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General Erich Ludendorff who later admitted his involvement in his autobiography, My War Memories, 1914-1918 (1920) that he told senior officials: "Our government, in sending Lenin to Russia, took upon itself a tremendous responsibility. From a military point of view his journey was justified, for it was imperative that Russia should fall."
General Max Hoffmann, chief of the German General Staff on the Eastern Front commented: "We naturally tried, by means of propaganda, to increase the disintegration that the Russian Revolution had introduced into the Army. Some man at home who had connections with the Russian revolutionaries exiled in Switzerland came upon the idea of employing some of them in order to hasten the undermining and poisoning of the morale of the Russian Army."
Nothing to do with Marx himself.
As for the Revolution:
Lenin was literally put on a sealed diplomatic train by the Kaiser's High Command and given the money to start the first Communist revolution because the Liberal one was going too slowly to end the war.
It was the Kaiser who funded Lenin and got him and his comrades back into Russia to replace the Kerensky government.
https://providencemag.com/2018/03/devil-boxcar-unleashed-lenin/
The Kaiser created the USSR, then Hitler cooperated and traded massive amounts with the USSR, before going to war with the USSR.
Hitler's First priority was to invade Democratic Republics, first, from Poland to Czechoslovakia to Denmark. USSSR was LAST on his list.
All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.
RWSGFY says
All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.
We're talking WW1, not WW2.
Obviously. Which part of my statement above is incorrect? They lost to Zee Germanz who in turn lost to Antanta. And they didn't run out of warm bodies to throw into the fire of war but of various supplies, including even fooking bread, causing hunger riots in the capital, which is mighty ironic if you think about it.
All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.
It’s getting hard to keep up with them all. A second, now-confirmed conspiracy fact appeared in the New York Times Monday, in a wild article headlined “Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History.”
Uh-oh!
Now, I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking about how Joe Biden laughed like a braying donkey when a reporter questioned Ukrainian Nazis, and about how the Times itself has repeatedly promised you that there are no Nazis in Ukraine, zip, zero, not even one, because Putin. Putin is the real Nazi, if anybody is, they said. Stop spreading misinformation, they said.
Listen. This story isn’t about Ukrainian Nazis, not really, nor about the inconvenient fact Putin has apparently been telling the truth since Day Zero. (Don’t fret about that, scum like Putin don’t deserve apologies.) No. This story is about how the fact that Ukrainians love Nazis might somehow help the Russians. And that’s all it is about.
The sub-headline told the Times’ readers how they should interpret this potentially-troubling news:
Gosh. It’s so aggravating! The Ukrainians aren’t fitting the Times’ carefully-crafted noble-war narrative! The Times’ reporter struggled as best he could to find a way to shade the news. Using terms like “thorny,” “unfortunate,” and “bad optics,” the paper gently and carefully conceded that a lot of Ukrainian soldiers’ uniforms do, in fact, proudly sport Nazi swastikas and other appalling Third Reich imagery.
But see, they’re not “real” Nazis, no. Here’s how the Times explained it:
The iconography of these groups, including a skull-and-crossbones patch worn by concentration camp guards and a symbol known as the Black Sun, now appears with some regularity on the uniforms of soldiers fighting on the front line, including soldiers who say the imagery symbolizes Ukrainian sovereignty and pride, not Nazism.
The “Black Sun” symbol is also known as a Sonnenrad. It first popped up in the castle of occultist Heinrich Himmler, the infamous Nazi general and SS leader. According to the Times, these days the Black Sun is popular among neo-Nazis and white supremacists … and Ukrainians.
But… it’s just Pride! Not fun leather festival rainbow pride, silly. The boot-in-your-face, Zyklon-B shower, skinheaded Neo-Nazi kind. The reporter didn’t even TRY to connect the roots of “Ukrainian sovereignty and pride” to the concentration camp guard logos and occult Black Sun icons. They just said it, ipse dixit, pouring the hyper-processed lie into the Times’ jingoistic dog food bowl, for their credulous readers to lap up.
Slurp, slurp. ...
Possibly the most disgraceful part of the story was when the Times admitted that news rooms are regrettably being forced, with public relations guns held to their temples, to often delete or clean up photos of Ukrainian soldiers and allied militants. “The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II,” the article explained.
Faking photos? I mean, what are they SUPPOSED to do? It’s very, very complicated. ...
