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WookieMan says

Citizens are getting pissed

No they aren't.

Russian citizens are just as stupid and dimwitted as US citizens. They don't care about the war. They care about the Ukraine war as much as Americans do. Russian casualty rates are VASTLY overblown in the West. I wouldn't be surprised if the kill ratio is 20:1 at this point but we'll only know when the war is over, because then propaganda won't be constantly shitted out.

There's no active movement at all, whatsoever, in Russia to end the war - IF THERE WAS our bullshit propaganda media would be splashing it all over the propaganda box. Our intelligence agencies can't even astroturf one.

This is a purposeful, slow, destruction not of just Ukraine but US unilateralism intended to harm Europe and the United States as much as possible. When this is over, Ukraine, what is left of it, will be deeply in debt and will be in austerity forever under the control of BlackRock and what not. At that point, the Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine MIGHT realize they've been duped and betrayed, maybe - but I doubt it.

See even Zelensky is now admitting that Ukraine is totally fucked!

This thing is still going?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/jock-itch-saturday-march-31-2024

It’s been a momentous week in the Proxy War. If you want a thoughtful, neutral take on the Moscow terrorist attack, former British diplomat and author Alistair Cooke wrote a piece for AlJazeera headlined, “The Crocus Concert Hall Atrocity: No Going Back.”

Cooke explained why the U.S. seems hell-bent on denying Ukraine involvement in the attack. It’s simple. If Ukraine is involved, and people find out, it could lead to loss of support for Kyiv...

As far as I can tell from publicly-available information, there are two main reasons why Russia suspects Ukraine was involved: that the terrorists were fleeing toward Ukraine, obviously expecting to be able to somehow cross the heavily-defended wartime border. And second, the Russians announced over the last couple days that they found emails and direct messages on the terrorists’ devices showing cryptocurrency payments received from Ukraine.

You could also add to those facts that Ukraine had motive and had opportunity. It seems very odd that, at this point, anyone would rule out Ukraine. ...

As for the war, things are not going well for Ukraine. Yesterday, the Washington Post ran a strange op-ed. It was strange because the op-ed was written by a Washington Post reporter, who had interviewed former comedian Zelensky for the story. ...

The … article? op-ed? ... included a threat, right in the very first paragraph:

"President Volodymyr Zelensky, the actor who became a wartime president, delivered a stark message to Congress in an interview on Thursday as Russian missiles were pounding southern Ukraine: Give us the weapons to stop the Russian attacks, or Ukraine will escalate its counterattacks on Russia’s airfields, energy facilities and other strategic targets."

Hmm. I get why Zelensky’s terroristic counterattacks would be a threat against Russia. But why were they also a threat against Congress? Is Zelensky tacitly admitting that the U.S.’s infrastructure is also at risk if Ukraine keeps attacking Russia’s infrastructure?

In other words, Zelensky seems essentially to be admitting that Russia blows up a U.S. refinery every time Ukraine blows up one of Russia’s refineries.

Which is what we’ve been saying all along.

AmericanKulak says

This thing is still going?

I told you, this war is going to go on for so fucking long, Americans will just forget it's going on. I think it has at least 2 years left. Ukraine will be ruined, deeply in debt, and will have severe austerity imposed on the population. Blackrock is going to own that entire country.

What this war really is, is a war on Ukraine by Blackrock. They were never intended to win. Ukraine will only get out of this with a revolution now, and that's a decade away at least. When the scale of the destruction is known, NO COUNTRY, is going to ever align itself with the United States again, because the US just destroys its allies. Hussein was an ally. All of Europe are allies, and boy did we fuck them by blowing up the Nordstream and starting this conflict.

The UK is TERRIFIED of Europe working with Russia and have been trying to keep Europe and Russia divided for centuries, I think this might just finally end. Ever read 1984? Here's the map of it:



It's going to be something like that. For SOME REASON the US is best fucking friends with England, and that was the country we fought a damned revolution to get away from.

How is hitting refineries of attacking country a "terroristic" anything? It's absolutely legitimate act of defense, because it starves the Red Horde of fuels for their tanks and bombers, not to mention hitting the state revenues.



The fuckers are now IMPORTING gasoline, diesel and jet fuel whereas this time last year they were exporting shitloads of it.

EVERYTHING IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN!

RWSGFY says

"How is hitting refineries of attacking country a "terroristic" anything?"

