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Russian Black Sea Fleet is practically neutered.


               
2022 May 9, 11:06am   37,780 views  263 comments

by Eric_Holder   follow (0)  


After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov.
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On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.

Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons.


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Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.

Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.

Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.

Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.

Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/06/the-russian-frigate-admiral-makarov-might-be-the-juiciest-target-in-the-black-sea/?sh=5439ecbb74d5&source=patrick.net

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261   zzyzzx   2025 Dec 16, 6:42am  

Given the relatively small number of Russian submarines in the Crimea, I have to either conclude one of the following:
1. Making a submersible drone is actually pretty easy.
2. Ukraine was highly motivated to make a weapon just to take out a small number of one type of weapon, or maybe it's potentially useful on ships as well.
3. It's a rebranded weapon made by someone else, and someone else wanted to test their weapon in a real life combat situation.
262   MolotovCocktail   2025 Dec 16, 8:37am  

Eric_Holder says

After neutering came throatfucking: one of remaining Kilo-class submarines have been blown up by an underwater drone inside Novorossiysk navy base. It was used to lobe Kalibr cruise missiles into civilian apartment blocks. No more of that shit.

To add insult to the injury the video feed was translated from a cameras installed in the Black Sea Fleet .... err .... flotilla HQ.


Do you get paid to post Ukey propaganda here?

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2231014
263   MolotovCocktail   2025 Dec 16, 8:39am  

zzyzzx says

Given the relatively small number of Russian submarines in the Crimea, I have to either conclude one of the following:
1. Making a submersible drone is actually pretty easy.
2. Ukraine was highly motivated to make a weapon just to take out a small number of one type of weapon, or maybe it's potentially useful on ships as well.
3. It's a rebranded weapon made by someone else, and someone else wanted to test their weapon in a real life combat situation.


4. It's just Ukey propaganda bullshit Eric_Holder posted here on PatNer:

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2231014

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