patrick.net

richwicks says

Israel didn't follow this, they agreed to it, but broke it. Do not use the Balfour Declaration as justification for the existence of Israel, for this reason. Even if England had a right to do this, Israel didn't follow the restrictions of the Balfour Declaration.

England had the right to hand off Ottoman territories surrendered to the Allies in WW1 as part of the peace treaties. It created King Faisal in Iraq, and King Hussein in Jordan. The French created Lebanon and Syria.

The people who claim UK had no right to create Israel, "forget" that Britain took 2/3rd of Mandatory Palestine and handed it to the House of Hussein, freshly expelled from Mecca and Medina by the House of Saud, as a British-friendly state. Then the British left without setting up a national home. They had too many interests in the MENA to bother pissing off Arab Muslims.

"The Europeans had no right to create Israel, though they never did. But they did have the right to create 4 other states".

In actuality, the Grand Mufti didn't even want a Muslim Palestine, he wanted a restoration of the Caliphate with headquarters in Damascus, and was well funded by Pakistanis in the Empire to lobby the British government for that after WW1.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Stop this. The Balfour Declartion was very specific that the civil and religious rights of non Jews in the region.

I'd be hard pressed to find the idea of NATIONal Home means much less than a nation.

The very minimalist reading of "National Home" means an autonomous region of another state, with the ethnicity in full control of daily affairs, and not Dhimmi Second-class citizens who need permission to build or repair a holy site.

In any case, we saw the security of Jews in the Middle East - confiscation and expulsion before Israel was even created. All anti-semitism in the West was really brought back during the Crusades, including the idea of the Yellow Star and special dress for Dhimmis (the Christians in Egypt and the Holy Land also had to wear special clothes and a badge)....

I just get fed up with this bullshit. There is SO much propaganda around this issue, and I blame this poison for poisoning all our media. There's no bigger fucking bullshit than about Israel today.

I hate talking about this because there's so much bullshit about it, and then when I point out the bullshit, I have to go through all the fucking work of proving it's bullshit, and when I'm done doing this, INVARIABLY it doesn't change the opinion of whoever I'm talking with. It's just a stupid argument.

AmericanKulak says

In actuality, the Grand Mufti didn't even want a Muslim Palestine, he wanted a restoration of the Caliphate with headquarters in Damascus

Who gives a shit?

Even if this is true, does it justify the displacement of the indigenous population of what has become Israel? And who cares even if it does? Why is the US involved with this fucking war? Israel is in civil war and has been since 1948. Why are we involved?

We have constant, unending propaganda, 1/2 truths, even less to support Israel endlessly. It's just a bunch of assholes that invaded an area and think that their made up bullshit god justifies all this - even they don't believe it. It's just a source for conflict. Did you know that Nazareth doesn't exist, and never did? It's a mistranslated section of the King James Bible. "Jesus" was a "Nazarene" - this did not mean he was from Nazareth, it meant he didn't cut his hair. I believe Sikhs have this tradition, which is why they wear turbans. There is a town called Nazareth now, but it's a modern creation, tourist trap. It's another grift.

I am so goddamned tired of dishonesty and lies. When I was in my 20's I "wanted to know", at any cost, and I do largely know, now, and this has been at quite a cost. Honesty and truthfulness is not what our society values. It has separated me from most of humanity as a result. I can recognize propaganda and lies very well, I know how to recognize the truth - the truth is just consistent, television is nothing more than an unending stream of bullshit, and it's not erroneous, they are NOT making mistakes.

Most of the world is misinformed if not insane and reaching them, is just about impossible. It's not that they don't have the capability, it's that brainwashing is hard to break.

If you feel insulted that I'm implying you are brainwashed, don't be. Even I can be, even though I've been actively looking out for it for over 20 years. I'm on guard, but I can't avoid it. Nobody can, and anybody that thinks they are immune to it, they are completely brainwashed. There's not one single narrative of brainwashing, there's dozens and perhaps more. The lowest forms of brainwashing is "the left" and "the right".

richwicks says

I hate talking about this because there's so much bullshit about it, and then when I point out the bullshit, I have to go through all the fucking work of proving it's bullshit, and when I'm done doing this, INVARIABLY it doesn't change the opinion of whoever I'm talking with. It's just a stupid argument.