Nonsense. Russia is now sending crude oil to India and India is exporting
refined oil products to Europe and elsewhere.

#Extortion

@socal2 must be sooo proud!

Hey @socal2 WTF is happening here?

I thought you said Ukraine had a kick ass army!

Hey @socal2 !

Yup, how is your fucking SEA WAR working now?

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1774509220869587451

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1774509220869587451

Not going to work out well... Russia has a large percentage of Muslims and Muslim neighbors. Not sure how this is any different than Gaza and Isreal without the war and killing. It's just going to piss them off and cause more attacks.

It's why Trump is/should be heralded for getting the fuck out of the Middle East. Hate or love the religion, they're just humans that want to do what they do. I don't give a fuck about them. Throw gays from buildings. We let men compete in female sports... Like we're all that much better?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/aprils-fools-monday-april-1-2024

Yesterday, Russia Today ran a story fraught with implications headlined, “Moscow demands that Kiev surrender terrorism suspects.” Corporate media completely ignored the story.

Russia’s formally-presented demand for Ukraine’s terrorists included but was not limited to the recent Crocus City Hall concert hall attack, which left at least 144 people dead and over 500 injured. Among other reasons, the Russian government cited Ukraine’s assassination of a Russian military blogger, its car-bombing of a journalist Daria Dugina, its bombing of the Crimean Bridge killing several civilians, its recent raids on small Russian border villages, and its attacks on Russia’s polling places during the recent election.

Nobody but Ukraine seriously disputes Ukraine’s officially involvement in multiple acts of terrorism against Russia over the last couple years...

Because the Obama/Biden neocons have abandoned the rule of law in favor of the rule of convenience, or the rule of justification, the U.N. will not hold Ukraine to account, condemn it, criticize it, or even talk to it in a stern tone of voice. Especially not with all the American and British octopus tentacles probably wrapped around these attacks. Terrorism is okay when we say it is.

So the Russian demands are more interesting for what they imply rather than for making anything happen. The West will ignore Russia’s formal linkage of Ukraine to the Moscow terror attack. Ukraine is probably yukking it up about the demand to hand over its spy chief, Malyuk. Like that will ever happen. But, by pushing forward in the political/legal domain, Moscow is pressuring the failing Ukraine regime and highlighting the West’s hypocrisy and moral poverty.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1774784334492213524



Yes, it's propaganda, but it has a good point. Ukraine is the second most corrupt country on earth after Nigeria.

Patrick says

Quite the claim.... from a dictator. I'm done listening to anything at this point. If I didn't see it or a person I personally know saw it, I'm simply not believing any of it. I give no shits what goes on in the Eastern hemisphere. Let them genocide themselves. I don't give a flying fuck anymore. We're openly at war with Russia without boots on the ground. There'd be zero point in the CIA staging a terror attack. Much of Russia is Muslim. Muslims kill each other in droves. This isn't the CIA for fucks sake.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

And Putin doesn't have yachts and property? How about Obama? My wife makes as much as he did as POTUS and we don't have multiple properties everywhere. Definitely not in Martha's Vineyard.

He's obviously grifting from the money coming in, I won't deny that. But everyone does it in leadership. Putin or some Saudi/Iranian is the wealthiest person on the planet. They can actively kill any opposition and not get in trouble. We're the wealthiest country with the most ethical country out of a basket full of shit countries. Other world leaders laugh at Biden. Like WTF are you doing....? You could be stealing way more. Using a crack head son. No wonder he's so gay about Beau dying. He was smarter than Hunter.

WookieMan says

And Putin doesn't have yachts and property? How about Obama? My wife makes as much as he did as POTUS and we don't have multiple properties everywhere. Definitely not in Martha's Vineyard.

He's obviously grifting from the money coming in, I won't deny that. But everyone does it in leadership.

It's because of scum like you literally polluting society, we have to put up with scum like Obama, Bush, Mitt Romney..

"Oh everybody does it" - yeah, they do NOW because you're untroubled by blatant corruption. Engh, you're like most things I have to deal with.

richwicks says

Engh, you're like most things I have to deal with.

Yourself? I know you don't have a wife.

Russia’s formally-presented demand for Ukraine’s terrorists included but was not limited to the recent Crocus City Hall concert hall attack, which left at least 144 people dead and over 500 injured. Among other reasons, the Russian government cited Ukraine’s assassination of a Russian military blogger, its car-bombing of a journalist Daria Dugina, its bombing of the Crimean Bridge killing several civilians, its recent raids on small Russian border villages, and its attacks on Russia’s polling places during the recent election.

