patrick.net

Afterparty in Kherson airport:

https://youtu.be/Ybxq-hNBLqU?source=patrick.net

I notice yet another change of tone on Russia-sponsored propaganda channels. In the past, the message shifted from "Russia won't invade" to "Russia is here to stay" and "Easy win for Russia", then to "Ukrainians shouldn't sacrifice their lives". Not in the pure form, it's always a bit of a mix, but there's a vector.

I'm now seeing glimpses of something new: "We are fighting against entire west", "We are the protectors against Nazis", "Moral savagery of Ukrainians". I.e. something that aims at gaining moral ground, assuming the pose of a victim even.

This is a big change from the muscle-flexing and "woe to the losers" message that they were pushing in the early days.

https://youtu.be/2WLVzVulCcM?source=patrick.net

mostly reader says

This is a big change from the muscle-flexing and "woe to the losers" message that they were pushing in the early days.

I don't recall them ever indicating that.

Anyhow, time will tell what the outcome is. I can't imagine Russia losing, but we'll see.

Given the amount of propaganda we have in the US now about this war, I expect this to be a very decisive military win for Russia, and I expect all US assets in Ukraine to be ultimately removed - from Hunter Biden's bullshit job, to the biological "research" labs. It's just a question of how many people are going to die.

The fall of Ukraine will be portrayed as "those evil Russians and poor Ukrainians!" - regardless of what the end result is for the Ukrainians. If Russia entirely destroyed the oligarchy and removed all the corruption of Ukraine (I know that's not going to happen) it will still be "those poor Ukrainians!"

But time will tell.

I think you're right @richwicks

One constant will be lies in the corporate media and fools who simply believe whatever lies make them feel better in some way.

richwicks says

I don't recall them ever indicating that.

Are you saying that you follow Russia-sponsored propaganda channels? In Russian? See, it's important to follow the message intended for internal consumption. I've already assumed that you do, so it's a rhetorical question. Shall we compare notes, comrade?

Patrick says

I think you're right @richwicks

About Russia not losing? This may be a good time to put ourselves on record, just to see who's model is closer to reality. We just need to define what "losing" vs "not losing" is.

https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1504540191352139782?source=patrick.net

mostly reader says

Are you saying that you follow Russia-sponsored propaganda channels? In Russian? See, it's important to follow the message intended for internal consumption. I've already assumed that you do, so it's a rhetorical question. Shall we compare notes, comrade?

Are you getting your news from Globalist-sponsored propaganda channels, the same ones who claimed the COVID vaccine was essential and extolled Fauci's claim it "works" on all the variants, too? That said 1/6 was as bad or worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11? That claims the inflation is not monetary caused, but caused by Putin and "Big Business" taking on a few extra pennies?

AmericanKulak says

Are you getting your news from Globalist-sponsored propaganda channels

Not at all! Specific comment that triggered the "mostly writer" was obtained from the opposite of what you describe as Globalist-sponsored propaganda. It was obtained from pro-Russian sources.

Here's one example: ...

This guy is a definition of a Rashist, and his narrative confirm to the dot this new development in the pattern that I described.

Edit: removing the URL because I don't want to promote Nazis. Will unicast if someone is interested, as long as it's not shared publicly. It's in Russian, no translation.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I don't recall them ever indicating that.

Are you saying that you follow Russia-sponsored propaganda channels? In Russian? See, it's important to follow the message intended for internal consumption.

I do not follow any corporate or state sponsored propaganda

It is a total waste of time to listen to any of it. I cannot stress this enough. If you are wasting any time listening to something that is called "news", you're listening to a narrative to control a population. That's its ONLY purpose and has been for at least 30 years in this country.

Pravda has no truth, and Izvestia has no news. Well, do you think that changed?

If you want to have any hint of truth, go read Samizdat. It might not be correct, but it's not designed to create a narrative.

And this:

mostly reader says

Edit: removing the URL because I don't want to promote Nazis. Will unicast if someone is interested, as long as it's not shared publicly. It's in Russian, no translation.

I don't think you have to worry about Nazis here, honestly. I've only met one person that comes close to a fanatic, and he's a Shikh.

