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Russian Black Sea Fleet is practically neutered.


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2022 May 9, 11:06am   30,500 views  259 comments

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After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov.
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On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.

Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons.


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Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.

Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.

Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.

Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.

Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/06/the-russian-frigate-admiral-makarov-might-be-the-juiciest-target-in-the-black-sea/?sh=5439ecbb74d5&source=patrick.net

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105   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 8, 4:44pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RWSGFY says


Black Sea Fleet is so neutered that Zelensky feels safe to visit Snake Island. And dance there. In heels. While playing on piano with his dick. Bwahahahahaha.


so he can play piano?


With his dick. On the Snake Island. And there is nothing brave Red Navy can do about it.
106   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 4, 8:32am  

Can't hide in their other base - Novorossiysk - anymore:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGKX-vD6aRU
110   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 18, 10:04am  

Neutering continues in the Red Navy home base:

https://apple.news/Ap2AYnQBETyKBp65W0XV14g
112   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 11, 3:22pm  

Trollhole says






Is that a prediction? Please post in a correct thread - this one is tracking the ever-increasing distance between the Black Sea Red Fleet and it's now-detached balls.
113   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 11, 3:24pm  

Back on topic.

Some of 2014-15 Red Navy gains in the Black Sea are now reversed:




114   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 12, 8:24pm  

Red Navy base in Sebastopol last night:






115   Bd6r   2023 Sep 12, 10:18pm  

RWSGFY says

Red Navy base in Sebastopol last night:



CGI, clearly!
116   richwicks   2023 Sep 12, 10:58pm  

Bd6r says


RWSGFY says


Red Navy base in Sebastopol last night:


CGI, clearly!



Don't dismiss the possibility. After all, this is, supposedly, a Ukrainian fighter pilot, with a Swedish accent, and beard which an oxygen mask won't fit over:


original link

How many times do they have to lie to you, before you realize they lie to you? How blatant does it have to get? Do you really think that a multi milliondollar "news" agency doesn't have the resources to check sources? Anderson Cooper is part of Operation Mockingbird. When will you realize our "news" media is entirely infiltrated with psy-ops from our bullshit incompetent, stupid, intelligence agencies?

Propaganda isn't produced to convince intelligent people that a lie is true, it's just to give them the freedom not to think at all. After all, "everybody agrees", right? The example I gave is obviously bullshit - this should cause outrage that a major talking head asshole presented this as truth, but it doesn't. "Oh everybody is stupid", right? I'm not a predator. That's too easy, I prefer uplift.
117   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 13, 7:35am  

Bd6r says


RWSGFY says


Red Navy base in Sebastopol last night:


CGI, clearly!



Yep.



The Reds have admitted that a sub and a large landing ship were hit. If they admit this, their real losses must be
spectacular.
118   RayAmerica   2023 Sep 13, 7:46am  

Clearly, Ukraine is winning this war.

Quick, Zelensky needs more $Billions to finish the job!
119   Eric Holder   2023 Sep 13, 11:48am  

Yep, Ukreinian people need more weapons to persuade the Soviet fucks to go back inside their already biggest in the world legal territory. They have enough land to live on, no need for more Lebensraum.
120   Eric Holder   2023 Sep 13, 11:53am  

RayAmerica says


Zelensky needs more $Billions to finish the job!


Nope, Zelensky doesn't need more $B because these have already been spent for weaponry produced for this exact purpose - beating back Soviet aggressors and quickly approaching its expiration date. All that needed is quick transfer of said weapons to these who need them now to repel this illegal aggression. Fucking Joe Biden is dragging his feet on this issue. I wonder if these $35M Hunter got from Baturina and $5 he got from Yanukovich's buddy - Zlochevsky - has something to do with it.
121   Eric Holder   2023 Sep 13, 11:54am  

I believe this is another first in the naval history: submarine destroyed by a cruise missile.
122   richwicks   2023 Sep 13, 12:28pm  

Eric Holder says


Yep, Ukreinian people need more weapons to persuade the Soviet fucks to go back inside their already biggest in the world legal territory. They have enough land to live on, no need for more Lebensraum.


The USSR ceased to exist in 1991, December 26th. When you refer to the USSR, you only expose your stupidity. Stop doing that.

