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Russian media absolutely losing their shit after the sinking of the Moskva.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1514766062771875851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1514766062771875851%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F04%2F15%2Frussian-media-freaks-out-over-sinking-of-black-sea-flagship-n462646&source=patrick.net

WEF / EU Security Institute makes claim Russians aren't really Europeans. Then doubles down by claiming this:


By that metric, Denmark is really American, since the vast majority of Danish Landmass is in Greenland.

AmericanKulak says

By that metric, Denmark is really American, since the vast majority of Danish Landmass is in Greenland.

LOL!

Russian TV propagandists suddenly changed their tune: don't want "denazification" anymore and don't really want the war to continue.

https://vimeo.com/700074916?source=patrick.net

Great lessons. Putin is sacking people for bad advice and/or execution.

How many Pentagon purges did the Bush Admin carry out because of the Iraq War?

We were sacking or "promoting out of the way" scores of high ranking US Generals within weeks of the North Africa landings.

AmericanKulak says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I just want to go back to small government, constitution, where government is small as fuck and can't fuck with any of us. maybe that convention of the states will take off to replace the feds. tired of these feds just fucking with us.

Liberty, the Founding Fathers, the Pilgrims - all talk of them has disappeared in the past 25 years, replaced with Race and Gender(bending).

dude I know. I remember learning about founding fathers.

Last year, our daughter was in online education for a brief period before we got pissed off and sent her to private. Her online classes, since I got to hear and watch all included that retarded gender and race shit. Mostly "women oppressed", "black oppressed", "America is racist". I feel like Americans who create that content, and they are white Americas, are fucking self loathing retards who need to go live in a third world country for a year so they can appreciate America a little more. To this day "Brainpop" videos trigger me, when that fucking robot and beta kid comes out I'm triggered because of all the stupid race baiting shit that was in it.

Moskva is the largest warship to be sunk in action since World War II.The last time a ship of similar size was sunk was the cruiser ARA General Belgrano, which was sunk by the Royal Navy during the Falklands War. Moskva was the largest Russian ship to be sunk by enemy action since German aircraft bombed the Soviet battleship Marat in 1941, and the first loss of a Russian flagship in wartime since the sinking in 1905 of the battleship Knyaz Suvorov by Japan during the Battle of Tsushima in the Russo-Japanese War.

It's 9th, actually, but who's counting...

Patrick says

Preventing populations from asking who benefits from a protracted proxy war, and who pays the price, is paramount. A closed propaganda system achieves that.

I don't think they give a fuck about the populations once they are in power. The 2 party system has this major flaw, no accountability after winning election

gabbar says

The whole "Nazi" thing was designed to trigger purple-haired SJWs and thus stunt lefty governments into inaction while the Butcher of Bucha is achieving his feit accompli. The fact that it triggers so-called "conservatives"* instead is fucking ironic.

*)who were themselves baselessly called Nazis not so long ago.

Eric Holder says

The whole "Nazi" thing was designed to trigger purple-haired SJWs and thus stunt lefty governments into inaction while the Butcher of Bucha is achieving his feit accompli. The fact that it triggers so-called "conservatives"* instead is fucking ironic.

It's just another dumb fucking senseless war the US instigated by overthrowing Ukraine in 2014. People too fucking stupid to realize this wasn't the precise goal of the Neocons are in lala land and can't be reasoned with.

The puppets that have control in Ukraine to end this war do not give a damned about the lives that are being lost. They want and profit from chaos.

Just makes more money for the MIC, allows more bullshit "aid" which will just be funneled back as bribes, and it damages Russia and with any luck Europe which are competitors to the United States.

The bidness of the US is war. They love it

richwicks says

It's just another dumb fucking senseless war the US instigated by overthrowing Ukraine in 2014.

Just another stupid ignorant parroting of a statement thouroughly proven wrong many-many-many times on this board alone.