When there’s a proxy war on, the captured media becomes more … flexible. And understanding. Not to mention open-minded. The Times generously found that explicit Ukrainian Nazi imagery isn’t automatically hate speech, not necessarily, not really, not like when a Republican stage is loosely shaped like a swastika when you look at it from the right angle:
In the American South, some have insisted that today, the Confederate flag symbolizes pride, not its history of racism and secession. The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was co-opted by the Nazis… the symbols [have] meanings … unique to Ukraine and should be interpreted by how Ukrainians view[] them, not by how they [have] been used elsewhere.
A Hindu symbol! They’re probably Hindus!
Um, but what about all that other stuff? Is the Death’s Head logo Hindu, too? What about the Black Sun?
As you can tell, I’m having a great time sarcastically pointing out the Times’ double-, triple-, or quadruple-standards. But it’s really worse than that. The Times itself castigated the Ukrainian military as being packed with Nazis only a few years ago, as recently as 2019. One wonders whether the average Times reader has an effective attention span longer than a cocker spaniel.
As you can tell, I’m having a great time sarcastically pointing out the Times’ double-, triple-, or quadruple-standards.
Funny how in 1991 back when there were BBSs with dialup and usage in the Western World in the low single digits, we sure had a shitton of info. Knew within an hour of Saddam's T-64s crossing into Saudi Arabia or a bridge near Baghdad got bombed with footage from the hotel.
AmericanKulak says
Funny how in 1991 back when there were BBSs with dialup and usage in the Western World in the low single digits, we sure had a shitton of info. Knew within an hour of Saddam's T-64s crossing into Saudi Arabia or a bridge near Baghdad got bombed with footage from the hotel.
In TEXT perhaps. I remember those times. You didn't have video or even audio.
You had people reporting, at BEST, and BBSes were mostly local. We weren't dialing across the country much less across continents.
However, with Ukr-Rus we have jack shit, despite everybody and their Babushka having a smartphone with internet access and camera/mic built in.
Keep in mind the Poles had been overlords of Ukraine historically for long periods, Lemberg/L'vov/Lviv was mostly a Polish city historically.
It's always annoying when NYT shifts from Satanic Inversion lying propaganda, or plain lies, to mitigation gaslighting propaganda. They also use childish language, like they are writing for eight year olds.
goofus - I recommend Ryan Dawson - he's arrogant, can be over-bearing, and is bitter - but he does quite a bit of due diligence to be correct. https://www.ancreport.com/
podcasts: https://www.ancreport.com/category/podcast/
documentaries: https://www.ancreport.com/category/documentary/
news: https://www.ancreport.com/category/report/
I'll warn you, the documentaries are EXTREMELY dense. I find him to be reliable, but he hides sources at times but I've never known him to lie or knowingly spread bad information, but he DOES make mistakes. Who doesn't?
By Andrew Osborn
LONDON (Reuters) – Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Friday that the official Kremlin-backed version of why Moscow invaded Ukraine was based on lies concocted by his perennial adversary – the army’s top brass.
Prigozhin has for months been accusing Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Russia’s top general, Valery Gerasimov, of rank incompetence, but on Friday he for the first time rejected Russia’s core justifications for invading Ukraine on Feb. 24 last year in what it calls a “special military operation”.
“… the Defence Ministry is trying to deceive society and the president and tell us a story about how there was crazy aggression from Ukraine and that they were planning to attack us with the whole of NATO,” Prigozhin said in a video clip released on Telegram by his press service, calling the official version “a beautiful story”.
“The special operation was started for different reasons,” he said. “The war was needed … so that Shoigu could become a marshal … so that he could get a second ‘Hero’ [of Russia] medal. The war wasn’t needed to demilitarise or denazify Ukraine.”
He also said the war had been needed to acquire “material assets” to divide among the ruling elite.
Prigozhin portrays his Wagner private militia, which spearheaded the capture of the city of Bakhmut last month, as Russia’s most effective fighting force, and has enjoyed unusual freedom to publicly criticise Moscow, albeit not President Vladimir Putin, on whose support he ultimately depends.
Yet his latest assertion runs directly counter to the rationale for the war espoused by Putin, who said when sending his armed forces into Ukraine that it was to demilitarise and denazify a country that posed a threat to Russia.
The Kremlin leader casts the conflict as an existential struggle against a Western alliance that wants to use Ukraine as a platform to destroy Russia.
There was no immediate response from the Defence Ministry, which has ignored previous complaints from Prigozhin, in public at least. Nor was there any immediate reaction from the Kremlin, which has declined in the past to comment on Prigozhin’s outbursts.
