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mostly reader says

richwicks says

Again, it's just an insult. All you do is insult. You never explain.

Technically it isn't. However: cry me a river. I don't treat you nearly as poorly as you deserve to be treated, you scum defender you.

Again, you said nothing.

mostly reader says

I noticed that you haven't yet called Bucha, Gostomel, Irpin atrocities fakes. No marching orders yet?

I don't know anything about them other than what my lying fucking government tells me. Why do you fucking trust THEM??

I suspected that the Ghouta chemical attack in Syria was a false flag when it was first reported, because Obozo warned Assad against using such weapons BEFORE the supposed attack. I was expected to believe that Assad is so fucking stupid, and his advisors are so fucking dumb, that they decided to use chemical weapons anyhow, on a city, for no strategic reason that was ever given and invite the United States to bomb their ass as a result. It was senseless. That didn't add up. To this day I don't know if there was a chemical weapons attack in Ghouta or not. If there was, it was probably done by Mi6, CIA, Mossad, maybe the "moderate rebels" - who knows?

But the Douma attack, that I know was fake. I know this because two whistleblowers from the OPCW explained in detail how it was staged and how they came up with nothing for chemical residue.

And my government lied about both of them, they NEVER gave up lying about it. They lie to this day.

Now, what would be the motivation of Russia to murder civilians? How does his work in their favor?

I know why civilians were targeted in Vietnam - it was a guerilla war. The Vietcong would embed themselves in the population and murder soldiers and the civilians collaborated with these people.

I don't put it above my government to lie blatantly. I don't put it past Ukraine's government to do a false flag or to stage an attack. I've seen my government do it, I've seen the "White Helmets" do it - so why are you screaming me to rush to a conclusion? I'll know in a few months, but if you are dumb enough to trust our propaganda, you must be stuck on stupid and gullible at this point. Our government lies constantly - or did we find out how Russia hacked our election yet? They will tell the most RIDICULOUS lies, obvious lies, and you just assume you know the truth and you trust a US installed puppet government in Ukraine to tell you the truth.

You don't have enough information to draw a conclusion, you are making an assessment without having enough data.

richwicks says

Why do you fucking trust THEM??

I said it repeatedly that I don't rely on US government sources of information. It apparently went over you. "mostly writer" at his best.

What those other sources describe is beyond comprehension. Kids killed with their families. Little girls raped. Women gang-raped and then killed, with follow-up incomplete attempts to burn the bodies.

It happened apparently in 3 stages. The 3d, the most devastating one, happened when the Orcs knew they were leaving and felt that they had nothing to lose.

The full scale of what happened there is still unclear because everything is booby-trapped. As in - there's a dead family inside the house, but the house is booby-trapped, so they need to proceed with caution.

I have no sympathy for a cocksucker who pushes this "you can't believe anyone" talking point on a virtual board. Not when it came to this.

@richwicks - I admire your stamina, but at some point, when do you conclude someone's merely a troll?

I guess I understand your motivation if we assume that the counterparty is actually a not a bot(useless to engage) or a shill (who is paid for his efforts), and that you (as you have previously said) are honestly trying to engage them.

Like you, I've tried over many years to expose people to truths beyond the propaganda. Most people who I engaged with looked at me like I was crazy. I mostly focused on medical/health, and now, 30+ years later, the truths I long espoused can't be denied. Given this history, I saw the Coof for what it was. Thankfully, @Rin had the necessary info for effective nutricutical intervention against viral infection.

In the end, I value your responses in that it reveals the true nature of your adversaries. Thanks for that.

stereotomy says

@richwicks - I admire your stamina, but at some point, when do you conclude someone's merely a troll?

Me too, @richwicks has the patience of a saint here. I've only been skimming this thread, but did we get that list of which sources mostly reader uses yet?

RWSGFY says

What he didn't do since Feb 24 is to go on one of his usual anti-war rants.

Yep, I noticed that. It aligned so well with Russia's narrative that it was one of the tell for me classifying him as a propaganda troll.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Why do you fucking trust THEM??

I said it repeatedly that I don't rely on US government sources of information. It apparently went over you. "mostly writer" at his best.

Yet, you are repeating their BS verbatim.

It's like my friend that says he doesn't watch "the news", yet repeats the exact same talking points of "the news". This is because he repeats what his other friends say. Propaganda spreads via word of mouth but it ultimately comes from an authority.

mostly reader says

What those other sources describe is beyond comprehension. Kids killed with their families. Little girls raped. Women gang-raped and then killed, with follow-up incomplete attempts to burn the bodies.

And you're getting this information from whom? Show me.