Just because there's Washington Consensus/NWO/Whatever propaganda, doesn't mean there isn't Soviet propaganda, Ba'athist Propaganda, hell millions are into North Korean Propaganda. Maybe the Fakestine thing is just propaganda.

Most people don't know the PLO was founded with a grant from the KGB who specifically selected Yassir Arafat to be leader, or that the founding 1964 PLO documents said West Bank of Jordan was legally Jordanian, and the PLO exists to wipe out all of Israel and restore it to Arab rule, with no desire for a self-governing Pal-arab state, they'd be happy to be taken over by any member of the United Arab Republic.

I know both the ultra left and ultra right hate Israel, and that George Soros hates Israel (he funded ISM, funded the Palestinian radical left terrorist - almost all of them are left like PFLP's Leila Khaled - that firebombed the NYPD car and got a wrist slap from radical left symp prosecutors. He's also told off Zionists who mistakenly invited him to speaking assuming he was pro-Israel), Baathist Nat Socs hate Israel, Susan Rosenberg and the Weathermen hate Israel (they attacked the IAI building during their DC Bombing campaign), that the EU and the "Sad Wise Uncle" Act Academics in Europe generally hate Israel.

Let's move this thread back to ELON MUSK stuff for a minute, since the NYT won't pay for a blue check.

If you read the comments, there's a lot of shitty content providers you've never heard of, but who knew somebody at twitter that gave them a blue check, and they're angry people can just pay for it instead of doing the hard work of knowing the right people. If that makes any sense.

Yep, I am shilling for Elon

gabbar says

richwicks says

Why is the US involved with this fucking war?

Its a business opportunity. Its about money and power. This is the essence.

No, it's because the US wanted to advance nuclear non-proliferation and back in 1994 entered the Budapest agreement guaranteeing Ukraine their sovereignty and territorial integrity in exchange for the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal. The CCCP and the UK were the other two guarantors. The CCCP is in obvious violation so the other two had to step in and help to repeal the Soviet agression.

PS. "richwicks" is not stupid, he just plays dumb in public for whatever (hopefully not monetary) reason. The above bit of history has been explained to him many times but he keeps "forgetting" and coming back every week pretending his brain has been erased and asking these naive "questions". Kinda like Cucker Tarlson, but with much less monetary success.

AmericanKulak says

Just because there's Washington Consensus/NWO/Whatever propaganda, doesn't mean there isn't Soviet propaganda, Ba'athist Propaganda, hell millions are into North Korean Propaganda. Maybe the Fakestine thing is just propaganda.

I am entirely aware of this. I am FAR more expert in American propaganda, because I live here, and I hear it constantly. I know when my government is lying, because they're so fucking bad at it.

I get tons of bullshit from @RWSGFY because he disagrees with my assessment of the Ukraine/Russian WAR, and it is a war. What he DOESN'T give me is the ability to reassess my point of view. Of course I realize Russia has propaganda, Pravda is NEARLY as stupid as CNN. Here - you can read it:

https://www-pravda-ru.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Every nation engages in this fucking stupidity of lying to it's population, that's not my problem. My problem is my government lies to ME. Fuck you for lying to me.

I am not exposed constantly to Russian propaganda, because that is not included in our propaganda, our supposed "news". Neither is Arab propaganda in our "news". I am not affected by that. Our propaganda systems call every fucking thing "russian propaganda" when they want to hide it, it's a dog whistle for "the truth". The Hunter Biden's laptop was called "Russian propaganda", which simply meant "this is true information which we don't want people to look at, and if you do, we'll attack you". That's what Russian propaganda means in the NY Times, CNN, PBS, NPR, Fox News, the Washington Post, everybody. That's all it means.