You know what I think is going on? I think the US is about to go into hyperinflation, and that China and Russia were about to dump the dollar regardless. The assholes that be in the United States and Europe needed something to blame the collapse on, besides them. They are doing cartwheels that they finally got Putin to do something. They've been trying for 20 years to get this outcome.

richwicks says

I do not follow any corporate or state sponsored propaganda

So here's the summary:
- I point out a specific pattern in Russian-biased propaganda
- You quickly step in and state that you observe no such thing
- You then state that you don't follow Russian propaganda sources.

That reference to Russian-biased sources was a fundamental part of my point. Which, I see, escaped you. If only your reading prowess were close to your writing prowess.

mostly reader says

This guy is a definition of a Rashist, and his narrative confirm to the dot this new development in the pattern that I described.

Edit: removing the URL because I don't want to promote Nazis. Will unicast if someone is interested, as long as it's not shared publicly. It's in Russian, no translation.

List some sources instead of being coy.

I've been using NON-Congress Party Indian Sources often. English and a different perspective from a Non-Western but Non-Communist source.

mostly reader says

So here's the summary:
- I point out a specific pattern in Russian-biased propaganda

I care about what the Russian government says.

I ignore propaganda unless it comes from the government.

This is the funny thing, today, the Russian government is more credible than the American government is.

mostly reader says

That reference to Russian-biased sources was a fundamental part of my point. Which, I see, escaped you.

I realize I can still be seeing propaganda from a government official. I know that, but who am I listening to? Some asshole on Russian television?

I expect and understand propaganda is used, but I don't know how much control the Russian government has over their media. In the US, it's absolute now.

Like Youtube - which is Google. IF they make their money from the advertisements there (and they don't) they would want to have as many viewers as possible. Instead, they engage in very clear political censorship. As a result, there is Rumble, Odysee, Bitchute, Brand New Tube, Brighteon, Daily Motion, D-live (live only), Freevoice, New Tube, and others that exist ONLY BECAUSE youtube does censorship. Rumble is a clear competitor, Bitchute is as well. I see cute dog and cat videos on Rumble too, it's very general.

Our media, is all government controlled. This is an error. The government needs feedback so they can know when they are fucking wrong, and doing something stupid. That was the strength of our country once.

I don't know how much Russian media is controlled, but it can't be worse than the USSR's control.

AmericanKulak says

Could be staged, quite easily.

BTW that monitor is quite odd. I understand there's widespread poverty there, but that monitor looks like a late 1990's television or computer screen. You can tell both by the thickness of it, and the size of it.

richwicks says

BTW that monitor is quite odd. I understand there's widespread poverty there, but that monitor looks like a late 1990's television or computer screen.

Russians and Ukrainians pride themselves in making items last for generations. They consider the west quite wasteful and lacking in resourcefulness when westerners replace serviceable equipment. Also, not sure that area has transitioned to OTA digital broadcasts. May still need a SECAM TV to get television.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

BTW that monitor is quite odd. I understand there's widespread poverty there, but that monitor looks like a late 1990's television or computer screen.

Russians and Ukrainians pride themselves in making items last for generations. They consider the west quite wasteful and lacking in resourcefulness when westerners replace serviceable equipment. Also, not sure that area has transitioned to OTA digital broadcasts. May still need a SECAM TV to get television.

I'd agree the west is quite wasteful.

I'm on a 7 year old computer. I'll upgrade when it becomes worthwhile to reduce the energy consumption and I'm not certain that will happen any time soon. This thing is still a beast but eventually, the cost of the energy to power this will require it to be replaced.

A product is proportional to the energy it takes to make, when a product's energy consumption outstrips the cost of the device + the energy consumption, time to dump it. This machine I'm on, can simulate every machine I ever owned up until 2000, and uses less energy than the original machines used to do it. If I want to play a Playstation 1 or an SNES, it doesn't make sense to use the original hardware in any sense.

Quite an impressive time we live in. BTW - both of those machines can be simulated on a 10 watt raspberry pi computer. It's mind blowing.

mostly reader says

Patrick says

I think you're right @richwicks

About Russia not losing? This may be a good time to put ourselves on record, just to see who's model is closer to reality. We just need to define what "losing" vs "not losing" is.