Russia should leave Ukraine alone, even if the terrorists came from Ukraine, because it's Ruzonist oppression! Russia should not be like Israel, and simply accept terror attacks that leave many dead!

Evil Russia commits a war crime if they retaliate for terror!

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richwicks says

WookieMan says

richwicks says

Engh, you're like most things I have to deal with.

Yourself? I know you don't have a wife.

I don't think you have enough self awareness for me to really consider you human.

Lol. Gotcha.

You live in a world where you work on computers. That's your only skill. Yet you fart out shit daily. Do you know ANYONE that served in Afghanistan or Iraq? Talked to them about their experience? Likely no. And I'm not talking about Iraq 1.0. These were not wars. Sure money was spent. That money was spent on American jobs by a large factor. If you don't agree with it, fine. You likely didn't have a job without these "wars."

As it usually goes with you, you hate the game AND the player. Little do you know you likely made the game in your little tech world. You're an angry person without company and it's as obvious as can be. Maybe calm down and find a companion that can deal with this. The attitude is getting annoying on every thread with the same thing being repeated over and over. I know there's ignore, but at some point I can't just watch this shit and let it go unattested. You've said you're in your 50's yet you act like a petulant child. Grow up man.

WookieMan says

You live in a world where you work on computers. That's your only skill.

I have been living in a world where data collection is central, and computers are a tool. This is an informational communication system, something you inexplicably can't seem to understand or make use of. The Internet is more fundamental to change in society than the Gutenberg press was, photography, or audio recording is, by orders of magnitude.

We took it for granted that when you could see what was actually going on in the world, you'd be as outraged as we were. No, you're either incapable of seeing what is obvious to me, or you're incapable of not being an intellectual slave. We vastly over-estimated people as being people. You're not.

Most people aren't people, and I don't frankly care anymore that "people" get offended by this. They still watch television, they still watch "news", they still read the Economist, they still repeat the most nonsense drivel about why war X is happening. They'll still do things like say "well, Trump is a racist", although they won't be able to identify any particular thing, they won't look up data, confronted with data that contradicts the propaganda they have been fed, they will reject their own reasoning. They're machines.

WookieMan says

Do you know ANYONE that served in Afghanistan or Iraq?

A few. I don't particular care to talk to them much. What am I going to tell them "Hey, you do realize that all you did in Afghanistan was triple opium production, cost the US about 3 trillion dollars, and ensure that little male children could be used as sex slaves by the local war lords, don't you?"

If I talk to them honestly, all their bitterness and anger will immediately surface. They know they were lied to, and some of them are angry that the public doesn't know and are ask "why didn't anybody tell me" - well, people like me are censored on the regular.

WookieMan says

That money was spent on American jobs by a large factor.

See. Inhuman. You're not thinking.

Taking tax money to give it to welfare queens is spending money on Americans, it's not productive though. War isn't productive. Nothing is built from war. You might as well just give the money to a person to dig a ditch, and another person to fill it in.

When you say "oh but it's being spend on American jawbs", it just shows a complete lack of comprehension.

WookieMan says

You likely didn't have a job without these "wars."

You have slave mentality. You can't imagine that somebody could have work entirely independent of this stupid fucking government. Inconceivable to you. I regard people who collude with this fucking criminal government, as traitors.

WookieMan says

As it usually goes with you, you hate the game AND the player.

Quit calling it "the player" and "the game".

You're just a sellout whore. If this was 1800, and you were selling slaves, you'd be saying "you can hate the game but don't hate the player". You're just moral garbage and you excuse collusion because you can't face what you are, and you are what you are either through greed or desperation.

WookieMan says

And Putin doesn't have yachts and property?

Putin didn't pay for it with my tax dollars.

https://en-volve.com/2024/04/03/zelensky-who-needs-your-tax-dollars-just-bought-king-charles-former-mansion-for-25-million/

Patrick says

https://en-volve.com/2024/04/03/zelensky-who-needs-your-tax-dollars-just-bought-king-charles-former-mansion-for-25-million/

He knows the war is lost, he's planning his escape.

Our government lied? What a shock.

The US Government Lied About The Ukraine War - Brian Rose & Colonel Douglas Macgregor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBDwltg0MFo

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him recognize the truth.

Stupid Ukey!