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Let's hope Ukraine, the Bread Basket of the USSR, isn't a significant producer in comparison to Russia.

I'm going to make a bet. I bet people start to starve in the West, and Russia will feed their population. We find out in 9 months or so.

richwicks says

Show me where I have. Quote me.

I have. Repeatedly. At some point I dedicated a post to your use of gray propaganda: https://patrick.net/post/1344073/?comment_id=1826473 Are you having memory lapses, or do you pretend to not remember as a way to create friction?

richwicks says

The Russians do? Point out specific examples.

Let's take JUST ONE event, MH17.

- Claim by the "uprising" official talking head, Girkin, that the dead bodies were old and therefore already dead. The claim which was then echoed in Russian MSM. Note quotes in "uprising" - Girkin is a Russian militant who was dispatched to the Eastern Ukraine to stir shit in 2014.

- Invented Spanish air dispatcher Carlos.
A bit more on this.The fuckers desparately held on to the version that it was air-to-air rather than surface-to-air missile. The invented air dispatcher was supposed to confirm that there were military plains next to MH17. They further WENT TO WIKIPEDIA AND CHANGED TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF Su-25! The airplain with service ceiling of 23Kft could now climb and fight at 30K+.

- They further produced a doctored photo from "spy satellite" which showed a fighter plane shooting a missile towards MH17. The fuckers couldn't even produce a believable forgery: it turned out that the size of the fighter plane, as it compared with other elements on the photo, should've been around 6 miles.

I gave 3 just for practical purposes. In reality, there's more like 300 examples of them fabricating lies just on this topic: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?text=MH17&date=&per_page=&source=patrick.net Go through the entire list and come back enlightened.

I wonder why you challenged me for examples. Did you not know any of it? Explain.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Show me where I have. Quote me.

I have. Repeatedly. At some point I dedicated a post to your use of gray propaganda: https://patrick.net/post/1344073/?comment_id=1826473 Are you having memory lapses,

Look, if you deny that the US overthrew Ukraine after you have the audio recordings of Victoria Nuland at first saying that Vitaly Klitschko shouldn't be the next leader

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.

Then saying that Arseniy Yatseniuk should be the next leader

Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.

And that's precisely what happened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957?source=patrick.net

you are either a troll meaning you are lying and know you're lying, or you're a crazy person unable to do basic, simple reasoning. In either case, it's an impasse. There is no point trying to appeal to your reasoning ability, if you have any. I find your thinking to be as trite as Jen Psaki telling the country that the reason gasoline is expensive is because of the sanctions on Russia and then pretending to be dumbfounded that people don't believe that BS.

I'm fully confident that Psaki isn't insane. I'm not so certain about you. Maybe you genuinely do believe the BS? That's just simply insane to me.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

The Russians do? Point out specific examples.

Let's take JUST ONE event, MH17.

Who cares about MH17? It's to no advantage of either the Ukrainians or the Russians to shoot down a commercial airliner. It was an accident, and then it was nothing more than fodder for propaganda. It doesn't matter who shot them down, it was an accident.

https://www.rebelnews.com/french_journalist_claims_americans_are_in_charge_ukraine_i_found_myself_facing_the_pentagon?source=patrick.net

A French journalist and senior international correspondent for mainstream publication Le Figaro, Georges Malbrunot, claims that Americans are “in charge” of the Ukrainian war effort on the ground.

Malbrunot, who returned from Ukraine, after he accompanied French volunteer fighters on the battlefield, said that he was surprised to find out that Americans are “commanding” efforts on the ground. The journalist made his remarks to French global news channel CNEWS, the second most-watched news network in the country.

“I had the surprise, and so did they, to discover that to be able to enter the Ukrainian army, well it’s the Americans who are in charge,” said Malbrunot.

French reporter returning from Ukraine "Americans are directly in charge of the war on the ground." pic.twitter.com/m5yr7far6N

— no one (@antiwar_soldier) April 11, 2022
Malbrunot asserted that he and the volunteers he was accompanying were “almost arrested” by the Americans, whom he said were in charge. Malbrunot claims that the volunteers were forced to sign a contract agreeing to fight “until the end of the war.”

“And who is in charge? It’s the Americans, I saw it with my own eyes,” claimed Malbrunot. “I thought I was with the international brigades, and I found myself facing the Pentagon.”

Malbrunot pointed out that America has been providing Ukraine with armed switchblade suicide drones, as previously reported by Rebel News.

On April 10, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin shared a photograph of himself speaking to Ukrainian soldiers training on how to use the cutting edge weapons on a video conference call.

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin speaks to Ukrainian soldiers training on switchblade drones in Biloxi, Mississippi before they return today to defend their country pic.twitter.com/awUaoySgeH

— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) April 10, 2022
Following the interview, Malbrunot tweeted that British SAS units “have been present in Ukraine since the beginning of the war, as have the American Deltas.” The journalist cited a French intelligence source for his claim.