At least your anti Iraq war rants were more entertaining and (somewhat) better argued. You should probably stick to that. But you don't do these anymore. I wonder why.

Eric Holder says

Just another stupid ignorant parroting of a statement thouroughly proven wrong many-many-many times on this board alone.

I'm not going to argue with somebody that can't trust their own damned ears or brains. I'm sick of NPCs.

If you are truly incapable of using your brain and are allowing propagandists to think for you, there's nothing to discuss. It's a waste of ANYBODY'S time to try to engage with you.

Eric Holder says

At least your anti Iraq war rants were more entertaining and (somewhat) better argued

Victoria Nuland's husband is Robert Kagan, one of the PNAC assholes that came up with the BRILLIANT strategy of putting the US into 100 years of war.

Without dupes like you, they wouldn't be able to do it.

Who am I kidding? You have no idea what PNAC is and it would be a total waste of time to explain it to you. I'm certain you believe to this day that the Iraq war was just an unfortunate intelligence mistake.

Changing your mind or making you think would be like trying to explain to Greta Thunberg the world isn't about to end in a climate catastrophe.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Just another stupid ignorant parroting of a statement thouroughly proven wrong many-many-many times on this board alone.

I'm not going to argue with somebody that can't trust there own damned ears or brains. I'm sick of NPCs.

If you are truly incapable of using your brain and are allowing propagandists to think for you, there's nothing to discuss. It's a waste of ANYBODY'S time to try to engage with you.

I used my brain many times to wipe the floors with that intellectually dishonest and feeble mush sitting in your skull, but you, true to the Danning-Krueger effect you're suffering from, didn't even understand that. I tried sacrasm, mockery, slow and deliberate explanations but all to no avail. You just repeat the same old shit like a broken record. No knowledge, no principles, no value in conversation. Nord Sream in Black Sea. Events reversed in time. Yada-yada-yada... You are not even enterntaining anymore. It's like making fun of some retarded kid.

Eric Holder says

I used my brain many times to wipe the floors with that intellectually dishonest

Pfft. Don't break your arm jerking yourself off

I've shown Victoria Nuland's transcript multiple times and the recording. I trust other people to be able to reason and think and know what they are hearing

I don't need to insult you, claim "victory", or assert "I've wiped the floor with you". I am at the end of my patience in trying to appeal to people's reasoning.

They can see for themselves and if you truly can't see it, you're just somebody with a mental disability to me.

richwicks says

I've shown Victoria Nuland's transcript multiple times and the recording. I trust other people to be able to reason and think and know what they are hearing

And yet you run away from a simple question: now that we know that her line was compromised, how come there are no records of her participation in planning the revolution? You know, the revolution which started some months before the recording? The Rashists have compromised a line of a top level official, yet the best that they could produce doesn't match the timelines of the message which they channel through the likes of you.

If you seek someone with mental disability.. you do have mirrors in your household, don't you?

you guys be good to each other, its just a forum and we have opinions

mostly reader says

And yet you run away from a simple question: now that we know that her line was compromised,

I know who and what NuLand and Kagan are, I've followed her for years. She's a corrupt criminal monster.

In any case, I don't care to spend time convincing you of, what is to me and many others, blatantly obvious.

Of course the US overthrew Ukraine. Nuland has been verbally attacking Russia for near a decade. The coup followed the same basic features of Ajax and PBSuccess. Take over media, foment astroturf unrest, demonize the leader, try to get them to react, fake the reaction if necessary.

They followed the same playbook to install Biden.

mostly reader says

how come there are no records of her participation in planning the revolution?

Where are the records for our coup? Hidden of course.

Tired of talking about this.

> richwicks

I'm asking you a simple question. Your response is - "but she's a criminal because I followed her and I don't care to convince you". Unrelated blabber. That's what you are - blabbering assertions with no substance.

richwicks says

Where are the records for our coup? Hidden of course.

