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Petrodollar Nonsense Explained


               
2022 Mar 21, 2:20pm   5,491 views  50 comments

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I copied the original tweets here for those who don't want to go to Twitter (https://twitter.com/coloradotravis/status/1504981560537231362)

Tiny brains throwing around ‘petrodollar’ like it’s a thing are my favorite.

It’s not the ‘petrodollar’ it’s the ‘everything dollar.’

You see, only a tiny fraction (10%) of America’s GDP relies on exporting stuff.

Compare that to the EU at 45%
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The US has the largest GDP in the world but it’s also the most self-reliant — and therefore resilient — GDP in the world.

And because of that, everyone wants access to the American consumer: it’s the most resilient source of aggregate demand.
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That’s why when we have economic or financial crises, everyone else gets dragged down.

And it’s why other countries’ economic crises don’t necessarily drag us down: because trade with them is a garnish on an 32oz dry-aged economic porterhouse that’s all ours.
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There is some fever dream hallucination that the value of the dollar relies on energy trade.

Horse puckey.

The value of the dollar is that accepting it as payment gets you access to the best market on the planet.

Because that’s how America pays for stuff.
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Now: if you, as a sovereign nation, don’t want access to that demand then uh… I guess that’s fine.

Have fun enjoying drastically reduced economic potential.
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Consider this: in a world where all global trade were to simply cease, everyone’s quality of life would go down.

But on an relative basis, America would be even more ahead economically.

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1   richwicks   2022 Mar 21, 2:28pm  

The dollar's value is entirely contingent up people's willingness to accept it as worthwhile commodity.

If China, Russia, and India continued to trade in the dollar, but then immediately converted it to a commodity asset, it would destroy the dollar in short order.

Hyperinflation is an political event, not an economic one.
2   richwicks   2022 Mar 21, 2:38pm  

HunterTits says
No countries that rely on a lot of exports relative to their GDP wants demand for their own currency to drive up the value of their own currency. Then they couldn't export as much.


Why would they want to export so much?

Why exactly are they eager to trade goods and products from some toilet paper that the Federal Reserve can make in unlimited quantities for nothing?

People keep crowing about GDP. GDP is just a measure of how much churn there is an economy. It isn't a measure of the health of a nation.
3   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Mar 21, 4:01pm  

So in a short version, how fucked are we right now with whatever inflation or other countries using their currency to trade? What does that mean for us?

Are they simply resetting entire world economy down right now?
4   richwicks   2022 Mar 21, 5:25pm  

HunterTits says
richwicks says
Why would they want to export so much?


Uh, is that a serious question?


It's an entirely serious question.

They are trading work and labor for something that can, and is, created at will for no effort and no work.

You might do work for me if I produce trinkets that you can reasonably trade for good and services, but it's just a scam - you're trading the worthless trinkets with people who don't know they are worthless trinkets.

Dollar bills today are kind of like glass beads were 200 years ago. It's just surprising to me how gullible people are.
5   Patrick   2022 Mar 23, 3:39am  

HunterTits says
The US has the largest GDP in the world but it’s also the most self-reliant — and therefore resilient — GDP in the world.


What about our imports from China?
6   rocketjoe79   2022 Mar 23, 9:35am  

Patrick says
HunterTits says
The US has the largest GDP in the world but it’s also the most self-reliant — and therefore resilient — GDP in the world.


What about our imports from China?


Dollars thru china just come back around again, right?
7   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Mar 23, 9:55am  

HT if you don't mind, can you explain how will this affect us here in US? Are there any financial recommendations that are good to make? I don't completely understand this petrodollar thing, and most importantly I don't understand what it means for us.
8   stereotomy   2022 Mar 23, 10:36am  

The petrodollar is one of the pillars of dollar support. All payment for oil must be settled in dollars, thanks to Nixon's negotiations with the swing OPEC member Saudi Arabia after he abrogated the convertibility of dollars to gold in 1972. The US supplies SA with as much weapons as it wants to buy and takes care of enemies of SA (like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.).

Another pillar is the SWIFT system for setting international payments, which is also controlled by the US. If the US doesn't like you because you don't play along, you're banned from SWIFT (like Russia right now).

The third pillar is the US military, which enforces US hegemony, as well as (largely) guaranteeing freedom of the seas and world trade.
9   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2022 Mar 23, 12:19pm  

richwicks says
Hyperinflation is an political event, not an economic one.



This. Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon - Friedman.
11   richwicks   2022 Mar 23, 10:17pm  

Patrick says






FINALLY - Russia is supporting the ruble.

When will China ask for Renminbi / Yuan for their stuff?

Maybe other countries will stop racing to the bottom, and just let the US and Europe win that race on their own.

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