“The Russians don’t ignore it, they know what the secret war is,” his source purportedly told him.

La visite de Boris Johnson à Kiev confirme la place de Londres comme premier allié de l'Ukraine. "Les unités d'élite des forces spéciales SAS sont présentes en Ukraine depuis le début de la guerre, de même que les Delta américaines", confie une source française du renseignement. pic.twitter.com/6ziTj4Dpst

— Georges Malbrunot (@Malbrunot) April 9, 2022
The claim that British and American special forces units are operating on the ground in Ukraine runs contrary to public statements by both the U.S State Department and the British Foreign Office, which asserted that there would not be any “boots on the ground” in Ukraine.

richwicks says

Look, if you deny that the US overthrew Ukraine after you have the audio recordings of Victoria Nuland at first saying that Vitaly Klitschko shouldn't be the next leader

I explained point by point how you went from fact from fiction - that's what "gray" does. I further asked a question: now that we know that her line was compromised, why is it the worst that they could produced? Why are there no other recordings? Crickets.

richwicks says

Who cares about MH17? It's to no advantage of either the Ukrainians or the Russians to shoot down a commercial airliner. It was an accident, and then it was nothing more than fodder for propaganda. It doesn't matter who shot them down, it was an accident.

Bullshit. There is a reason why Rashists denied it with such vigor. If they admitted that, then they would also have to admit sending BUK and the crew to Ukraine, something that they viciously denied. Accident? Sure. "Doesn't matter?" Oh, sure it does. It pulls the ground from the likes of you who claim "civil war" lead by "farmers and coal miners" against evil Kyiv.

Is that all? No, that's not all. You challenged me on examples of Rashist propaganda making shit up. I produced such examples. I specifically picked MH17 because it's well documented. This is when you either debate the fact or shut up. Shut up after you explain why you challenged me in the first place that is. Where you not aware of the blatant lies of Rashists propaganda?

mostly reader says

I explained point by point how you went from fact from fiction

Again, your reasoning is, well, obviously fallacious to me.

Either you can't reason, or you are a troll. We are at an impasse. I can't see any reason to engage with talking to somebody who thinks they are being reasonable and to me, seems obviously unreasonable.

I could spend some time explaining why it's irrelevant how long the protests were going for, that Nuland had a single recording intercepted and may very well (and most likely was) having conversations FAR in advance about how to shape the Ukrainian government. I could point out that Zelenskyy was offered a negotiated deal brokered by France and Germany to avoid this war, and that he was told to encourage a conflict.

But you can't reason, so why expend the energy.

richwicks says

Again, your reasoning is, well, obviously fallacious to me.

Your opinion is irrelevant. Just focus on the "Now that we know that her line was compromised, why are there no other recording?" question.

On the second point, have you accepted that Rashists propaganda just makes shit up and runs with it?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Again, your reasoning is, well, obviously fallacious to me.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

I wouldn't consider it an opinion, it's a regrettable conclusion.

Either you're a troll - i.e. you are simply lying in order to get a response, or you cannot reason. In any case, I've concluded that it's a waste of my time to converse with you.

richwicks says

I wouldn't consider it an opinion, it's a regrettable conclusion.

Your conclusions are like your opinions: subject to be ignored. They are irrelevant for the lack of merit and general lunacy of the carrier.

Have you accepted that Rashist propaganda makes shit up and runs with it? Or will you again pretend that this conversation never happened and employ the whack-a-mole technique?

Patrick says

I really do find it odd, that American government and the left are so invested into Ukraine. Ukraine isn't leftist, they hate gays there, they are not even on same continent. Yet left goes out of the way in this war. Feels like the left is still fighting the cold war or something... not sure... but it has nothing to do with any of us. Just the extravagances of the billionaire ruling class.

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1514310116211843075?source=patrick.net

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I really do find it odd, that American government and the left are so invested into Ukraine. Ukraine isn't leftist, they hate gays there, they are not even on same continent. Yet left goes out of the way in this war.

I think you're confusing "the left" with "the establishment".

Just like our media characterizes "the right" as being fascist, neo-nazi, Putin lovers, they characterize "the left" as agreeing with everything the establishment does. The "left" I think you complain about are actually just NPCs, not the real left.

The true left and right ignore propaganda, but there's a lot less of them than I previously imagined although the numbers are growing. There's a lot of people on "the left" that aren't on board with the LGBTQ crap for example.

