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Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 6:15am
Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 6:15am
I refuse to fly coach because of one simple fact; airlines rarely enforce the fat people rule.
Now I have nothing against obese people, but if you book a aisle or middle seat and you can't actually fit in the seat, you should be forced to buy the adjacent seat. My last experience of having someone's side fat cover my arm for 4 hours during a coach flight circa 2009 convinced me to never fly coach again.
Plus the drink & food is 10x better in business or 1st class.
Now I have nothing against obese people, but if you book a aisle or middle seat and you can't actually fit in the seat, you should be forced to buy the adjacent seat. My last experience of having someone's side fat cover my arm for 4 hours during a coach flight circa 2009 convinced me to never fly coach again.
Plus the drink & food is 10x better in business or 1st class.
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BayArea
2022 Apr 6, 6:29am
BayArea
2022 Apr 6, 6:29am
The fat fucks flying economy, just too much
I remember a number of international flights early in my career (in my 20s) flying economy with some massive fatso spilling over into my seat for 9hrs, absolute torture.
I remember a number of international flights early in my career (in my 20s) flying economy with some massive fatso spilling over into my seat for 9hrs, absolute torture.
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Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 6:41am
Goran_K
2022 Apr 6, 6:41am
BayArea says
Brutal! At first it's okay, maybe the first 30-40 minutes. Then "it" starts to sweat, and the moisture gets on your coat, or worse, directly onto your arm skin. Nope. Never doing it again.
The fat fucks flying economy, just too much
I remember a number of international flights early in my career (in my 20s) flying economy with some massive fatso spilling over into my seat for 9hrs, absolute torture.
Brutal! At first it's okay, maybe the first 30-40 minutes. Then "it" starts to sweat, and the moisture gets on your coat, or worse, directly onto your arm skin. Nope. Never doing it again.
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BayArea
2022 Apr 6, 6:54am
BayArea
2022 Apr 6, 6:54am
I was flying back from San Diego last year with my wife (to OAK)… one hour flight. We had attended a wedding and were flying back via Southwest - full flight
We walk towards our seats and notice what looks to be a 350lb man sitting in the aisle seat of our row. He’s soaking wet, right though his shirt. Hair wet too. He struggles to get up to let us into our seats and immediately we are hit with the most awful body odor, it was sickening. My poor wife sat in the middle seat clinging to me for dear life.
Absolutely torturous hour. In hindsight I should have taken her off the plane and asked to be bumped to the next flight.
We walk towards our seats and notice what looks to be a 350lb man sitting in the aisle seat of our row. He’s soaking wet, right though his shirt. Hair wet too. He struggles to get up to let us into our seats and immediately we are hit with the most awful body odor, it was sickening. My poor wife sat in the middle seat clinging to me for dear life.
Absolutely torturous hour. In hindsight I should have taken her off the plane and asked to be bumped to the next flight.
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WookieMan
2022 Apr 6, 7:10am
WookieMan
2022 Apr 6, 7:10am
I'm 6'3" and probably 10lbs overweight , but most wouldn't call me that. It's the legit reason I stay in Chicagoland. Rarely is my flight over 4 hours to place I like to travel to. I fly about 20-30 one way legs annually and still have yet to get a fatty next to me. Worst usually is the armrest hog and the man spreader.
I've done first class out of Bozeman a couple times. It's for sure better, but we haven't paid for a flight with Southwest in over 4-5 years. We generally fly with family anyway, so we're boarding at the same time and take up the entire row. I'm an aisle seat guy and I just raise the armrest if I get a dip shit next to me.
Honestly kids (not mine) cause me the most anxiety. It's not cheap to fly people if you're not in the points game. So when you see a kid near you it freaks me out. It's likely one of their first flights. The screaming with the ear popping and then being stuck in a seat for 3 hours. I'll take a fatty over a toddler kicking my seat or yelling the whole time. Headphones help depending how close they are. And I have been in first class with kids and it's no different, just a bigger seat, booze and adequate food. I'll take free versus the $600 ticket.