I watched a 15 year old girl get in front of congress, and sob about what Iraqi soldiers were doing to premature babies in Kuwait. Remember her?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony?source=patrick.net

I don't readily jump to conclusions.

mostly reader says

It happened apparently in 3 stages. The 3d, the most devastating one, happened when the Orcs knew they were leaving and felt that they had nothing to lose.

The full scale of what happened there is still unclear because everything is booby-trapped. As in - there's a dead family inside the house, but the house is booby-trapped, so they need to proceed with caution.

What's your source for this?

mostly reader says

I have no sympathy for a cocksucker who pushes this "you can't believe anyone" talking point on a virtual board. Not when it came to this.

Pfft! You have clear examples where bullshit like this has been peddled before. They did this as recently as 2017 in Syria.

I know what sort of fucking garbage public relations firms like Hill and Knowlton pull. You do too.

So, what are your sources?

Another Nazi Globohomo liberated on sight:

https://youtu.be/_Z9gcV00bMo?source=patrick.net

stereotomy says

@richwicks - I admire your stamina, but at some point, when do you conclude someone's merely a troll?

I don't think he's a troll. I think he's a nut although that might be a little harsh. I don't think he's being dishonest in his professed beliefs. I think he's just incorrect.

stereotomy says

Like you, I've tried over many years to expose people to truths beyond the propaganda. Most people who I engaged with looked at me like I was crazy

Haha. I enjoy being called crazy only to have people realize later on that I was correct. You never get an apology, but you get to feel extra SMUG when they realize you were right all along.

Liberated after friendly chat: https://twitter.com/2022Kharkiv/status/1510598364265603074?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

So, what are your sources?

Happy to share the public ones. Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

So, what are your sources?

Happy to share the public ones. Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian?

Nope, but I can get translations.

Easy to get those today. Might take some time, but I can always do it. So - share your sources.

I'll start with a very well-known one, that will be plenty for you because it's a daily thing.

https://www.youtube.com/c/FeyginLive?source=patrick.net - watch his daily chats with Arestovich (Арестович in Cyrillic)

Arestovich is a Ukrainian intelligence officer with uncanny track record of predictions. "Uncanny track record of predictions" - this is something that your rants SEVERELY lack and which is the ONLY reasonable metric for quality of a source. He predicted bunch of things with uncanny accuracy - Ukraine vs. NATO, Ukraine vs. Russia. He predicted that Russia will invade years ago, and did it with extreme accuracy, time-wise. When he did, his own team labeled him as warmonger. He stayed with his prediction, and it came 100% true.

Furthermore, his info passes my cross-examination from other sources.

That's a start. Once you demonstrate that you actually follow him, I'll share more.

mostly reader says

Arestovich is a Ukrainian intelligence officer

That's a red flag right away, at least when it comes to a US intelligence officer. I can't assess the accuracy of a Ukrainian one yet. I know the CIA and FIB lie constantly. All their public statements are lies.

mostly reader says

with uncanny track record of predictions. "Uncanny track record of predictions" - this is something that your rants severely lack and which is the ONLY reasonable metric for evaluation.
"rants" - your constant insults are so tiresome.

You know who is really good at making predictions of crimes? People who actually are part of committing them.

Remember when Fauci "predicted" that a pandemic would happen under Trump in 2017?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=fauci+predicts+epidemic+in+2017&view=detail&mid=D4092FF5DC5125A43B9ED4092FF5DC5125A43B9E&FORM=VIRE&source=patrick.net

Gee, I wonder how the guy that was funding the gain of research of corona viruses in Wuhan was able to predict a spontaneous outbreak that just coincidentally happened at a wet market, a few blocks away from the research lab?

Uncanny. Must be psychic or something..

mostly reader says

That's a start. Once you demonstrate that you actually follow him, I'll share more.

Why would you make conditions? For what purpose?

If you have sources, just blurt them out.

I think you're quite naive to be putting a large amount of faith in somebody that is engaged in espionage. Their main job is to misdirect the enemy, and quite often, that enemy is you.

Clue: if somebody claims to you that they have, in the past, correctly predicted the future of critical or investment events, in order to influence you today, then you can be 95 percent confident you are dealing with a manipulator or a con artist.

They rely on your accepting their fallacy assertion without checking in order to con you into trusting them. Fly, meet Venus Fly Trap.

A Russian guy takes a stab at Bucha fake: https://kolezev-ru.translate.goog/2022/04/04/bucha/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&source=patrick.net

RWSGFY says

What he didn't do since Feb 24 is to go on one of his usual anti-war rants. These were awesome: several screens long and filled with the righteous indignation. Alas, no more.

Oh, I will, if my nation drags us into another fucking war.

I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand.

The wars the US engages in, hurt the United States. No foreign entanglements.

The United States has bombed:

Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia.

This has cost this country dearly in blood in treasure. Tell me - what were the benefits of any of these wars? Name one thing - just one.