I'm asking you specifically about Ukraine, so cut the red herring. Hidden by who?? Rashists have data from the compromised line, they have the goods! Why not let the juiciest pieces be known to the public, why limit themselves to conversation which is already irrelevant because it mismatches the timeline of the narrative? (your narrative!)

mostly reader says

I'm asking you a simple question. Your response is - "but she's a criminal because I followed her and I don't care to convince you". Unrelated blabber. That's what you are - blabbering assertions with no substance

I no longer care to convince you.

Intelligence from RUSSIA which is where TWO phone recordings are from makes the case. Showing all their cards gives adversaries more knowledge of what Russia knows.

Frankly, the West seems to be in a panic to me. Threats of trying Putin as a war criminal and other nonsense.

Neither China, India, or Pakistan are lining up to support Ukraine, and honestly the support of European leaders is tepid.

We'll see the inevitable outcome in time. I expect Russia to attain their goals which are not expansion. Just a question of how many people Ihor Kolomoyskyi gets killed in time.

The end result will probably be a weakened Russia and a devastated Ukraine. Also, a very weakened west. I wouldn't be surprised to see massive inflation and an exodus of Indian and Chinese tech workers.

richwicks says

Probably Onvacation will find out, he likes going through morality rates.

Mortality, but yeah.

I no longer trust the CDC's numbers. I have old copies of monthly death rates that don't match the new "adjusted" rates. It seems to me that when someone dies of something it should not later change.

I don't trust that our rulers have our best interest at heart.

At least the 2020 election and the Covid scam have opened some eyes. Unfortunately other eyes are more tightly closed.

Trump was impeached because he questioned why Biden extorted the Ukrainian government. Why?

richwicks says

I no longer care to convince you.

And still no answer to the simple question that I asked you. Instead, you throw more "red herring" shit on the fan - Q: "why are there no juicier records of Nuland now that we know that her line was compromised?" A: "but, but Kolomoyskyi made Putler do it and he also crapped in Putler's pants!"

You are definition of pathetic.

P.S. Hey, before I forget - have you accepted that Rashists just invent propaganda points and then run with them?

mostly reader says

P.S. Hey, before I forget - have you accepted that Rashists just invent propaganda points and then run with them?

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

Ghost of Kiev

I'm interested in what MY government lies about. I don't care what other governments lie about.

It's irrelevant. I need to know what my government lies about because it effects the future of this nation.

Our media only has credibility with simpletons at this point. It's a mission to deprive them of even that.

I would like a working information system constructed before I die or totalitarian slavery is this nation's future.

richwicks says

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

I made a specific statement: that Rashists don't even bother with relevance to reality, they just invent their own reality and use it in propaganda. You PRESSURED me for examples. Which I submitted without looking further than surface. And you still, STILL! wouldn't admit it. You wouldn't debate it either because it can't really be debated. Instead, you hide behind more red herring: "Oh, but I'm curious what MY government lies about"

HAVE YOU ACCEPTED THAT RASHISTS PROPAGANDA INVENTS FACTS AND RUNS WITH IT? It's a simple yes/no question. And, on a second note, with examples so obvious why did you bother to pressure me to get them?

It's worthwhile to reassert: explaining your MO by Danning-Krueger effect is giving you too much credit.

mostly reader says

I made a specific statement: that Rashists don't even bother with relevance to reality, they just invent their own reality and use it in propaganda. You PRESSURED me for examples

I wrote you off as somebody that won't do trivial thinking and will accept the most stupid and ridiculous explanations from the US press.

The fact you dismiss the recording of NuLand, causes me to entirely dismiss any thoughts you have entirely.

You might as well be arguing with me about Iraq and ignoring the Downing Street memos, the Office of Special Plans, and insisting our intelligence agencies just made a "mistake".

"Your" thinking isn't worth considering. To be blunt I have absolutely no respect for you or your thinking. I don't care about your opinions and don't believe you are worth much of my time

richwicks says

I wrote you off as somebody that won't do trivial thinking and will accept the most stupid and ridiculous explanations from the US press.