FA's literally praise my kids as they walk off the plane. I'm proud of that, but they've flown a shitload of times now. My oldest is probably nearing 25-30 RT flights at 11 years old. Alas, it's coming to an end though besides maybe 2 trips a year, everything else being by car moving forward. The dreaded building of a house. It's what the wife wants and I've finally bought in on it and actually want it. Love travel, but I'll probably just do more solo trips with buddies to concerts or out Bozeman to board, fish, snowmobile, hike, etc.
I've done first class out of Bozeman a couple times. It's for sure better, but we haven't paid for a flight with Southwest in over 4-5 years. We generally fly with family anyway, so we're boarding at the same time and take up the entire row. I'm an aisle seat guy and I just raise the armrest if I get a dip shit next to me.
Honestly kids (not mine) cause me the most anxiety. It's not cheap to fly people if you're not in the points game. So when you see a kid near you it freaks me out. It's likely one of their first flights. The screaming with the ear popping and then being stuck in a seat for 3 hours. I'll take a fatty over a toddler kicking my seat or yelling the whole time. Headphones help depending how close they are. And I have been in first class with kids and it's no different, just a bigger seat, booze and adequate food. I'll take free versus the $600 ticket.
FA's literally praise my kids as they walk off the plane. I'm proud of that, but they've flown a shitload of times now. My oldest is probably nearing 25-30 RT flights at 11 years old. Alas, it's coming to an end though besides maybe 2 trips a year, everything else being by car moving forward. The dreaded building of a house. It's what the wife wants and I've finally bought in on it and actually want it. Love travel, but I'll probably just do more solo trips with buddies to concerts or out Bozeman to board, fish, snowmobile, hike, etc.
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clambo
2022 Apr 6, 3:03pm
I'm unable to tolerate long flights.
I pay the 40 bucks to get a little more room when I am choosing my seat.
Sometimes the upgrade to first class is not much more than checking 2 bags, so I have upgraded.
I flew first or business class a few times when I was not paying.
I don't know how people can fly to Australia or Asia in coach now. I would surely suffer for an eternity.
I pay the 40 bucks to get a little more room when I am choosing my seat.
Sometimes the upgrade to first class is not much more than checking 2 bags, so I have upgraded.
I flew first or business class a few times when I was not paying.
I don't know how people can fly to Australia or Asia in coach now. I would surely suffer for an eternity.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Apr 8, 4:45pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Apr 8, 4:45pm
WookieMan says
In 21st Century America, this is anorexic.
I'm 6'3" and probably 10lbs overweight , but most wouldn't call me that.
In 21st Century America, this is anorexic.
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Ceffer
2022 Apr 8, 5:00pm
Ceffer
2022 Apr 8, 5:00pm
Enjoy coach while it lasts. It'll be goats, pigs, straw, piss and shit just like a proper third world country pretty soon. Also, actually getting to your destination will be a minor form of death lottery, if the rattling, wheezing unmaintained crate makes it.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Apr 8, 5:49pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Apr 8, 5:49pm
The old "Well yes I would be willing to pay more for more of other Flying Customer's leg room and ass space" elitist mantra.
I think virtually every flight with a coach section today, would not have been TSA or the FAA approved 25, to 30 years ago. We're basically flying around on lawn chairs, bolted to an aluminum rail on the airplane floor. The seats on airlines these days say... "The Courts have put a value on each of you, and we've decided that price is cheaper than seating that may help you survive the crash."
The first plane I flew on at 21, had ash trays on both sides of the seat, and was wide enough for my 185lb frame to curl up and go to sleep, and with a solid armrest and a separator between seats, nobody bothered nobody on any flight unless they were snoring. They've got people shoved so far up each other's asses now, you can barely move your leg, without pissing someone off.