Yet people defend these wars. They hurt this country, the public, the taxpayer, and the people they bomb. NOBODY walks out ahead. I know that part of the reason we're bombing Syria is because Genie Energy has an oil mining operation in the Golan Heights. We're in a fucking war for a company. We're paying for a war so that these assholes can make money:

https://governamerica.com/documents/genie-energy/?source=patrick.net

Oh look, a propagandist, a former CIA head, a trillionaire banker, and an ex Vice President stands to make a fortune on the war and we get to foot the bill, in every conceivable way, and win or lose, it doesn't benefit the United States in any way, whatsoever.

I'm not "anti-war" I'm anti use the United States military as a bunch of goons to steal shit and foot Americans for the bill. If we go to war in Ukraine, it's to protect Biden's business interests. Already suspect that the US has been trashing Russia in part to force Europe to buy American natural gas. This isn't good for Europe. Europe is run by a bunch of traitors to their nations, that are loyal to the same goons that run the United States.

AmericanKulak says

Me too, @richwicks has the patience of a saint here. I've only been skimming this thread, but did we get that list of which sources mostly reader uses yet?

Yeah, ONE person:

https://www.youtube.com/c/FeyginLive?source=patrick.net

https://patrick.net/post/1343769/?comment_id=1832533

A Ukrainian intelligence officer. I wonder if they are as reliable and as honest as CIA and FBI intelligence officers? Did you know we had the most secure election ever according to Christopher Wray?

I will get more sources if I'm a good boy and do what I'm told. Apparently, I only get ONE SOURCE now, but later on, I might get another!!

Ceffer says

Clue: if somebody claims to you that they have, in the past, correctly predicted the future of critical or investment events, in order to influence you today, then you can be 95 percent confident you are dealing with a manipulator or a con artist.

He's on the record. Verifiable record. He gave an interview and explained his reason back in 2019. Then, entire Ukrainian establishment went batshit crazy against him, and another popular media-persona (Gordon) publicly called him a swindler. Needless to say, they all ate a humble pie.

richwicks says

You know who is really good at making predictions of crimes? People who actually are part of committing them.

At the time of making the prediction he was a low ranked officer in the organization. Lieutenant-something I recon. That's when Poroshenko was still in power. You are now saying that he made Putler attack Ukraine. I want to say that you are fucking insane, but I know better (that you are a propaganda troll)

Or did you miss the part in which I explained how he went against the entire political establishment and his own organization in making that prediction?

Now of course he's moving through the ranks like crazy, he's now a colonel I recon. In the course of this war, he was extremely reliable in saying which cities are safe, in which they will counter-attack, and where they'd be having hard time. EXTREMELY RELIABLE. For example, he said upfront that Rashists will not get Kyiv or Kharkiv, but that there may be complications in Mariupol. Will you now say that he single-handedly manipulates the lines of the front?

Or are you trying to justify your own crappy record?

richwicks says

I will get more sources if I'm a good boy and do what I'm told. Apparently, I only get ONE SOURCE now, but later on, I might get another!!

I did exactly what you asked me to do. I gave you a source (in Russian). I forewarned you that it's a handful because it's a daily commitment. I explained my reasons for giving you this one source (based on the track record of the source). I also promised to give more if you can handle this one.

To which you are (predictably) bitching about not getting more while (predictably) trying to discredit the one that you got. "Good boy"? I'll let your handlers say that.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

You know who is really good at making predictions of crimes? People who actually are part of committing them.

At the time of making the prediction he was a low ranked officer in the organization. Lieutenant-something I recon. That's when Poroshenko was still in power. You are now saying that he made Putler attack Ukraine.

No, I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth.

Let me give you an example of somebody that is POSSIBLY not what you think they are.

Edward Snowden may be a double agent whose job was to attack the NSA. Do you know why this is speculated? He worked for the CIA, and the CIA did the SAME THING the NSA did - that is, record all communications of every American on communication networks. That's what Snowden proved - he exposed the NSA doing this, but he never talks about the CIA doing this, and it's explicitly illegal for the CIA to do this.

I'm pointing out, you don't know who the guy is. Intelligence is very weird, and spies, are pretty shitty human beings. Their job is to infiltrate a group, and betray it. That's one of their MAIN JOBS. You never know who they are infiltrating.

There was a woman in the United States back in the 1970's who married a CIA infiltrator in her anti-war group. She had a child with him. He was under an assumed name, lived with her for several years. When the mission was complete, he disappeared, abandoned his SON that he had with her, and went back to his wife. That's how fucked up intelligence is.

mostly reader says

Now of course he's moving through the ranks like crazy, he's now a colonel I recon.

Very convenient..