I think the penultimate uncontrollable person is somebody that won't label themselves as either left or right - of course, this is a bit of arrogance on my part, because I'm part of that penultimate uncontrollable group, or at least I may delusionally believe I am. We all think we're right otherwise we wouldn't be the way we are. It will be interesting if I find out, once again, I was wrong in time. Gone through that a few dozen times.

richwicks says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I really do find it odd, that American government and the left are so invested into Ukraine. Ukraine isn't leftist, they hate gays there, they are not even on same continent. Yet left goes out of the way in this war.

I think you're confusing "the left" with "the establishment".

Just like our media characterizes "the right" as being fascist, neo-nazi, Putin lovers, they characterize "the left" as agreeing with everything the establishment does. The "left" I think you complain about are actually just NPCs, not the real left.

The true left and right ignore propaganda, but there's a lot less of them than I previously imagined although the numbers are growing. There's a lot of people on "the left" that aren't on board with the LGBTQ crap for example.

I think the penultimate uncontrollable person is somebody that won't label themselves as e...

good point man. its just frustrating that our government clearly represents ruling class and not us everyday americans. they don’t even pretend anymore, at least in the past it was important enough to pretend that we voters matter. our system outlived its usefulness

Fortwaynemobile says

good point man. its just frustrating that our government clearly represents ruling class and not us everyday americans. they don’t even pretend anymore, at least in the past it was important enough to pretend that we voters matter.

At least people are beginning to realize this. This has been going on for at least 30 years. Groups are purposely misrepresented, people are as well.

Fortwaynemobile says

our system outlived its usefulness

That depends on what you mean by "our system".

Our system is a good system, but it was overthrown decades ago. This is actually an oligarchical dictatorship, and most people wouldn't call that "our system". They create internal conflict so we don't concentrate on the enemy, which is the oligarchical dictatorship. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty it is said. I don't think there's been much vigilance from 1970 to 2010. People are finding their ballsack again just recently.

All this stupid insipid propaganda, calls for censorship, actual censorship, crackdowns on peaceful protesters, allowing violent thug protesters to run riot - this is just them doubling down because people are finally pulling up the rug again to show the dirt. All these actions are signs of desperation and weakness, not strength.

What's important and different today is we can record it all. We can actually warn the future generations and show them how this shit works. I have great hope for the future. More than I did 20 years ago - I gave up back then.

Confirmed by the official Russian news agency:

MOSCOW, 14 April. /TASS/. The cruiser "Moskva" of the Black Sea Fleet was seriously damaged as a result of the detonation of ammunition that occurred as a result of a fire, the crew was evacuated. This was reported in the Russian Defense Ministry.

"As a result of a fire, ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser. The ship was seriously damaged. The crew was completely evacuated," the military department said.

The ministry said the cause of the fire is under investigation.

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14372453?source=patrick.net
https://archive.ph/9svF1?source=patrick.net

Neptune (Ukrainian: Р-360 «Нептун», romanized: R-360 "Neptun") is a Ukrainian anti-ship cruise missile developed by Luch Design Bureau.

Neptune's design is based on the Soviet Kh-35 anti-ship missile, with substantially improved range and electronics.[1] The system is designed to defeat surface warships and transport vessels with a displacement of up to 5,000 tons, either in convoys or moving individually.

The system entered service with the Ukrainian Navy in March 2021.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(cruise_missile)

This one is special: a guy named Medvedchuk is now enjoying liberation festivities. He was a close ally to Putin, and Putin is a godfather to his daughter, all the while he was also head of administration of the president of Ukraine during Yanukovich and a top-tier Ukrainian politician afterwards. That's right: one of Putin's insiders was also a top tier politician in Ukraine. It just goes to show how deep that octopus grew it's tentacles into Ukraine.

Being the carrier of some juicy info about preparations for the liberation, he was too shy to stick around for the party and apparently escaped into one of the neighboring states.

Not to worry: as a result of operation by Ukrainian intelligence he joined the party in a secret ballroom, presumably in Kyiv. Everyone is wondering how much vodka it'll take to get him loose and talkative.

Eric Holder says

The ministry said the cause of the fire is under investigation.

I'm sure it was disregard for safety. Those damn smokers just can't keep it in the designated areas.

BBC:

More on Russia's Moskva missile cruiser, which Moscow says has been badly damaged by a fire.

Ukraine earlier claimed the warship was hit by Ukraine-made Neptune missiles.

Ukrainian presidential aide Oleksiy Arestovych said Russian rescuers were unable to reach the vessel, which could have had as many as 510 crew members on board.

"It has been confirmed that the missile cruiser Moskva today went exactly where it was sent by our border guards on Snake Island!" Odesa regional governor Maksym Marchenko wrote in his Telegram post.

mostly reader says

Eric Holder says

The ministry said the cause of the fire is under investigation.

I'm sure it was disregard for safety. Those damn smokers just can't keep it in the designated areas.

Could be one of these fire-breathing birds, genetically modified in a secret US-financed Ukie bioWEAPONS lab to carry terrorist attacks on innocent Russian ships....