AmericanKulak says

Most people don't know the PLO was founded with a grant from the KGB who specifically selected Yassir Arafat to be leader, or that the founding 1964 PLO documents said West Bank of Jordan was legally Jordanian, and the PLO exists to wipe out all of Israel and restore it to Arab rule, with no desire for a self-governing Pal-arab state, they'd be happy to be taken over by any member of the United Arab Republic.

Look, I don't look up in this situations (I don't look toward "authority"). The PLO, just like my government, and the Russian government, and the Israeli government is just a group of fucking thugs. I know people who had their family expelled from land in what is now Israel, because they weren't Jewish, they were Christian. Fuck the governments, governments don't represent anybody but themselves. The PLO is just a group of gangsters, just like the Likud is. They are no different.

AmericanKulak says

I know both the ultra left and ultra right hate Israel, and that George Soros hates Israel (he funded ISM, funded the Palestinian radical left terrorist - almost all of them are left like PFLP's Leila Khaled - that firebombed the NYPD car and got a wrist slap from radical left symp prosecutors

Fuck Soros, he's a goddamned traitor, notice our intelligence agencies and DOJ do nothing about it. He's a fucking criminal.

I just don't want my nation involved with Israel, and I want my fucking government to stop being such fucking criminals.

I guess that makes me a traitor. Well, those bastard ass suckers call me everything else. I'm not offended at this point.

richwicks says

I know people who had their family expelled from land in what is now Israel, because they weren't Jewish, they were Christian.

Check out the population of Bethlehem since 1994 when the Israels left and the PA took over.

I would like my government simply to stop being criminal at home first. I would also love for the USA to turn off aid to Israel as I'm tired of hearing red herrings about it. It will also make me laugh when we cancel the $3B/year and suddenly, nothing happens to the Humbugers, maybe Israel cancels a new highway expansion and raises a tax on cigs a decimal point.

In any case, one day I will make an Israel masterthread because rehashing points, from the USS Liberty accusations to the origin of the PLO and the original wishes of the leaders to be part of a Caliphate based in Damascus, etc. the NOs at the end of every Arab lost war bankrolled by the USSR and impossible without Soviet help (which is why there hasn't been one since the end of the Cold War), and just refer to that.

RWSGFY says

Cucker Tarlson,

We know where you are coming from.

AmericanKulak says

In any case, one day I will make an Israel masterthread because rehashing points, from the USS Liberty accusations to the origin of the PLO and the original wishes of the leaders to be part of a Caliphate based in Damascus, etc. the NOs at the end of every Arab lost war bankrolled by the USSR and impossible without Soviet help (which is why there hasn't been one since the end of the Cold War), and just refer to that.

If you try to talk about anything with regard to Israel, in time, eventually, you'll get Hasbera to fucking show up. I know what those fuckers are like. This board will be over-run by them in short order.

I remember when I first learned the truth about the entire conflict regarding the USS Liberty. I was just asking questions: "oh, the USS Liberty had a congressional investigation" I was told. What date? Where's the transcript? It was a complete lie, never happened. Israel was trying to drag us into a war, and our traitorous government appears to have been a willing participant in that. The apparent plan was to kill everybody on board the USS Liberty, make another Pearl Harbor, and bring us into war with Egypt - but it failed, because there were survivors.

That's our government. They murder people ALL THE TIME in false flags and I oppose murder and war is nothing but state sanctioned murder.

I am tired of this deception, I'm tired of people being controlled and manipulated, if this could just fucking end, our society would bloom. The world would. We have before, and we can again, lead by example. That's the only way to lead, morally. No deception, no trickery, honesty. What an amazing world thic would be without scams, and criminality.

richwicks says

If you try to talk about anything with regard to Israel, in time, eventually, you'll get Hasbera Soros/AKSO Electronic Intifada Paleban Propaganda to fucking show up. I know what those fuckers are like. This board will be over-run by them in short order.

Anti-Sionisticheskii Komitet Sovetskoi Obshchestvennosti; AKSO
Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet Public

richwicks says

I remember when I first learned the truth about the entire conflict regarding the USS Liberty. I was just asking questions: "oh, the USS Liberty had a congressional investigation" I was told. What date? Where's the transcript? It was a complete lie, never happened. Israel was trying to drag us into a war, and our traitorous government appears to have been a willing participant in that. The apparent plan was to kill everybody on board the USS Liberty, make another Pearl Harbor, and bring us into war with Egypt - but it failed, because there were survivors.

