mud for hours. Or had mace spayed in my face or peeled a 1,000 potatoes. So what. You don't think there's private sector jobs that are just as dirty/difficult? No one in the military has a monopoly on inteligence. That isn't what you're suggesting is it?

Eric Holder says

Congrats: you've discovered our resident ultracrepidarian. :D

That sounds like an Armenian last name!

"Fifth night in a row: a report on the launch of missiles by the Russian army towards Odessa in Ukraine"

Is Russia finally going to take Odessa instead of holding out on it as a bargaining chip?

Onvacation says

If seems to me the drone dart would have to be quite sophisticated. The dart itself at a minimum would have servos micro-adjusting the dart's fins to stay on target. The guidance system would probably be from the drone.

No. All you need to do is keep the target in the field of view. 500 meters up is just 1/2 km, about a quarter mile, you can do digital zoom on your fucking phone camera with that today. Throw some optics on it.

I'm sick of talking about how to MURDER people. I'm just showing it's fucking easy.

How hard do you think it is to have a servo mechanism to control a fucking dart today falling at terminal speed? That too complicated? Sink a bullet, but that doesn't have the control of cross winds. In the 1980's, they had weapons where you put an infra-red laser on the target, and a small and deadly missile would just zoom in on it. That was FORTY YEARS AGO.

Our military equipment costs millions to do a drone strike. The entire MIC is about consuming money, not wining a war. As a result, the next real war we get into, we're going to lose. We'll go bankrupt first, maybe that's the plan. Russia is kicking our ass in Ukraine, with military conscripts who don't want to fight and prisoners. 6:1 kill ratio, after we spent 8 years building up the Ukraine military.

Everybody is like "oh, it's so fucking complicated!" - no it's not. We've had systems like this since the goddamned 1980s, they were expensive then, they sure as fuck aren't now.

This is all stupid. Putin should just put a bounty on some heads, and end this stupid bullshit, but he won't. This is a test between Russia and the US, in terms of military equipment. They are studying our tactics, as we study theirs. Ukrainians, nobody gives a shit about them. They are just a distraction. Russia basically beat us in Syria.

HeadSet says

Military members are just as aware of the MIC as any civilian,

That just means they are pretty much oblivious to it. If you talk to an average american about the "Military Industrial Complex", they're more likely than 50% of the time think you're a conspiracy theorist. Don't fool yourself.

I know super smart people who think that the "unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated" - they don't even question it and god fucking help you if you try to make them question it. Smart people are stupid people. Most of them are just highly educated, not smart.

Propaganda works on everyone. Now what they do is sell the same propaganda in different ways to capture as many people as possible.

HeadSet says

I hope you are not implying that military are genuinely naive and ignorant and the bottom, and evil at the top.

Snowden was. Not at the bottom, and technically a contractor, though he did try for Rangers. So was Manning, closer to the bottom, but definitely had a technical job. At the top I'm guessing you've heard of Oliver North, Henry Kissenger(civilian, but he ran Vietnam), Sherman's genocide to the sea, the commanders who stood down our air defense on 9/11, the ones who green-lighted Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, etc, etc, etc. You think the MIC is just about money?

I'm aware that intelligent people rationalize all kinds of immoral actions because standing against the tide is harder. I've done it, I'm sure you have. Doesn't make it right. I have been contacted for DOD jobs in my field many times. Have seen very, VERY lucrative openings advertising twice what I make for the same work. I won't take them. Not now, not ever. I've never had to murder anyone to feed my family, and I'm not about to start. Not a strong military family, so easier call for me to make.

HeadSet says

Nobody likes the MIC, but the fix is for the civilians to vote out the corruption.

Now that's naive...

The other aspect being overlooked about our military, under Obama they started a HUGE push to get rid of top brass that were loyal to America or the people rather than the government agenda. And recruiting standards have been lowered so much, any fag, dike, or gang banger can easily get in. They want the military to be a beefed up version of the police eventually. Willing to violate Posse Comitatus, willing to kill civilians.

NuttBoxer says

HeadSet says

Nobody likes the MIC, but the fix is for the civilians to vote out the corruption.

Now that's naive...

HAHAHA - that's extremely naive.

Biden wasn't even fucking elected. Supposedly, 25.5 million NEW VOTERS showed up in 2020, our greatest turn out in American history. That's 50% of the entire US population, not just of voting age, the ENTIRE population. The increase was 7% of our entire population.