If you want, let me show you what a spy is like:


original link


mostly reader says

richwicks says

I will get more sources if I'm a good boy and do what I'm told. Apparently, I only get ONE SOURCE now, but later on, I might get another!!

I did exactly what you asked me to do. I gave you a source (in Russian). I forewarned you that it's a handful because it's a daily commitment.

I don't depend on a single source. Maybe you do - perhaps that's why you only gave me one source. I certainly wouldn't depend on somebody in "intelligence" to give accurate, and verifiable information. They are the LAST people I trust. Their job is literally to lie.

What I'm chiefly interested is what happened. You can never know what is going on currently. I gave up on that a LONG time ago. There's too much bullshit and people just don't know what is going on. You can only find out who is full of shit, there's no way to tell who is telling the truth, because the truth comes out months, if not years later. People obsess about what is "currently going on", I don't. I'll listen to a bunch of bullshit and treat it as juggling plates. I've heard a TON of theories on what the pandemic was about, but I don't know what it was about. I've heard it was to tag people, to test people with a new drug, that it's designed to reduce fertility, reduce lifespan, reduce intelligence, just to make money, etc. I hear rumors that the excess death rate has exploded - is that true? I'll find out next year. Probably Onvacation will find out, he likes going through morality rates.

Years later I can look back and say "OH, THAT'S what it was about, I remember X saying it was this.." - I'm leaning toward cover for bailouts but I don't know. If a cup of coffee is $20 next year at Starbucks - yep, maybe.

mostly reader says

I also promised to give more if you can handle this one.

What is the rationale of handing out sources piecemeal?

mostly reader says

To which you are (predictably) bitching about not getting more while (predictably) trying to discredit the one that you got. "Good boy"? I'll let your handlers say that.

I'm just mocking you for making conditions on getting more sources. There's no rationale for it. I leads me to believe you just believe this one guy and that's your only real source, and I have a REAL problem listening to people that are connected with intelligence. In the United States, all they do is lie.

I don't even trust Bill Binney. It was intelligence sources that claimed that Russia hacked our election, and there were 50 of them claiming the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, and NOBODY in the intelligence agencies stood up and said "well, this guy is full of shit". I don't even take them with a grain of salt, I take them with a handful of manure.

I listen to numerous sources, some are obvious cranks and bullshit artists, but they give me something to think about at times.

richwicks says

I listen to numerous sources, some are obvious cranks and bullshit artists, but they give me something to think about at times.

You? Think?? At least you are funny.

Here's a challenge. Go through his past predictions and find the ones that didn't come true. I'll go through them and find those that did. Verifiably true or false. We'll ignore the ones that didn't have time to prove one way or the other.

My prediction: you'll yet again run with your tail between your legs, most likely throwing red herring left and right. Such as "but he's a Ukrainian intelligence officer" type of red herring. You can't deal with a single source, yet you bitch about lack of them.

You are now on the record claiming that a lieutenant caused the war. Or that he was a part of the system which did, but he revealed it to the world, and yet for that he was rewarded (rather than executed) when his prediction came try. This is as idiotic as it gets. That's a job hazard of pushing propaganda beyond facts: clown suit becomes business attire.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I listen to numerous sources, some are obvious cranks and bullshit artists, but they give me something to think about at times.

You? Think?? At least you are funny.

No, I'm absolutely certain.

mostly reader says

Here's a challenge. Go through his past predictions and find the ones that didn't come true.

It doesn't mean anything. For all I know, he's deep cover FSB.

mostly reader says

My prediction: you'll yet again run with your tail between your legs, most likely throwing red herring left and right

Run? Show me whenever I've "run". You are the one that does that, don't project.

I have asked you over, and over and over again to provide your sources - this is the FIRST time you've done it. Once.

Here, I started a thread on mine, but nobody seemed to give a crap:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1336939/2020-12-03-what-do-you-listen-to-in-order-to-learn

That's not an extensive list of course. If you want a group of several sources, I'll give them to you - but I'm removing the cranks. They are more entertainment than information.

I asked you why you're so fucking tight assed about just showing what you go to form your point of view - it's like pulling teeth. You're so goddamned evasive and irritating to try to communicate with. Of course I don't take you very seriously. You push a point of view, but never explain how you come to that conclusion. I provide sources for mine all the time.

mostly reader says

You are now on the record claiming that a lieutenant caused the war.

Quote me. Jesus. Are you really this broken? No wonder you're so impossible to talk with, you can't understand what people actually write.

Brainwashing is brainwashing.

I'm having a convo elsewhere with a woman who thinks Fat Acceptance helps people's health.

Of course, she can't show any data where fat acceptance makes obesity go down, or makes obesity-caused diseases less fatal due to "acceptance".