And two sets of multimillion dollar (in late 60s money) indemnity payments within months. And the transcript of the ELINT intercepts and Findings have been available for decades now. Any reasonable reading sees the mistake. Of course Troofers will just say the whole thing is doctored, with no proof that it was, or competing evidence (not mere speculation on Humbug/Pattern-seeking) for an alternate explanation.

AmericanKulak says

And two sets of multimillion dollar (in late 60s money) indemnity payments within months.

Disingenuous, as Israel received an extra allotment from Congress to pay that. Israel did subsequently pay $6million in three annual installments of $2million each. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said later that he considered the payments meaningless, as Congress merely increased the annual Israeli allotment by that amount.
https://rense.com/general39/pilot.htm

HeadSet says

Disingenuous, as Israel received an extra allotment from Congress to pay that. Israel did subsequently pay $6million in three annual installments of $2million each. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said later that he considered the payments meaningless, as Congress merely increased the annual Israeli allotment by that amount.

Rense is a long time Israel basher. The US began to supply Israel with gift certificates after 1962 because the USSR had armed Egypt and Syria to an immense degree.

The US greatly increased the aid in 1968 from $7M to $25M not because of the USS Liberty, but to rearm Israel after the 1967 War against Soviet backed Client states. With Algeria abandoned, France cut all military deals with Israel, leaving the Israelis without parts for their Mirages, and the Israelis replaced them with F-4s. In the 1970s, Israelis would duel Soviet and NORK piloted Eastern Bloc aircraft over the Sinai. Soviets insisted the Egyptians weren't following their training, and the IAF promptly wrecked havoc among Soviet Pilots in Soviet Fighters using current Soviet Tactics, much to Egyptian Air Force snickering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noXPLL7pyfU

Rusk was a former Rockefeller Foundation President who was involved on the wrong team for almost every 60s foreign policy debacle, from the Bay of Pigs to Diem to Vietnam Escalation, and backed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Thank goodness he left with LBJ.

In any case, Israel admitted negligence and paid.

ELON FLAGS NPR AS STATE FUNDED MEDIA


Almost 100% of NPR's revenue comes from PBS.

AmericanKulak says

And two sets of multimillion dollar (in late 60s money) indemnity payments within months. And the transcript of the ELINT intercepts and Findings have been available for decades now. Any reasonable reading sees the mistake.

Then have a fucking congressional investigation before every single person on the USS Liberty is dead. I've listened to them. There are whistleblowers that have said they were ordered not to come to the aid of the USS Liberty. Are they lying? Quite possibly they are. There's a lot of bullshit about this incident, and when there's a TON OF BULLSHIT, there's a conspiracy.

After 9/11, it was "holograms", "directed energy weapons", all sorts of bullshit. That's because my government fucking did it. That's how they cover it up, they get asshole traitors like Judy Woods to make everybody looking at it seem like nutcases by pouring out endless bullshit, OBVIOUSLY crazy bullshit.

The people that survived the USS Liberty think the government betrayed them, and there's no bigger come to Jesus moment for anybody than when they realize they've been stabbed in the back. I believe them. My government betrays people all the fucking time.

AmericanKulak says

Of course Troofers

Go fuck yourself. You are moving to ad-hominem to diminish what my government fucking did in conjunction with Israel's fucking government. Fuck all of you.

You are unknowingly allowing the criminals to get away with their crime.

AmericanKulak says

In any case, Israel admitted negligence and paid.

But still got re-imbursed. And admitting "negligence" beats admitting "deliberate act."

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/elon-musk-breaks-the-internet-in

Elon Musk Breaks the Internet in Unexpected BBC Interview - Clip Compilation

“Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations — and not reporting on that at all?”

Here is his complete interview with some propagandist twat at the BBC:


original link

I'll say this, Musk is certainly entertaining.

HeadSet says

But still got re-imbursed. And admitting "negligence" beats admitting "deliberate act."