@HeadSet - we don't have a FUCKING GOVERNMENT. All the need is 50.000001% to believe either we elected these assholes, OR it doesn't matter.

Debbie Wasserman Shultz didn't win her election. We have traitors EVERYWHERE in the government.

Now, then this government fails (and it will, it's when not if), we'll be able to tell what replaces it as either good or bad, if these assholes are executed or not. If they're not, the new boss is the same as the old boss.

richwicks says

we don't have a FUCKING GOVERNMENT. All the need is 50.000001% to believe either we elected these assholes, OR it doesn't matter.

Naive or not, I am looking at the last Virginia Governor race. In 2020, we had obvious fraud in the after-hours tally where Trump in Virginia went from an 18-point lead at poll closing to losing the next day. In 2020, the Republican left many western rural precincts without a Republican rep. These traditionally red districts somehow all voted blue. The same vote fraud was tried by the Dem in the 2021 Governor's race when they had 30,000 unsigned votes on hand in Fairfax County. All the Dems needed to do is keep the margin within 30,000 votes and then have a judge allow those fabricated votes. However, the Republicans manned ALL districts this time and the Republican Youngkin had an 85,000 vote lead. Thus, the Dems did not even bother with those 30k unsigned votes.

OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER has liberated an Orthodox cathedral:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1682892910755282945

RWSGFY says

OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER has liberated an Orthodox cathedral:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1682892910755282945

Instead of filming the fire, why don't they try to put it out?

Onvacation says

RWSGFY says

OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER has liberated an Orthodox cathedral:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1682892910755282945

Instead of filming the fire, why don't they try to put it out?

its like a movie simulation.

RWSGFY says

OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER has liberated an Orthodox cathedral:

Wasn't Putin about to die from cancer like a year ago? Oh that can't be, I must be misremembering that. After all the US doesn't has propaganda:


original link

What's the church? It's said "Odesa’s main Orthodox cathedral" - well what cathedral is that? Holy Assumption Cathedral, Transfiguration Cathedral, Spaso-Preobrazhensky Cathedral? What's the geolocation? For all I know, and you know, this is a picture of a Syrian church. Could be in Libya as well. Stop seizing on propaganda. People who fall for this, I once just thought were ignorant, but they are just stupid. People get fooled over and over and over again, and they still think "recent information" which provides no way to confirm it, is worth talking about.

It could be true, possibly, but given the annoying level of propaganda in this stupid pointless war, I have a wait and see attitude.

@RWSGFY - give us an update in 1 month.

Develop a fucking filter. I don't understand why people just believe anything they see on a fucking computer or a television screen. They're not human. Despite being lied to repeatedly, fooled repeatedly, made a fool repeatedly, they never learn. Cattle are smarter.

HeadSet says

All the Dems needed to do is keep the margin within 30,000 votes and then have a judge allow those fabricated votes. However, the Republicans manned ALL districts this time and the Republican Youngkin had an 85,000 vote lead. Thus, the Dems did not even bother with those 30k unsigned votes.

If they had it in the bag, they wouldn't be going to the mattresses with the third impeachment/"Trumped Up' Charges.

They won't have COVID like last time, or at least, we hope they won't.

I'll never forget those thousand or so mail-in votes in PA that were alleged to come from some college (near Reading? I forget, not a big school) the Student Center Mail Room, a College that had been closed and still was in November 2020 there were no in-person classes or dorm occupants and hadn't been since May. I suspect that during COVID they forgot to shut down the usual fraudulent voting on top of the manufactured votes.

Sadly, SCOTUS already had the opportunity to nullify the lower court's allowing "unfilled date" mail in ballots to be counted in Pennsylvania, with the true conservatives (Thomas, Gorsuch, Alito) dissenting. It only vacated the ruling without setting precedent.

Our buddy Benjamin Fulford claims Ukraine settlement is near, but Woo Knows but the Woo?
"By
Benjamin Fulford
July 24, 2023
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An agreement to end the Ukrainian war was reached in principle last week following high-level negotiations between British MI6 Intelligence and the Russian FSB. The details will be negotiated over the coming months sources in both agencies confirm.

The basic outline of the agreement is as follows:

Russia will get the entire Ukrainian Black Sea coast.