It's shocking there's still "I'm Smart Because I Read the Economist" people out there, but there are.

mostly reader says

he's deep cover FSB

If he is, he should be demoted. Because he is doing great job spreading the word about civilian deaths, genocide, and other pleasantries which, as it looks, increase the influx of weaponry from West to Ukraine. He's hurting the Rashists where it matters. If he is FSB then they really should revisit their employment practices.

But you should be giving him A LOT of credibility if you believe that.

richwicks says

Show me whenever I've "run"

You run from any challenge, usually by going to a next topic on the laundry list. As you are doing now.

You literally begged for a source. You claimed that language barrier is not a problem (although you also claim no knowledge of Russian or Ukrainian). You have it. Are you going to listen, or is it "tail between your legs" situation?

mostly reader says

mostly reader says

he's deep cover FSB

If he is, he should be demoted. Because he is doing great job spreading the word about civilian deaths, genocide, and other pleasantries which, as it looks, increase the influx of weaponry from West to Ukraine. He's hurting the Rashists where it matters.

Propaganda doesn't make a difference in a war except for those directly fighting it. It doesn't matter a BIT what Americans think. The purpose of propaganda for US, is that our MIC wants to restart the Cold War. We are going to go back to that terror, or rather, children will. For the next 20-40 years, children are going to be told that nuclear Armageddon can happen at any moment and the adults are going to pay for a massive, and useless, military build up.

The bullshit "war on terror" is over. That was created because the USSR was gone, we were going to get a peace dividend finally. FINALLY our government was going to concentrate on infrastructure. We had a boomtime in the 1990's but that ended with our little Reichstag fire in NYC and in DC. We then started a "war on terror", and just like the "war on poverty" and "war on drugs", it's just an excuse to consume tax payer money. There's no winning it, there's no attempt to win it.

mostly reader says

But you should be giving him A LOT of credibility if you believe that he's FSB.

Nobody in intelligence can be trusted. Period. Doesn't matter what outfit he's in. They are all the same. The purpose of intelligence agencies is NOT to collect intelligence, it's to disseminate propaganda to the public, and misinformation to the enemy. When in the last 30 years have our intelligence agencies been right about anything?

I shouldn't bother to ask questions like this, because you never answer anything.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Show me whenever I've "run"

You run from any challenge,

What challenge specifically?

Quote me and point to a post. Perhaps I missed it.

You won't of course. Meet that ^^^^ challenge.

mostly reader says

You literally begged for a source.

I asked you:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1343769?720#comment-1832523

So, what are your sources?

That's plural. Then when you gave me ONE from a Russian source, on youtube, that censors content, and promoted propaganda. You then placed conditions on additional sources:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1343769?720#comment-1832533

That's a start. Once you demonstrate that you actually follow him, I'll share more.

Then I asked:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1343769?720#comment-1832536

Why would you make conditions? For what purpose?

If you have sources, just blurt them out.

And you didn't answer that. I see no rationale to only limit it to a single source. Explain.

richwicks says

Propaganda doesn't make a difference in a war except for those directly fighting it.

Exposing atrocities and war crimes - is it propaganda? Is that what you called it? If you did, you may be giving a new meaning to "low life".

richwicks says

What challenge specifically?

Shall we start with the one in which you pressed me to release materials which may have hurt other people, but then ran like a bitch when I suggested that you put some skin in the game?

richwicks says

I see no rationale to only limit it to a single source. Explain.

It's not enough for you to get spanked for not following one source. You really want to get spanked for not following two (because I know you won't be following either). Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb2oej0JtxlnywlqoSiHHVQ/featured?source=patrick.net

X-KGB. Only limited access to info which is not widely available, but well informed in public domain and with mad analytical skills. Saves a lot of time: you can use him as a digest for public yet little known data. He probably spends more time every day reading and analyzing than you spend posting, and he has much better talent for what he does than you for what you do.

We both know that you won't be following either of them, and that your interest is less than genuine. For that you will be spanked in due time. But it raises a question: why do you ask? Explain.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Propaganda doesn't make a difference in a war except for those directly fighting it.

Exposing atrocities and war crimes - is it propaganda?

I'd say no, but according to the US Federal government it is - which is why Julian Assange is certain to die in custody.

The question is - are they real and if they are, who committed them? Governments commonly lie in war. My government is happy to pass along bullshit war atrocities when it favors their propaganda. The did with the "White Helmets". They did it when, supposedly, contractors (mercenaries) were being beheaded in Iraq and Syria.

I'm used to governments feeding me bullshit. I expect it.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

What challenge specifically?

Shall we start with the one in which you pressed me to release materials which may have hurt other people, but then ran like a bitch when I suggested that you put some skin in the game?