You lie. Again. The questions that I asked you didn't come from US press. At least I haven't seen them asked there.

My guess: you have no answer and use "ad hominem" to appear less pathetic.

To the fun stuff: HAVE YOU ACCEPTED THAT RASHISTS PROPAGANDA INVENTS FACTS AND RUNS WITH IT? It's a simple yes/no question. And, on a second note, with examples so obvious why did you pressure me to get them?

mostly reader says

You lie. Again

Again - I don't care what you think at this point. I TRIED to interact with you - I gave up. Say whatever you please about me, your opinion is worthless to me and I cannot be insulted by you.

richwicks says

Again - I don't care what you think at this point. I TRIED to interact with you - I gave up. Say whatever you please about me, your opinion is worthless to me and I cannot be insulted by you.

Everything that I say about YOU I first say about your POSTS and explain WHY.
The "WHY" bit makes the spanking proper.

Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it?

mostly reader says

Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it?

Here, you see this?

https://www.patrick.net/post/1343769?840#comment-1835223

What's the point in talking to you? There is no point.

I've concluded you just want an argument and are incapable of having a discussion. I can't change your mind, because I concluded quite some time ago, you have no mind to change. I compared talking with you like talking to Greta Thunberg and trying to convince her that perhaps she's wrong, or somebody that believes the intelligence was "mistaken" about Iraq.

You're too dogmatic, so any effort I expend merely communicating with you is a waste of time including this.

richwicks says

Here, you see this?

No, I don't. I see more red herring. I produce unambiguous examples of fiction manufactured by a Nazi (Rashist) state caught in their lies on a MAJOR event. That manufactured propaganda is then thrown left and right in order to lead any conversation on that topic astray. You do what- respond with a "ghost of Kyiv"?

You are wiggling like a snake on a frying pan.

Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it? Yes or no?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Here, you see this?

No, I don't. I see more red herring.

You didn't see my reply?

You literally asked:

mostly reader says

Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it?

I replied with:

richwicks says

mostly reader says

P.S. Hey, before I forget - have you accepted that Rashists just invent propaganda points and then run with them?

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

And you wonder why I write this:

richwicks says

Either you can't reason, or you are a troll. We are at an impasse. I can't see any reason to engage with talking to somebody who thinks they are being reasonable and to me, seems obviously unreasonable.

Why should I bother? Talking to you is just agonizing. But please, continue with stuff like this:

mostly reader says

The "WHY" bit makes the spanking proper.

In all the time I've wasted talking to you, I consider it now a complete waste of time. Talking to a wall is not pleasant and talking to somebody that simply constantly argues with you, isn't either.

richwicks says

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

My POINT was that Rashists use propaganda on a different level and they don't even care about facts. They just manufacture them. On MAJOR topics. Such as topics which confirm their role in the Ukrainian conflict and demonstrate that this conflict is a result of hybrid war that Rashists led for years. It's well documented.

Your response is a non-response. It's more wiggling.

Let's try again: 1) Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it? Yes or no? 2) YOU asked me for examples. Why? You didn't know?

You are incapable of facing the obvious because it destroys the worldview which you are pushing here.

mostly reader says

My POINT

Refer to this again:

richwicks says

What's the point in talking to you? There is no point.

or this:

richwicks says

In all the time I've wasted talking to you, I consider it now a complete waste of time. Talking to a wall is not pleasant and talking to somebody that simply constantly argues with you, isn't either.

or this:

richwicks says

"Your" thinking isn't worth considering. To be blunt I have absolutely no respect for you or your thinking.

richwicks says

To be blunt I have absolutely no respect for you or your thinking.

I must be doing something right then. Being respected by a lunatic would've been a cause for concern.

Repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

mostly reader says

I must be doing something right then. Being respected by a lunatic would've been a cause for concern.

You show no capacity to think. Let me explain something that OUGHT to be obvious to you, but apparently isn't.