The USSR is no more Russia than the United States is British in 1775. Russia underwent a revolution in 1991. They aren't the same as the previous government. You must know this. Why do you lie about it, why do you pretend they are the same?
123   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 14, 4:25pm  

Minsk's suprestructure collapsed into the hull:



It'll buff right out!
124   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 14, 4:27pm  

RWS Kotov attacked by an USV:

126   richwicks   2023 Sep 14, 5:44pm  

Navy is obsolete. Too easy to sink a ship today. In a real war, all the navy on the planet would be at the bottom of the ocean in a matter of weeks.

Russia will figure this out before the United States does.

The only possible use of the Navy is submarines, and they can be trivially detected. Even deep submersibles, leave a wake which is easily detectable.

The future of warfare is exclusively air. We shouldn't even bother with infantry. Why there is a person behind a gun, STILL, and not just controlling it remotely is, is beyond me.
128   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 16, 8:56pm  

Another RWS - Samoom - was fucked up by USVs and towed to the base:




129   stereotomy   2023 Sep 17, 8:41am  

WWIII IN 3 .. 2.. 1 ..
133   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 18, 11:09am  

stereotomy says

WWIII IN 3 .. 2.. 1 ..


ANY SECOND NOW!!!!!
134   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 18, 11:10am  

This will buff right out...




135   Eric Holder   2023 Sep 18, 11:14am  

stereotomy says


WWIII IN 3 .. 2.. 1 ..


Basically Elon Musk turned out to be a week-kneed gullible little cunt: he was browbeaten by the Soviet ambassador Antonov into believing that attack on the Red Fleet home base will lead to an IMMEDIATE THERMONUCLEAR WAR!!!! He wasn't homeschooled, was he?
136   RayAmerica   2023 Sep 18, 11:45am  

Had Putin wanted to, Kiev would have disappeared within the first 2 weeks of the war.

Russia has conducted a very limited military exercise, while Ukrainians are being slaughtered en masse. Their own government temporarily admitted to 400,000 Ukrainian military deaths, precisely why they are capturing fighting age men from the streets, giving them a weapon, and sending them to the front lines. Russia, on the other hand, has close to 250,000 VOLUNTEERS.

There isn't a chance that Ukraine can defeat Russia. Anyone that believes that has been fooled into believing that nonsense by the Military Industrial Financial Complex.
137   socal2   2023 Sep 18, 11:57am  

RayAmerica says

There isn't a chance that Ukraine can defeat Russia. Anyone that believes that has been fooled into believing that nonsense by the Military Industrial Financial Complex.


There isn't a chance that Russia can defeat Ukraine either. Russia lost that chance nearly 1.5 years ago with all of their early cock-ups to topple Kiev and the central government.

At best Russia can hang onto bits of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea they currently occupy and call that a "win" while Ukraine continues to drone and hit Russian positions with artillery for the next several years.

If you are truly worried about WWIII and wanting to stop the death and destruction, the quickest way to achieve that is to Russia to stop invading their sovereign neighbor.

If you are worried about the US Industrial Complex and spending now, just wait to see what it will balloon to if Russia somehow manages to "win" in Ukraine.
138   RayAmerica   2023 Sep 18, 12:16pm  

socal2,

America's military industrial financial complex always needs a boogeyman in order to justify their evil deeds. In this case, it is Russia ... and you've fallen for it.
139   socal2   2023 Sep 18, 12:42pm  

RayAmerica says

socal2,

America's military industrial financial complex always needs a boogeyman in order to justify their evil deeds. In this case, it is Russia ... and you've fallen for it.


Well - if Russia stops their failed (EVIL) invasion of Ukraine and brings troops back inside Russia's borders - that will take one big boogeyman off the table for the MIC.

Despite Russia' EVIL military being totally corrupt and incompetent - the MacGregor's of the world continue to laud them with praises and warning the US that Russia can't possibly lose to Ukraine - ensuring more MIC spending and keeping Russia as a boogeyman for decades to come.

Again, for those of you on this forum who seem most concerned about escalation to WWIII and loss of Russian/Ukrainian lives and treasure, why don't you ever advocate for the cleanest, easiest and most legitimate way to stop the conflict by getting Russia to stop their illegal and EVIL invasion? Instead, many treat Putin's massive crimes and destruction like many treated Islamists as simply unthinking and immovable objects that the West just needs to accept and adapt to live with.
140   RayAmerica   2023 Sep 18, 12:52pm  

Back when the Soviet Union was collapsing, President George H. W. Bush, and his Sec. of State, James Baker, both promised Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not expand "one inch further." Since then, NATO has expanded dramatically in an attempt to encircle Russia.