Sure, why not? Give me a link to my post. Is this the one where you demanded I stay silent if you posted some bullshit?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I see no rationale to only limit it to a single source. Explain.

It's not enough for you to get spanked for not following one source. You really want to get spanked for not following two (because I know you won't be following either). Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb2oej0JtxlnywlqoSiHHVQ/featured?source=patrick.net

So you reference a whole TWO sources.

mostly reader says

X-KGB. Only limited access to info which is not widely available,

Another intelligence asshole. great. i have a deep respect for fuckers that have worked in "intelligence". Putin did, George H. Bush did. Standup guys.

mostly reader says

Saves a lot of time: you can use him as a digest for public yet little known data.

Steve Pieczenik claims to have little known data. He's a hoot, and a compulsive liar.

mostly reader says

He probably spends more time every day reading and analyzing than you spend posting, and he has much better talent for what he does than you for what you do.

Possibly.

mostly reader says

We both know that you won't be following either of them, and that your interest is less than genuine

Depends on how accurate the youtube translation is.

mostly reader says

For that you will be spanked in due time.

I don't view this as a competition.

I know my government lies. I know my government lies about Russia. I know that my government creates false flags. I know Victoria Nuland chose the first leader of Ukraine after the coup. I know my government would not allow autonomy of Ukraine after that coup. I know what my government has done previously in governments they have overthrown and they don't change policy quickly. When our intelligence agencies overthrew THIS nation to "elect" Biden it was practically the same playbook as Operation Ajax and PBSuccess - those were 50 years ago. When they stumble on something that works, they stick with it forever.

mostly reader says

But it raises a question: why do you ask? Explain.

Why do I ask for several sources?

When people are telling lies, they contradict one another. A story has plot holes, almost without exception. Excellent well done propaganda is well researched and a careful story is produced that doesn't contract the propaganda at any level. This is nearly impossible to do. It requires every propagandist to know a full and complete story of the previous lies.

It's a lot easier for a single person to lie than 50.

Speculation of course can be contradictory, people can make mistakes as well, there are errors in reporting. That happens, in the heat of the moment, but in propaganda, there are no retractions, there aren't people eating crow and admitting error. That's the US "news" networks. When is the last time you saw Rachael Maddow, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Amy Goodman, etc - make a retraction?

I've seen Joe Rogan do one. I've seen Jimmy Dore make several. I've seen Aaron Mate make mistakes, Jon Pilger, Glenn Greenwald.. Propagandists never do. Propagandists are like the pope - they pretend to be infallible.

richwicks says

I'd say no, but according to the US Federal government it is - which is why Julian Assange is certain to die in custody.

I'm reacting to YOUR statement, not to that of US Federal Government. I'm asking YOU, not US Federal Government.

richwicks says

Sure, why not? Give me a link to my post.

Are you saying that you don't remember that discussion which lapsed over multiple posts, in which you tried to wiggle your way out of the challenge? Is it really a single person posting under the "richwicks" handle, or multiple agents with a broken communication link??

richwicks says

So you reference a whole TWO sources.

That's two more than I should've given to a cocksucker who pressures for answers but then ignores them when it gets inconvenient. Are you going to follow those two that I gave you? It's a Yes or No question. I know the answer, I just want to make it obvious that you are a dishonest agent.

richwicks says

Another intelligence asshole. great.

Here's a bit of news for you, Einstein. Most people whose opinions matter are a product of some specialized training. Because - guess what? - THEY HAD THE TRAINING. This specific guy is what, 75 years old, inactive and lives in US? He is almost a definition of someone who has the skill but no obvious agenda. And you are now trying to character-assassinate him because - why? - because he's one of the most qualified people, due to the training that he received! You literally can't make this up!

richwicks says

Depends on how accurate the youtube translation is.

YOU posted that you were ok with Russian source. Don't YOU go bitching now about youtube translations after YOU stated that translation is not a problem.

richwicks says

Why do I ask for several sources?

When people are telling lies, they contradict one another...

Why does it matter if you won't be following them and won't be knowing if they contradict one another? It doesn't. With that in mind, your explanation makes no sense. I have to repeat the question: with full understanding that you won't be following my sources, why did you keep pressing about them?
My theory is - because you are a propaganda troll. Feel free to offer yours.

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/tochka-tochka-tochka?s=r&source=patrick.net

Another weekend, another false flag massacre by the Ukrainians, repeated by western corporate media propagandists to manufacture outrage for more weapons, more war, more dead Ukrainian civilians until Russia is bogged down in Ukraine forever and there are no Ukrainians even left to die for the western bloodthirsty empire.

This might be the last one of these posts. It’s just so lazy, obvious, and pathetic now. They want us to believe that Russia wrote “for the children” on the side of a missile and intentionally launched it into a train station packed with women and children fleeing the city of Kramatorsk, in Eastern Ukraine near Donetsk?