I think virtually every flight with a coach section today, would not have been TSA or the FAA approved 25, to 30 years ago. We're basically flying around on lawn chairs, bolted to an aluminum rail on the airplane floor. The seats on airlines these days say... "The Courts have put a value on each of you, and we've decided that price is cheaper than seating that may help you survive the crash."
The first plane I flew on at 21, had ash trays on both sides of the seat, and was wide enough for my 185lb frame to curl up and go to sleep, and with a solid armrest and a separator between seats, nobody bothered nobody on any flight unless they were snoring. They've got people shoved so far up each other's asses now, you can barely move your leg, without pissing someone off.
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HeadSet
2022 Apr 8, 7:34pm
HeadSet
2022 Apr 8, 7:34pm
Tenpoundbass says
True, and you also had hot stewardesses. However, airlines were very expensive back then. Today's airlines have turned more into a flying Greyhound, cutting any frills to lower prices and have more mass appeal. If you want to old time Pan Am experience complete with eye candy and hot meals, try Singapore Airlines.
The first plane I flew on at 21, had ash trays on both sides of the seat, and was wide enough for my 185lb frame to curl up and go to sleep, and with a solid armrest and a separator between seats, nobody bothered nobody on any flight unless they were snoring. They've got people shoved so far up each other's asses now, you can barely move your leg, without pissing someone off.
True, and you also had hot stewardesses. However, airlines were very expensive back then. Today's airlines have turned more into a flying Greyhound, cutting any frills to lower prices and have more mass appeal. If you want to old time Pan Am experience complete with eye candy and hot meals, try Singapore Airlines.
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BayArea
2022 Apr 9, 1:37am
BayArea
2022 Apr 9, 1:37am
I liked flying how it used to be
People would get dressed up, stewardesses were young and beautiful, seats were bigger, people would clap upon touchdown.
Now it just feels like a cheap assembly line
People would get dressed up, stewardesses were young and beautiful, seats were bigger, people would clap upon touchdown.
Now it just feels like a cheap assembly line
There is also the phenomenon of "the unruly passenger." Cabin crews on airline flights have been subject to violent assaults with injuries including, teeth knocked out, broken arms, broken jaws, and very serious injuries requiring hospitalization. These injuries come when they must restrain a violent passenger who has gotten out of control or break up fights. Believe it or not, a big cause of fights is a situation where one passenger reclines his or her chair all the way. The passenger sitting behind becomes enraged.
Elena experienced "an unruly passenger" situation on her return flight from Honolulu. On the flight from SFO to Honolulu, Elena noticed a couple wearing distinctive orange clothing. There were no problems on the outgoing flight. Elena boarded the flight to fly back to SFO. She noticed the same couple with distinctive orange clothes. An announcement came over the intercom. The flight would be delayed due to "a problem with passengers."
Cabin crew members approached the couple dressed in distinctive orange clothes. They instructed both to leave the plane. The woman protested that they had children back in San Francisco who would be left alone if they both could not fly. Three burly security guards appeared. The couple was taken off the plane.
No explanation was given for the removal. The couple appeared to be quiet and wearing their masks. I told Elena that it appeared to me that something had happened before the couple boarded the plane that led to them being declared "unruly passengers."
Elena started asking the great questions that she is famous for. How was the couple expected to make it back to San Francisco? If a passenger is ejected from a flight for being "an unruly passenger," some airlines put them on a blacklist. They are never allowed to fly again on that airline. (There is now pressure to create a nationwide unruly passenger list. A person designated as unruly would be banned from flying ever again.) Were the return tickets that the couple held voided? What if they did not have the money to buy tickets on another airline for the return trip to SFO? Who would pay for their hotel in Honolulu while they found new airline tickets? Elena made the somewhat humorous comment: "You cannot take a bus from Honolulu to San Francisco."
Those of you who know well know that we have spent thousands of hours flying all over the world for decades. Travel used to be fun. Now it is an ordeal. Elena summarized the whole situation as a complete failure of the human spirit.