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WineHorror1 says

I'm no Libfuk but, my parents generation literally walked out of HS graduation, got jobs, started families and bought homes. That ain't being done today.

I don't think you are a libfuk at all. We've talked. I think younger people are lazy though today. I struggle with my own kids. It pisses me off. I don't want to be my dad though. Absent and physically/verbally abusive yet successful for the most part.

Most kids are spoiled though now. They are good friends now, but my neighbors had Juniors and Seniors in high school and they were visiting colleges they hadn't even applied for or been accepted to. Why? The game has changed from when I was a kid and I'm a young(ish) Patnetter. Kids just assume mom and dad will pay the way and make it happen now.

My wife and I were working when we were 14-15. I bagged groceries. In college I built signs that many here have probably seen. My wife waitressed and did other odd jobs. We're talking late 90's early 2000's, so not some folklore type shit from the 50's. If you want it, the jobs are there to make good money. We were pulling $30/hr between the two of us in our college years, which is great around 2001.

We bought our first property when we were 22 with no mommy and daddy help. My wife is the greatest thing that happened to me along with my dad's bullshit rough love. I was a country club kid that was forced to work because of him. I'm fortunate enough be able to take a break at this point. 3 years deep in being able to take a break from real full time work at 38. Not bragging, just if you're not working a job by 15-16, you're likely going to be a loser. By the time you 30 you've already got 15 years of experience of something under your belt. You're employable somewhere.

WookieMan says

I think younger people are lazy though today. I struggle with my own kids. It pisses me off.

A lot of this has to do with society as a whole imo. People don't heat with wood any more so no stacking and cutting wood as chores. Fewer kids grow up with yards to mow. HOAs provide "maintenance free" amenities. A kids biggest chore is taking out the trash, cleaning their room etc. Here's something you may not know either...foreign work programs. My HOA only hires foreign lifeguards for the summer. Years ago, I was in Myrtle Beach and ate at a friend's restaurant. She told me all of the wait staff there were foreign exchange. This is quite fucked up. I'm not pooh poohing. No matter a person's situation, you've got to overcome. But, let's be honest, shit is fucked up for some generations. They're being thrown under the bus. Hell, my own father gives my nephews "advice" about buying a large tract of land. The oldest is 21 and works at a damn kennel. There are opportunities though. A cousin and her husband stopped by a couple weeks ago. Her husband told my 18 year old nephew that if he went to community College and got an associates degree in automation technology(?) he could get a job immediately paying between $65k - $70k per year. Shockingly, he said he wasn't interested. He works at Walmart. Some people though, right?