Eric Holder says

Confirmed by the official Russian news agency:

Who is that?

The CIA? CNN? The US State Department?

If it's confirmed by the "official Russian news agency" link to the official Russian news agency. We have translation tools, and we have a pretty laughable and stupid propaganda machine as well.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Confirmed by the official Russian news agency:

Who is that?

The CIA? CNN? The US State Department?

If it's confirmed by the "official Russian news agency" link to the official Russian news agency. We have translation tools, and we have a pretty laughable and stupid propaganda machine as well.

Are you fucking blind? Or is it tears in your eyes? There is a link to TASS - the fucking offcial fucking Russian agency right there in the post you're responding to.

I will s_l_o_w_l_y copy it here, specially for you:

------------> https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14372453?source=patrick.net <---------------------

Enjoy.

PS. Let me know if you need help with translation.

Eric Holder says

Enjoy.

PS. Let me know if you need help with translation.

Why are you competent with translation?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Enjoy.

PS. Let me know if you need help with translation.

Why are you competent with translation?

translate.google.com, duh!

To add insult to the injury this Ukie Post stamp have been officially rolled out yesterday:

RWSGFY says

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Enjoy.

PS. Let me know if you need help with translation.

Why are you competent with translation?

translate.google.com, duh!

It's interesting to see the number of NPC droids pop up in the last few months, now that a new distraction has been made available. I'm wondering if you are people or are constructs. I really wonder if there isn't a division in humanity that simply has to parrot and is entirely incapable of thinking.

What I find interesting, is that Ukraine never reports any setbacks at all. Only Russia does.

richwicks says

That depends on what you mean by "our system".

Our system is a good system, but it was overthrown decades ago. This is actually an oligarchical dictatorship, and most people wouldn't call that "our system". They create internal conflict so we don't concentrate on the enemy, which is the oligarchical dictatorship. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty it is said. I don't think there's been much vigilance from 1970 to 2010. People are finding their ballsack again just recently.

All this stupid insipid propaganda, calls for censorship, actual censorship, crackdowns on peaceful protesters, allowing violent thug protesters to run riot - this is just them doubling down because people are finally pulling up the rug again to show the dirt. All these actions are signs of desperation and weakness, not strength.

What's important and different today is we can record it all. We can actually warn the future generations and show them how this shit works. I have great ...

I just want to go back to small government, constitution, where government is small as fuck and can't fuck with any of us. maybe that convention of the states will take off to replace the feds. tired of these feds just fucking with us.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I just want to go back to small government, constitution, where government is small as fuck and can't fuck with any of us. maybe that convention of the states will take off to replace the feds. tired of these feds just fucking with us.

Liberty, the Founding Fathers, the Pilgrims - all talk of them has disappeared in the past 25 years, replaced with Race and Gender(bending).

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/western-dissent-from-usnato-policy?source=patrick.net

Western Dissent from US/NATO Policy on Ukraine is Small, Yet the Censorship Campaign is Extreme
Preventing populations from asking who benefits from a protracted proxy war, and who pays the price, is paramount. A closed propaganda system achieves that.

But what was “unprecedented” just six weeks ago has now become commonplace, even normalized. Any platform devoted to offering inconvenient-to-NATO news or alternative perspectives is guaranteed a very short lifespan. Less than two weeks after the EU's decree, Google announced that it was voluntarily banning all Russian-affiliated media worldwide, meaning Americans and all other non-Europeans were now blocked from viewing those channels on YouTube if they wished to. As so often happens with Big Tech censorship, much of the pressure on Google to more aggressively censor content about the war in Ukraine came from its own workforce: “Workers across Google had been urging YouTube to take additional punitive measures against Russian channels.”

From the Greenwald piece above -
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/western-dissent-from-usnato-policy?source=patrick.net&s=r

And we're not at war with Russia.

Sums it up pretty good:

Illia Ponomarenko, reporter for the Kyiv Independent:

"I keep thinking about this and I find nothing that proves me wrong.

From the Russian side, this is one of the dumbest, most absurd, and idiotic wars in human history.

Literally anything the Kremlin tries to present as a justification sounds like schizophrenic obsessive delusion."

But, but, but....

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1514479073774419970?source=patrick.net

Russian media absolutely losing their shit after the sinking of the Moskva.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1514766062771875851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1514766062771875851%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F04%2F15%2Frussian-media-freaks-out-over-sinking-of-black-sea-flagship-n462646&source=patrick.net

WEF / EU Security Institute makes claim Russians aren't really Europeans. Then doubles down by claiming this:


By that metric, Denmark is really American, since the vast majority of Danish Landmass is in Greenland.

AmericanKulak says

By that metric, Denmark is really American, since the vast majority of Danish Landmass is in Greenland.

LOL!