That fits the exact M.O. of Russia since the start of the war. Move fast, carelessly, slaughter women and children in the east where ethnic Russians are, write slogans on missiles to make the bereaved angry, and hope they’ll one day forgive the Russian government when a referendum is held there to join Russia. Completely makes logical sense.

There’s only one major problem with this story other than the laziness of the narrative, the writing on the side of the missile, and the entire western media propaganda complex screaming about how evil Russia and Putin are, and that is...drumroll please…the serial number on the missile that shows it’s probably Ukrainian and the fact that it was fired from territory still controlled by Ukrainian forces.

VeBee🇺🇸✝️
@VeBo1991
Like it or not she has a point ! A powerful one ! : MEP Clare Daley calls out the hypocrisy of the EU ! ( and NATO )

PS: Behind close doors EU still deals with Russian defence businesses !

Check out these tactical washing machines in the bed of a liberator's military truck:




Or were they liberated from Nazis?

In Iraq, 10,000 kilometers away from the US, they imagined some threat to their national security. They bombed it, found no threat. And didn’t even say they were sorry. But when right at our border they grow neo-Nazi ultra-radicals, create dozens of biolabs … working on bioweapons, as documents prove, we are told we are not allowed to react to those threats

- Sergei Lavrov, Foreign Minister, Russia
April 2022

Patrick says

There’s only one major problem with this story other than the laziness of the narrative, the writing on the side of the missile, and the entire western media propaganda complex screaming about how evil Russia and Putin are, and that is...drumroll please…the serial number on the missile that shows it’s probably Ukrainian and the fact that it was fired from territory still controlled by Ukrainian forces.

I've heard (take with a grain of salt) that Ukrainians are being "encouraged" to wear armbands. White to indicate support for Russia, Blue to indicate support for the Ukrainian government and none at all for neutral.

Again, I've heard that in Bucha the bodies had white arm bands or none at all. Apparently the mayor announced the parting of the Russian troops and made no mention of the supposed massacre that happened.

I think probably the US is on the wrong side of this war, they always seem to be but time will tell.

Something additionally notable, although not too important, remember when the US claimed Russia had mobile crematoriums? Isn't it odd that they aren't using them now.. Just the level of BS of our government. It's remarkable. They don't even care a little about being internally consistent.

Patrick says

MEP Clare Daley

BTW, she's about as Irish as they come. The face, hair, accent, tone of opposition, and casual clothes are all spot-on.

mostly reader says

Here's a bit of news for you, Einstein. Most people whose opinions matter are a product of some specialized training. Because - guess what? - THEY HAD THE TRAINING.

So the Hunter Biden Laptop was a creation of Russian Intelligence like "50 experts" said was a possibility? Iraq had WMDs and the NLF were almost obliterated in 1968?

If you posted info about Hunter's Laptop in 2020 or 2021, you would be censored by all Social Media as spreading "Misinformation/Russian Disinformation". Miranda Devine and the NY Post
https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/

Including BOTH former DIRECTORS of the CIA and NSA, as well as former National Security Advisors.

Former CIA chief of staff-turned MSNBC pundit Jeremy Bash, CIA director-turned MSNBC pundit John Brennan and ex-director of national intelligence-turned-CNN pundit James Clapper are among the retired intelligence operatives who insisted the laptop revealing Hunter Biden’s shady overseas business dealings, along with a cache of damning emails and photos, was the result of a "Russian disinformation" campaign designed to help keep then-President Trump in office.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-intelligence-pundits-insisted-hunter-bidens-laptop-russian-disinformation

mostly reader says

It's not enough for you to get spanked for not following one source. You really want to get spanked for not following two (because I know you won't be following either). Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb2oej0JtxlnywlqoSiHHVQ/featured?source=patrick.net

Not in English. I checked both the CC and to see if he had videos in English. Nope. All the videos are in Cyrillic, so I can't even suss out the topic.

He also came on Youtube in 2021. Never heard of him, can't understand him, why should I take him seriously?

Are you that hard up for English language, the language of world commerce and academia and media, sources?

How can we comprehend, much less verify, a source in a non-English language on the obviously English language board where 99.9999% of the content is in English other than the occasional Spanish Slang or Latin Phrase?

mostly reader says

X-KGB. Only limited access to info which is not widely available, but well informed in public domain and with mad analytical skills. Saves a lot of time: you can use him as a digest for public yet little known data. He probably spends more time every day reading and analyzing than you spend posting, and he has much better talent for what he does than you for what you do.

Ex-KGB, so his experiences are 30 years out of date.

AmericanKulak says

Ex-KGB, so his experiences are 30 years out of date.