The question is, what did Putin have to lose by moving in troops to “save Ukraine from the evil west and Nazis.” It would seem that what he had to lose was small compared to the goal in mind. I don’t claim to know fully what his aims are but it seems to me he is holding all the cards and the longer the Ukrainian President holds out seeking handouts from the west to prolong the war, the more the Ukrainian President is responsible for the prolonged suffering of the Ukrainian people.

Ukraine only has two choices, serve the western oligarchs, or serve the Russian oligarchs. Putin seems to want to save the Ukrainian people from the western oligarchs, and has dared the west to stop him. The west won’t stop him, and he knows it. Do you think Mitt Romney or Joe Biden care about the Ukrainian people? They don’t even care about the American people as they sit in their Ivory towers and their sons literally rake in millions of dollars from the a Ukrainian energy industry.

So if Ukraine has any sensibility they will realize that they can end the war today, and only they can end it. Even Putin can’t end it because that would defeat the purpose of the exercise, which was to save Ukraine from the evil western oligarchs and their Nazi brigades. And the western oligarchs are just as responsible for the suffering of the Ukrainian people, because they offer false hope that aid from the west will turn the tide. It won’t, it will only prolong the suffering of the Ukrainian people and impoverish with working (middle class and poor) people of the west who have nothing to do with this conflict of oligarchs. To Russia this is similar to USA’s Vietnam war, except even more personal to them because the people they came to save speak Russian! And while I’m sure Putin would prefer not to destroy infrastructure of Ukraine, he , like the American Generals in Vietnam might believe they have to destroy some villages in order to save them.

I don’t condone what Putin is doing, but let’s be honest American presidents have done similar or worse. And while what Putin is doing might not be morally pure, he does hold all the cards. That is, unless the west is willing to take him out? Of course the last time America took out a dictator it ruined Iraq and essentially made it a staging area of Iran and other enemies of the USA. Be careful what you wish for. Putin is bad, but getting rid of him is probably much worse for Russia, Ukraine and the American people than just giving him what he wants.

PeopleUnited says

So if Ukraine has any sensibility they will realize that they can end the war today, and only they can end it.

From what I hear, and of course that is suspect and unreliable, is that the NeoNazis of Ukraine think they will be tried, then executed if Ukraine surrenders.

Ukraine is run by criminals, just like our nation is. If they lose in this war, it's the end for them, and if they are psychopaths (like our nation's "leaders" are) they have nothing to lose by fighting to the end.

Governments do not work for their populace. That's been my conclusion for over a decade. Governments work to sustain themselves. It's just a mafia.

PeopleUnited says

And the western oligarchs are just as responsible for the suffering of the Ukrainian people, because they offer false hope that aid from the west will turn the tide. It won’t

It's a false dichotomy, that it's good versus evil. It's just evil against evil. The West is the salvation of the current criminals in power, not the people under them.

PeopleUnited says

To Russia this is similar to USA’s Vietnam war, except even more personal to them because the people they came to save speak Russian!

I'd LIKE to think this, but no - the Russian government doesn't care. They are concerned about NATO weaponry, they don't care about the people in the Donbass, if they did, this would have happened over 7 years ago.

PeopleUnited says

And while I’m sure Putin would prefer not to destroy infrastructure of Ukraine, he , like the American Generals in Vietnam might believe they have to destroy some villages in order to save them.

We will see. That's what is interesting about this, the destruction doesn't seem to compare to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or Syria - but I can only see what is offered to me.

PeopleUnited says

Putin is bad, but getting rid of him is probably much worse for Russia,

I don't know if he is.

I hope the war is short, with minimal deaths. I think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender. I think the only difference between immediate surrender and fighting, is how many people die. I think Ukraine should have accepted Russia's demands MONTHS ago, and I think, perhaps incorrectly, that this war would have been avoided.

I blame the United States for this. I blame them because I'm absolutely convinced that the US overthrew Ukraine and then made false promises. War is just state sanctioned murder but I also realize if you cannot reason with an aggressor, you have to murder.

All of this could have been avoided, but we have psychopaths in power.

It's a terrible situation, but my criminal murderous government, seems to delight in them. I want us to be a moral nation again, but the problem is that our population doesn't recognize we have an immoral government, and won't hang the bastards.

richwicks says

BTW that monitor is quite odd. I understand there's widespread poverty there, but that monitor looks like a late 1990's television or computer screen. You can tell both by the thickness of it, and the size of it.