(Reporting by Andrew Osborn; Editing by Kevin Liffey)
Yaroslav Hunka is a veteran of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, a Nazi Germany military formation. He is an ethnic Ukrainian, born in Urman, which was in Poland at that time, and volunteered for SS Galizien in 1943. Canada's House Speaker, Anthony Rota, praised Hunka as a "hero" during a visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. However, several Jewish groups responded with outrage, saying that Hunka had served in a Nazi unit known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, which fought alongside Germany during World War II and declared allegiance to Adolf Hitler.
Let me get this straight:
A year and a half ago, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau denounced a Jewish member of parliament named Melissa Lantsman for standing with “people who wave swastikas.” Lantsman had criticized Trudeau for fanning “the flames of an unjustified national emergency” in response to the “Freedom Convoy” trucker protests. The “swastikas” Trudeau referenced were, as even Snopes conceded, virtually all “pictured on signs as a way of mocking and protesting government restrictions,” comme ça:
By saying Lantsman stood with “people who wave swastikas,” in other words, Trudeau really meant she was standing with “people who called me a Nazi.” He declined to apologize, which of course is his prerogative.
This week, both Trudeau and House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota are under fire after Rota invited, and Trudeau applauded, a 98-year-old former soldier from the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division named Yaroslav Hunka to attend an address by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. Rota praised Hunka as a “Canadian hero” from his time fighting the Soviets in World War II when, not that it matters, they were allies to the United States and Canada. Leaving the elderly Hunka out of this for the moment, these politicians could easily have turned up the man’s blogs about joining Hitler’s army, making the applause scene at least approach the max on the cringe scale:
... To recap: Trudeau in a clear act of official disinformation smeared thousands of Canadian protesters as Nazis last year with context-twisting descriptions of a few decidedly un-representative photos. Now, after the Speaker of the House of Commons invited an ex-Nazi to parliament in a planned political act that had to be somewhat representative of the thinking of Trudeau’s Liberal government, the Prime Minister is complaining about “Russian disinformation,” as if that were to blame for this optics Hindenburg. As the CBC put it:
"Trudeau warned that this event may fuel Russian propaganda. Russian President Vladimir Putin has claimed the Ukraine conflict is about rooting out Nazis."
Dude, Vladimir Putin didn’t invite a Nazi to parliament, your government did. Do Davosketeers like Trudeau have anything inside, like shame or their own thoughts, or are they just manicured readers of talking points? Sheesh. It’s almost funny, how repugnant these people are.
The US can’t really dictate who is in charge in Ukraine.
Obviously Ukrainians should be in charge of their country.
You want as much Russians dead as possible.
their madman in charge started
That is the only way to prevent them from future invasions.
Just because Ukraine has Nazi paramilitaries and just because it’s impossible to take photos of Ukrainian soldiers without capturing Nazi insignia and just because Ukrainian Nazis get applauded in parliament doesn’t mean we’re on the side of the Nazis, you crazy Russian shill.
Western minds have become so warped by cold war hysteria these last few years that it never occurred to a single person in an entire giant room full of professional politicians that someone who fought against Russia during World War II might be a bad guy. Having fought against Russia at any point in history is just reflexively assumed to have put you on the right side.
Remember when US liberals were conditioned to hate Russia by a completely false narrative which was fed to the media by the western intelligence cartel, while the west was engaging in actions that same intelligence cartel knew would provoke a war with Russia? Crazy coincidence. ...
I love how it’s no longer seriously disputed that NATO expansion provoked this war and even the head of NATO now admits it, so now empire apologists’ only argument is claiming that Russia simply shouldn’t have viewed NATO expansion as a threat. As though that’s an answer.
They work so hard on internet control for the same reason they’ve worked so hard on media control: to control the public. The easiest way to control people is to control how they think, and the easiest way to control how they think is to control what information they consume.
When Russia and China draw a “red line”, it’s about a threat to their national security on their own borders. When the US draws a “red line”, it’s about the internal affairs of another country on the other side of the world.
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
The US can’t really dictate who is in charge in Ukraine.
He would be the first nazi-jew that I know.
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
Huh? I legitimately want to know how ceffer is so convinced what the truth is vs propaganda. In todays world the internet is full of BS. So what’s your method?
Schokolade says
Huh? I legitimately want to know how ceffer is so convinced what the truth is vs propaganda. In todays world the internet is full of BS. So what’s your method?
YOU spout all kinds of propaganda garbage, is what I was referring to.
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false,
richwicks says
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false,
You aren't pointing out shit.
You are just trolling.
Actually, this sounds exactly like the crap a ChatGPT bot spews out.
^^^ Patrick
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