Back in 2013/14, the State Department's Victoria Nuland, and the warmonger Sen. John McCain, went to Ukraine and promised American support for a coup that would overthrow the then Ukraine Government, which just so happened to be on friendly terms with Russia. That coup succeeded. Russia said all along that Ukraine joining NATO would be completely unacceptable, because of the danger that such a membership would pose to the strategic Black Sea.

It was AMERICA that provoked this war, not Russia.

Just try to imagine a hostile membership of nations occupying the territories and borders of North and Central America. How do you think America would react? History tells us how we would; the Cuban Missile Crisis on 1962, which brought us to the brink of nuclear war.
141   Reality   2023 Sep 18, 1:06pm  

The MIC/MIBC and the New Northern Crusade will not stop even if Russia withdrew. After the fall of Jerusalem to Saladin's army (which took place due to Knight Templar's insistence on an utterly stupid strategy to fight numerically far superior Muslim army out in the open, instead of using the hugely expensive and proven effective city walls to the Kingdom of Jerusalem's advantage; The Kingdom of Jerusalem had been in existence for nearly a century by then, the people of both Europe and the Middleast had been banking with the Knight Templars for nearly a century; i.e. the ponzi scam of banking was about to be exposed), the Northern Crusade was launched on the Old Prussians (native people before the arrival of Teutonic Knights), Poles and Lithuanians, in order to replicate the banking fraud (and financial success in the first nearly 100 years) that the Crusade to Jerusalem had been.

The current (New) Northern Crusade (aka War in Ukraine, and possibly later War in the Baltics and War in Poland) is not about converting Russia to Christianity (I mean, "Democracy" vote counting by inserting millions of fake ballots and you'd better believe the result or you are apostasy!), but about killing Ukranian, Baltic and Polish bank account holders (and of course Russian bank account holders) in major Swiss, UK and US banks. Possibly even mass-slaughtering Israeli bank account holders after giving Iranian theocrats (today's Saladin, who was Kurdish/Iranian himself) the money to build nuclear weapons and forcing Israelis to relocate to the old Pale of Settlement (located in today's Ukraine, Baltics, Belarussia and Poland) "homeland." Blackrock is front-running future Jewish refugees by buying up Ukranian land and infrastructure.

The operation is not about vanquishing/converting the heathens but about harvesting the faithful and gullible fellow-travellers and their bank accounts. The bankers are not interested in letting Ukranian, Polish or Baltic account holders cash out and spend the money that they have saved over the last 30+ years from making trinckets like automotive switchgear export to the west.
142   HeadSet   2023 Sep 18, 1:16pm  

RayAmerica says

That coup succeeded. Russia said all along that Ukraine joining NATO would be completely unacceptable, because of the danger that such a membership would pose to the strategic Black Sea.

Yes, Putin was forced to act unless he wanted to see NATO naval bases at Odessa and Sevastopol.
143   socal2   2023 Sep 18, 1:26pm  

RayAmerica says


It was AMERICA that provoked this war, not Russia.


And there it is! Always America's fault.

This insinuates that Putin and Russia are just like dumb Islamists with absolutely no agency over their actions. They are just dumb animals only responding to stimulus?

Had Russia not blundered into Ukraine last year, they would still have their army/reputation intact and less NATO members on their borders.

There is no universe where a reasonable observer can claim Russia is better off today for having launched this disastrous war against their sovereign neighbor.
144   Reality   2023 Sep 18, 1:35pm  

socal2 says


Had Russia not blundered into Ukraine last year, they would still have their army/reputation intact and less NATO members on their borders.



Factually incorrect. Ukranian army was the 2nd or 3rd largest army under NATO command, and Turkey (the 2nd largest NATO army if we don't count UAF) has not moved. If Russia acted too passively, Turkey may well have invaded through the Caucusus under the flag of pan-Islamism/pan-turkism; as it is, Turkey is already helping Azerbaijian take parts of Armenia, both before and after the conflict in Ukraine started. UAF is much much smaller and weaker now than it was before February 2022.


There is no universe where a reasonable observer can claim Russia is better off today for having launched this disastrous war against their sovereign neighbor.


Factually incorrect. If Russia didn't move, the UAF would have invaded Don Bass and Crimea. Due to local geography, it's advantageous to Russia/Russians to have battles take place west / northwest of those locations than further east / southeast. It would be much harder to maintain the land bridge to Crimea if the UAF under NATO command had the jump/initiative in fighting.

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