Arguably. The Aid went up from the USA because the Soviets were dumping 1000s of MiGs, T-55s, and SA-2s in Egypt and Syria.

There's neither motive nor benefit here. And the Egyptians still believe the destruction of their air force was due to US Carriers, not the IAF.

richwicks says

Then have a fucking congressional investigation before every single person on the USS Liberty is dead. I've listened to them. There are whistleblowers that have said they were ordered not to come to the aid of the USS Liberty. Are they lying? Quite possibly they are. There's a lot of bullshit about this incident, and when there's a TON OF BULLSHIT, there's a conspiracy.

One side has these facts:

The USS Liberty was not where it was far off course because it did not recieve the instructions due to an inadequate communications system (which was immediately replaced ASAP following an USN inquiry) or errors in their own radio room. USN documents support the former.

Israel immediately admitted negligence and paid the first indemnity within months.

The released Intercept Transcripts indicate the realization of a mistake when the Israeli Navy boats got close enough to read the side markings (which were not visible in a high speed fighter jet thousands of feet high).

The incident occured days into a hot war that featured scope and scale Tank Battles not seen since Kursk in WW2, with a highly fatigued Air Force; this event did not occur during a peacetime or limited war scenario.

Consecutive investigations by the US have found no motive.

The other side has:

Speculation as to underhanded motives without the least bit of evidence.

By the way, the next of kin of the British Armor in the First Iraq War insist to this day that the A-10 pilots were not just mistaken, but deliberately jealous of the British Army or at least grossly negligent to the point of criminal, and that the USG engaged in a conspiracy to cover up their malfeasance.

I would say the USS Liberty Conspiracy Theories are at the same level of the "Hunter Biden Laptop Russian Hoax" writers in 2020.

https://babylonbee.com/news/national-public-radio-denies-being-national-or-public

WASHINGTON, D.C. — National Public Radio, a government-supported news organization, is vehemently denying "slanderous" accusations that they are national and public.

"This false, libelous, scandalous, sickening, spurious claim about NPR is a shameful misrepresentation of the facts spread by Nazi white supremacists like Elon Musk," said NPR President John Lansing. "Just because we are funded by the state and dedicate every editorial decision to supporting the ever-growing intrusion of state power on public and private life until all freedom is driven out of the hearts of mankind for all eternity, doesn't mean we are some kind of state-supported media company. That's ridiculous."

Experts at state-supported NPR confirmed that NPR is "completely independent" and "totally real news." They also assured that NPR is only minimally supported by the government, with the rest of the support coming from 80-year-old Communists buying overpriced tote bags in exchange for a tax break. "We urge all listeners to support us as a reliable, non-partisan, not-at-all-government-funded source for news about how the government can solve all your problems," said Lansing.

At publishing time, NPR leadership had admitted some government involvement in their programming but insisted it was just the Chinese government.

Onvacation says

RWSGFY says

Cucker Tarlson,

We know where you are coming from.

Yep, I hate Pedo Commie Cum gurglers. Does this upset you?

Patrick says

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/elon-musk-breaks-the-internet-in

Elon Musk Breaks the Internet in Unexpected BBC Interview - Clip Compilation

“Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations — and not reporting on that at all?”

“Who is the arbiter of that [misinformation]? Is it the BBC?” asked Musk.
James Clayton stammered, “Are you literally asking me?”
“Yes,” replied Elon. “Who is to say that one person’s misinformation is another person’s information?”

gabbar says

“Yes,” replied Elon. “Who is to say that one person’s misinformation is another person’s information?”

Buncha bots busted:

https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1647671394476478467?ref_src=patrick.net

https://slaynews.com/news/elon-musk-federal-government-access-twitter-users-private-messages/

Elon Musk has revealed Old Twitter gave the federal government access to users’ private direct messages (DMs).

Musk dropped the revelation during an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s upcoming show.

In a preview of the segment, due to air Monday night on Fox News, Musk said he was shocked to learn how deeply the feds had infiltrated Twitter before he bought the company in October.