The city of Odesa will become a demilitarized free trade zone to allow Ukrainian trade to proceed smoothly.

The country of Abkhazia will be internationally recognized and be turned into a free trade zone.

The war criminals in Ukraine, including Vladimir Zelinsky, will be removed from power and face justice.

A fully modernized 300,000-man NATO army will be established in Germany. It will be strong enough to deter Russian invasion but too weak to threaten Russia. It will also keep the military-industrial complex in business until a swords-to-plowshares transition can be managed.

Also, a Polish/Lithuanian confederacy may take over the non-Russian parts of Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin himself says “Plans may be in the works to use an intended Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian joint military unit as an occupation force in western Ukrainian territories, and any Polish forces entering Lviv are certain to remain there,”

https://tass.com/world/1650119

He also says that if the Ukrainians “want to relinquish or sell off something in order to pay their bosses, as traitors usually do, that’s their business. We will not interfere.” In other words, the Russians seem to be OK with this as long as “they leave Belarus alone.”"

The city of Odesa will become a demilitarized free trade zone to allow Ukrainian trade to proceed smoothly.

LOL
Does this mean the Russian criminals conducting business through the ports get to shake down the Ukrainian criminals?

Ceffer says

Also, a Polish/Lithuanian confederacy may take over the non-Russian parts of Ukraine.

Why would Lithuania be involved? Poland could just take back territory taken from them and given to Ukraine after WW2.Ceffer says

The war criminals in Ukraine, including Vladimir Zelinsky, will be removed from power and face justice.

Never happen. Declaring Zelinski as a criminal would implicate Biden, Graham, and others.

Ukraine war propaganda that includes a phony scene of a bombed out building. Two women carry debris as if it were a feather, when in reality, they probably couldn't even lift it.

https://twitter.com/DeplorableVet84/status/1683829755735334912

RayAmerica says

phony scene of a bombed out building

LOL! Walmart: "Stryofoam stage prop cleanup in Isle 3!"

Ceffer says

Our buddy Benjamin Fulford claims Ukraine settlement is near, but Woo Knows but the Woo?

I do.

Benjamin Fulford is a disinformationist liar. He's a propagandist in "the alt media".

The war will go for at LEAST another year. It would require a change of leadership in the United States, and given the last election was stolen, I don't see it happening. I expect the war to continue for at least 4 more years.

https://patrick.net/post/1379837/2023-07-26-don-t-worry-poland-is-not-going-to

Link: https://twitter.com/ocohan/status/1683884355687686145

New York Times fantasy propaganda for idiotic brainwashed hawks. I hope the military eventually hangs those wretches putting this stuff out.

Our crime port! Our beautiful crime port! Melting, melting! Russia finally decides leaving Odessa on the table doesn't matter any more and is beginning to encroach in earnestness.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/33248

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/landlocked-after-taking-all-azov-sea-coastal-areas/

The deadpan way Russians describe things on Rybar:
"In the Orikhiv sector, the AFU managed to occupy a small area of forest plantations northeast of Robotyne.
The dubious success cost the enemy dozens of dead soldiers and a large amount of burned Western equipment."

Patrick says

“life comes at you fast”

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/manmade-saturday-july-29-2023-c-and

The article begins by recycling the new narrative, which is that the much-hyped Glorious Spring CounterOffensive™ never really had a chance anyway. But Newsweek added a new twist — it’s not Ukraine’s fault, it was NATO:

While there are numerous reasons for this relative lack of success, including the strength of Russian defenses, some experts are pointing towards a less obvious influence: NATO. The alliance pushed an arbitrary deadline for the counterattack, they say, and then failed to fully prepare Ukrainian forces to carry it out.

Reading that paragraph, you could be forgiving for thinking it was NATO’s war, and Ukraine is just providing a few troops to help out. After all, why would NATO set war deadlines instead of Ukrainian generals? And why should NATO prepare Ukrainian forces to “carry out” the Ukrainian counterattack? I mean, if it’s Ukraine’s battle plan, shouldn’t Ukraine prepare its own troops?

Trump has a point there. War for the profit of US defense contractors was inevitable as soon as the election fraud installed Bidet.

They have obfuscated as much as possible though. The focus is all on aid, not American's in Ukraine. But even that isn't selling...