Authority and legitimacy of a government is granted to it by trust in the government and authority. If they have to continually lie, and they do, they may not be legitimate. If everything you hear in "news" is false, you have illegitimate authority that maintains its authority exclusively through deception, not honesty.

This is why I'm interested EXCLUSIVELY in US propaganda and misinformation tactics.

mostly reader says

Repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

I've already told you 3 times that OF COURSE everybody uses propaganda.

Propaganda doesn't necessarily have to be false. Propaganda is spreading ideas (true or false) by bypassing their reasoning process - that doesn't mean you are deceiving them. It means you're not bothering to tell them the reasoning process to attain the conclusion.

I'm interested in the legitimacy of this nation. I don't care about Russia's legitimacy, they aren't my problem - that's a problem for Russians. I don't care if they lie.

You think I do. What does it matter what the Russians say about a foreign war? What matters is - what is my government using this war to do, and what are they lying about and to what end?

The US government obviously doesn't care about civilians deaths, the US kills civilians all the time, but then it's "collateral damage" - they just change the terms. The US government doesn't care about accuracy in the media, they care about pushing a narrative. The reason gasoline is at an all time high doesn't have anything to do with Russia, but the Biden administration is falsely claiming that.

It's been pointed out that the beneficiaries of this war will be the United States and China. It makes Russia entirely dependent on just China and India for energy sales (or will in time), and it cripples Europe, but who has been bombing the Middle East for 20 years and to what end? The US is magnanimously offering to sell "freedom gas", in the form of LNG at a significantly higher price of course - ports are going to have to be refitted to handle this, there's money in that as well. Norway will be a beneficiary - England may be as well since they have stakes in the energy production of the Middle East. The US is still targeting Iran, if if LNG is short next year in Europe, well, we'll be bombing Iran in short order I expect just like we were bombing Syria.

Your thinking, the trivial amount you do, is irrelevant. Doesn't matter who wins this war from the point of view of the United States - but if the US divorces Russian / European energy dependence, that's a HUGE win. Under the guise of a pandemic, we have reduced our energy consumption, and its been said by multiple politicians that "this is the new normal". For all I know, Putin is in league with the United States. India will have increasing dependence on Russian energy, and Europe will have increasing dependence on the United States and the UK.

https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses?source=patrick.net

Not that you're going to read it anyhow.

I don't care about Ukrainian Nazis, Russian Nazis, or any of that bullshit. I'm interested in why there are US biological weapons labs there, why the US overthrew Ukraine, what the actions will lead to. I didn't think it would really cause war, but here it is. So what's the purpose of the war for the Americans? It's not to help regular Americans. It's to help the oligarchy at the expense of regular Americans.

To understand what is going on, you have to think like a sociopath, because that's how our sociopathic leaders think. It's your only opportunity to counteract them.

Anyhow, sick of talking to you.

This thinking stuff is too hard.

The Economist Told Me, So Must Be True. All Good Thinking People get their Opinions From Approved Sources, no matter how they contradict what is known. Like COVID Masking helping slow the spread, at least a little because Controlled Lab Experiments trump almost every Public Health Survey on Mask Wearing during Respiratory Disease Outbreaks. And all empirical, real world data on COVID cases and deaths between regions/countries with varying rules.

richwicks says

I've already told you 3 times that OF COURSE everybody uses propaganda.

And each time you've been told that "using propaganda" wasn't the question at hand. Or else, why DID you pressure me to produce examples of something that you now claim is obvious? Even your complete lack of coherency doesn't explain it.

But you doing a switcheroo does. Snake on the frying pan style. You attempt to switch from topic A - "Rashists blatantly manufacturing info and pushing it onto the world." (for which you demanded examples) To topic B - "oh, everyone is using propaganda, how silly of you not to know".

You asked me for examples of A, which you are now attempting to transform to B. Your bullshit is so cute.

So, repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.