LOL!

mostly reader says

Shall we start with the one in which you pressed me to release materials which may have hurt other people, but then ran like a bitch when I suggested that you put some skin in the game?

Dude, I think you're full of crap.

You're rude, argumentative, abrasive, irritating. How can anybody take you seriously? Do you really expect me to treat you as if you're respectable? Be respectable and I will treat you that way.

Ever heard of David Duke? I've been listening to him lately. He's interesting. He's a PhD historian on Eastern Europe. He has plenty to say about Ukraine and Russia. His take is that a corrupt Jewish oligarchy is intentionally destroying Ukraine and they don't give a damned about the people of Ukraine, in fact, they want to see them die. Basically, it's just the Ukrainian version of Neocons. His assertion is that the people killed in Bucha were murdered by the Azov Battalion, and they were killed after the Russians left. As evidence, he demonstrated that Fedoruk made a public announcement after Russia left and made no mention of civilian killings.

I find it humorous how apoplectic you are that people don't trust the "western narrative" after it's consistently proven itself to be entirely unreliable and false for 2 decades. If CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, PBS, NPR, the US government, Western intelligence agencies, etc are on "your side", history has demonstrated pretty conclusively in the last 2 decades that you have over a 90% probability of being wrong.

I know my nation and who runs it. They will fight to the last Ukrainian because it's lucrative. Their intention is to absolutely destroy Ukraine. That's their goal. That's what they do. They intentionally create conflict. They're maniacs and that's who you have sided with. The same people that have killed MILLIONS in the last 20 years. What was the goal of Afghanistan? Well, it made a lot of MIC companies very wealthy - the goal wasn't to win. The goal of the Afghanistan war was to prolong the war. Orwell warned about this, ironically.

richwicks says

I've heard (take with a grain of salt) that Ukrainians are being "encouraged" to wear armbands. White to indicate support for Russia, Blue to indicate support for the Ukrainian government and none at all for neutral.

I've heard that richwicks is a pedophile, a locker room surfer, and a bum bottom sniffer. But take with a grain of salt.

richwicks says

Dude, I think you're full of crap.

If you could think then we wouldn't be having this enlightening conversation. The best you can do is gather data. You should leave thinking and interpreting that data to others.

Edit: I actually want to dig into this. Where did you hear about the armbands and about those who got shot? What's your source? Is it RT, a mysterious Ukrainian coworker, reddit channel (which one?) Or your curator? Who?

AmericanKulak says

Not in English. I checked both the CC and to see if he had videos in English. Nope. All the videos are in Cyrillic, so I can't even suss out the topic.

And neither you should. The comment was meant for the "mostly writer". HE was the one who insisted that translation is not a problem, but then backpedaled.

To the unified chorus of the coach experts who claim that "his expertise is obsolete" regarding that X-KGB guy. I was talking specifically about his ability to process data. It's a skill, an acquired one. It's based no a number of rules which don't go obsolete, and it itself doesn't go obsolete.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I've heard (take with a grain of salt) that Ukrainians are being "encouraged" to wear armbands. White to indicate support for Russia, Blue to indicate support for the Ukrainian government and none at all for neutral.

I've heard that richwicks is a pedophile, a locker room surfer, and a bum bottom sniffer. No definite proof, take with a grain of salt.

And you try to lecture people on morality, hypocrite, heal thyself.

There's good reason to distrust my government, and the Ukrainian government simply because without question, the US overthrew it in 2014. The idea that Ukraine's current dictatorship would murder citizens for their own gain is also very much within the realm of possibility, because it was the conclusion of Catherine Ashton and Urmas Paet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8&source=patrick.net

Zelenskyy is just a puppet, but Ihor Kolomoyskyi is a monster. He's a mafioso.

Our government kills US citizens for propaganda purposes, I suspect they did it on 9/11 and I DEFINTELY know they did on February 26, 1993 because Emad Salem recorded his dealings with the FBI because he was (correctly) worried that the FBI would attempt to frame him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem?source=patrick.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGer6t3SD6I&source=patrick.net

It's little use pointing this out to you, again, as I have multiple times. I know what my government is, every government is - they are flat out evil. Every country is controlled by a criminal syndicate, and Zelenskyy doesn't give a DAMN about civilians. This works for the United States, as it hurts Russian military capability. That's what the US wants out of this conflict. The more people that die, the better from the point of view of the Neocon sociopaths that run the United States. It's just propaganda for them.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Dude, I think you're full of crap.

If you could think then we wouldn't be having this enlightening conversation

I've attempted to communicate with you. Your assessment of me, is meaningless. It's just another insult. I don't feel I need to ever insult you, I think you do a capable job of embarrassing yourself. Look at how you act. If you're not embarrassed by your behavior, well, that's funny to me.