“The degree to which government agencies effectively had full access to everything that was going on on Twitter blew my mind, I was not aware of that,” said Musk.

“Would that include people’s DMs?” Carlson asked.

“Yes,” Musk responded.

Patrick says

“The degree to which government agencies effectively had full access to everything that was going on on Twitter blew my mind, I was not aware of that,” said Musk.

I don't believe him.

If I know, he must have known. Any IM that isn't P2P and encrypted, is being monitored. I would assume that for everything. There's NO REASON to have a server today.

RWSGFY says

Buncha bots busted:

https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1647671394476478467?ref_src=patrick.net

Lol, that's pretty funny.

Another one: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1647729855587385347?ref_src=patrick.net

PS. What the fuck is happening with our military? How many of them crave Commie cock up their ass, like Teixeira and this DD cunt...

Eric Holder says

Another one: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1647729855587385347?ref_src=patrick.net

PS. What the fuck is happening with our military? How many of them crave Commie cock up their ass, like Teixeira and this DD cunt...

Quit bitching about people exposing crimes of our fucking government. IF I'm to trust this "leak", we have boots on the ground in Ukraine now. Ukraine is getting slaughtered at a 6:1 ratio, IF I AM TO BELIEVE. So, our government is gone to war without a war authorization in Ukraine to fight against Russia without any congressional approval.

Why do you think we have a Constitution? To wipe our ass with? We have OPEN TRAITORS infesting out government at EVERY level. The FIB is blocking the ability of people to talk to one another, they are protecting criminals like Jeffrey Epstein and all of his clients. Are you CERTAIN he's dead? Why? MAYBE he is.

I'm just so tired of you pathetic lapdogs. You know who a person is that leaks classified information to expose government criminality? A hero. Somebody that has balls you have tucked up in your asshole.

Our military should have rebelled DECADES ago. They won't. You get the occasional person speaking out, but they are swiftly dealt with and you pussies cheer it on, clap like trained seals. Please take more boosters. With any luck, they will kill everybody that took them in a few years. Fingers crossed.

Meanwhile, East Palestine Ohio is still poisoned. Meanwhile our government is shooting down weather balloons and hobbyist balloons spending a million dollars each time to do, and then tells us "we can't rule out they may be extraterrestrial." Well, I fucking can. All the government does is lie, and lie, and lie and lie and lie and lie. You defend it, or... do you believe it?

Patrick says

RWSGFY says

Buncha bots busted:

https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1647671394476478467?ref_src=patrick.net

Lol, that's pretty funny.

They aren't going to be able to get AI to act like they want to.

It's going to have to be trained to actively deceive, it still needs accurate information, but to lie, that requires some thought. We access a different part of our brain to do it. Cognitive dissonance makes you lie without realizing it, it's a form of insanity if you have enough of it, because you literally lose contact with reality.

They are going to have a much harder time then they believe using this as a control mechanism.

If you demand an AI to recognize a dog as a dog, it can, as long as you tell it what a dog is. If you decide that the black dog should be identified as a cat, what it will do is recognize the property of black as being "a cat". If you start showing it cats, and let it accurately train on it, you'll need to give it two categories "black dog" == "cat" and "cat" == "cat". It will have to have two definitions of what a cat is, but it will be two separate categories in the network.

You can't train an AI network with bullshit - you have to train it with factual accurate information. When you force it to start lying, i.e. creating new categories, it has to be trained all over again and the rules for categorization have to be consistent.

Eric Holder says

Another one: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1647729855587385347?ref_src=patrick.net

PS. What the fuck is happening with our military? How many of them crave Commie cock up their ass, like Teixeira and this DD cunt...

If you liked that, you'll love this.

USN CVN Captain demands entire crew listen to weekly Queer Poetry shipwide over the PA system.


https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1646205509568020488?ref_src=patrick.net

Betcha he's got a Masters in Business Admin and needs to be sure he's ESG compliant for when he retires to his second career at Lockheed.

The Madman did it!!!

ELON CORRECTS CBC LABEL





https://twitter.com/CBC?ref_src=patrick.net

69% Government funded.