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For the Ukey Nazi Fluffers who insisted that the war wasn't caused by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO...you just got kicked in the balls:

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

For the Ukey Nazi Fluffers who insisted that the war wasn't caused by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO...you just got kicked in the balls:

NATO isn't offensive. It's defensive and Europe barely does a thing anyway. Putin was offensive. I really don't give a shit as this is all senseless and I don't have a pony in the race.

If Trump can facilitate a peace deal fine. I really just don't give a fuck about either country and don't want to deal with either, give munitions or aid. This never had to happen. We bought damn near 1/3 of the US with the Louisiana purchase.

We're talking a swath of land the size of Delaware or New Jersey roughly. Stop fighting. Russia pays for the land. Ukraine agrees to not join NATO. This isn't complicated. From a US standpoint we reduce some of the sanctions, get mineral rights and move on.

Problem is Euro trash and Russia trash. The fact Putin cannot even speak broken English as a former KGB agent and world leader is insane. He's an idiot.

WookieMan says

NATO isn't offensive. It's defensive

The Russians don't see it that way. And their opinion matters far more than your's or mine do. Did you or I personally go to war over the? No

It is THIS concept what Ukey Nazi Fluffers refuse to grasp. Instead they stick to "Well I don't agree with the Russians, so there!"

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

It is THIS concept what Ukey Nazi Fluffers refuse to grasp. Instead they stick to "Well I don't agree with the Russians, so there!"

I don't agree with either side. Both are retarded and we shouldn't spend money on it at all. If Russia is that scared of bull shit NATO they are pussies. Russia clearly cannot conquer a relatively Russian populace (friends) in 3 years in a medium sized country.

Trump is spot on. This is a waste of time and life. Biden just sent money to kill people and some of the friendly fire from munitions killed Ukrainians at my cost. This is dumber than Iraq and Afghanistan. Literally for a road to Crimea? That's literally what this is. 100's of thousands maimed or killed over a fucking road to a port.

This all could have been settled for $100B roughly and an agreement not to join NATO. Both parties are completely retarded. No surprise though...

WookieMan says

I don't agree with either side

AGAIN, it doesn't matter what you or other armchair geostrategists 'agree' with.

Are you at war with Ukraine? No? STOP Do not pass GO! Do not collect $200.

Yes? Then your opinion matters.

In spite of all the nay sayers, from the very beginning, Col. Douglas Macgregor stated that Ukraine had NO CHANCE in defeating Russia.

Watch this latest expert analysis provided by Macgregor in this interview conducted by Tucker Carlson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbd6HAziaE

RayAmerica says

In spite of all the nay sayers, from the very beginning, Col. Douglas Macgregor stated that Ukraine had NO CHANCE in defeating Russia.

So what? Anyone with a brain saw that.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

RayAmerica says

In spite of all the nay sayers, from the very beginning, Col. Douglas Macgregor stated that Ukraine had NO CHANCE in defeating Russia.

So what? Anyone with a brain saw that.

Hasn't happened in 3 years. Mcgregor has been wrong. I have no interest in Ukraine but that guy is an idiot. He moved the goal posts to make him "seem" right and make money even though he's a legit idiot.

Tucker is also desperate to make money. I don't consider him a journalist. Tucker is a bull shit artist. "I used to drink and smoke and now I don't." Bull shit. He's a liar. He's no different than Matt Lauer. Power and money corrupts 95% of those that get it.

WookieMan says

Hasn't happened in 3 years.

What hasn't happened in three years? Ukraine defeating Russia? Correct.

Nor could it ever. The deck was stacked against them from the beginning.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

WookieMan says

Hasn't happened in 3 years.

What hasn't happened in three years? Ukraine defeating Russia? Correct.

Nor could it ever. The deck was stacked against them from the beginning.

At ZERO point on this forum did i EVER say Ukraine would win head to head. I've pointed out obvious facts. Russia is not the military they claim they are. If all it takes is a little Western aid to stop the supposed 2nd best armed forces on the planet, that's a load of bull shit.

Even if Russia gets the land they're still the losers in this. They tore it up. Have to rebuild it. Lost many men and military assets in the process. Ukraine got plenty of supplies and money from NATO countries, not being in NATO. They are in NATO as a proxy.

Putin didn't do anything good for Russia. IF there's a peace deal it will take at least a decade to rebuild what was destroyed.

They will go at it again before everything is rebuilt just so Ukraine can fuck with Russia. This is probably a 20-30 year war with peace in phases. 4 years is about the lifespan of modern wars. We were policing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not fighting and some of our troops got whacked by an IED. Our loses were less than Chicago in the same time period.

Also Z is not going anywhere. There will be no elections for a while. He'll kick this back off in a few years when current teens hit fighting age and he'll essentially be a dictator. This is how Eastern Europe and Russia have always worked.

This will technically be a loss for Russia even if they get the land. Ukraine is already NATO at this point. Sweden and Finland are in on it now as well. I not sure how any of this is a win for Russia. Fine, they killed more people, congrats?

There was nothing stopping Russia from saying these are ethnic Russians and let's just make a land deal. Nope, they thought their military was better than they thought and now have 3 new NATO neighbors, with one being by proxy.