HeadSet says

Russians and Ukrainians pride themselves in making items last for generations. They consider the west quite wasteful and lacking in resourcefulness when westerners replace serviceable equipment. Also, not sure that area has transitioned to OTA digital broadcasts. May still need a SECAM TV to get television.

Yep, it looks like my last TV (TV/VCR Combo), from Philco, early 90s. One of the last TVs made in the USA. Finally got rid of it around 2010 just because I never watched TV.

richwicks says

I think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender.

Not everybody is a cuck.

richwicks says

This is the funny thing, today, the Russian government is more credible than the American government is.

This is not the funny thing. This is the funniest thing. The funniest thing that I heard all day.

You are comparing cold to cancer, match burn to autodafe, paper cut to decapitation. And your comparison is reversed.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

This is the funny thing, today, the Russian government is more credible than the American government is.

This is not the funny thing. This is the funniest thing. The funniest thing that I heard all day.

You are comparing cold to cancer, match burn to autodafe, paper cut to decapitation. And your comparison is reversed.

The Russian government was caught lying multiple times but our very skeptical friend has a blind spot for it. Remember loud assurances that "there is no plans to invade Ukraine" as late as mid-Feb? How about "there are no conscripts fighting in Ukraine" followed by admission that there are indeed conscripts sent to fight in Ukraine after videos of them taken POW has surfaced? SO! FUCKING! CREDIBLE!

ChauvinsKnee says

Not everybody is a cuck.

mostly reader says

This is not the funny thing. This is the funniest thing. The funniest thing that I heard all day.

I thought America was a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic nation born in Slavery when all the Vaccine Hesitant Hick Puritans came to Plymouth Rock with their Gay Tranny Slaves.

Looks like we seamlessly shifted back to the Defender of Democracy, Freedom, and Goodness again very quickly.

"Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war"
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-19?source=patrick.net

Russia is a poor shit-hole country with half the population of the US.

I don't believe they have enough bodies or material to throw at this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrongoPtica/status/1505464478992945155?source=patrick.net

socal2 says

"Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war"
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-19?source=patrick.net

Russia is a poor shit-hole country with half the population of the US.

I don't believe they have enough bodies or material to throw at this.

Great, so no WW3 and nobody needs to commit anything since the situation is under control. Why all the screaming and yearning for WW3 then by the globohomos and zelinsky? Let em defeat russia

The Ukrainians seem to torture people:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505309631542931459.html?source=patrick.net

Patrick says

The Ukrainians seem to torture people:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505309631542931459.html?source=patrick.net

I wonder if "marauder" in this case means a looter. I can see how the Ukrainian public would not object to looters being tied to poles like that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/uawire/status/1505598442248318981?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&source=patrick.net

HeadSet says

Patrick says

The Ukrainians seem to torture people:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505309631542931459.html?source=patrick.net

I wonder if "marauder" in this case means a looter. I can see how the Ukrainian public would not object to looters being tied to poles like that.

One оf the meanings is indeed "looter":

https://translate.google.com/?sl=uk&tl=en&text=мародер&op=translate


In the Western tradition these are usually shot on sight.

RWSGFY says

In the Western tradition these are usually shot on sight.

And then displayed with a placard,
"LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT ON SIGHT!

Onvacation says

RWSGFY says

In the Western tradition these are usually shot on sight.

And then displayed with a placard,
"LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT ON SIGHT!

we really nreded to apply that attitude to blm. instead our politicians all got on one knee and proceded to suck that dick in obedience ritual

HeadSet says

I wonder if "marauder" in this case means a looter. I can see how the Ukrainian public would not object to looters being tied to poles like that.

Wish we had some of that going on during the BLM riots.

Doubt Patrick would be calling it "torture" if some neighborhood dudes in Portland managed to strap a skinny white Antifa loser to a pole and whipped him for burning buildings.

https://nationalfile.com/zelensky-uses-emergency-powers-to-suspend-opposition-parties/?source=patrick.net

socal2 says

Wish we had some of that going on during the BLM riots.

Guess who isn't getting special treatment cause she's all Black and Gay or whatever?

Fucking shit, look at the size of these things:

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505945111171145729?source=patrick.net