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Made homemade Gyros tonight. Blend of beef and chicken (didn't have lamb... baaaaahhhh). I don't get people that don't eat meat. Who gives a shit. They have no ground to stand on. It tastes amazing if made or cooked for you properly. I put the plant stuff on top of the meat. Problem solved.

Give no shits about a cow, pig, chicken that will die at some point. They can't talk. Plants are living anyway. It's one of the dumbest arguments because someone went to a petting zoo as a kid and had shitty parents. Eat what you want, but legit vegans will die earlier as humans. Feel bad for yourself if you're on that team. That cow will be laughing at you.

I'm Vegan as fuck, I could eat Cabbage, Cauliflower, Broccoli, Squash, simmered in a ham hock broth and a little butter for good measure.
That's some damn good eatin, and wont miss a meat entre when I eat it. Where's my pepper vinegar and fresh sliced onions?

Tenpoundbass says

I'm Vegan as fuck, I could eat Cabbage, Cauliflower, Broccoli, Squash, simmered in a ham hock broth and a little butter for good measure.

I like the 15 bean soup simmered with a ham hock or smoked turkey wings.

Ham hocks are great!

WookieMan says

Made homemade Gyros tonight

I once made an Italian sausage, I thought I bought equal ground pork and ground beef, but when I got home I had ground lamb and ground beef.
So I followed the Italian sausage recipe as planned, and it turned out to be a dead ringer for gyro meat.
So change of plan went back to the store and grabbed Pita bread, Yogurt, green onion, limes and dill. The hoagie rolls I had for the peppers and onions were saved for another day, another sammich.

I made a rectangle patty about the width and length of a gyro slice, and baked it. Then cut thin slices off that and seared it in a skillet before making the gyros. The best gyros I've had, outside of a good Greek joint that does it right. Damn sight better than Gyroville.

It's amazing what lamb will do and make the recipe something totally different.

My vegetable list above simmered in ham and butter, is an either list and not all at the same time.

HeadSet says

I like the 15 bean soup simmered with a ham hock or smoked turkey wings.

There used to be a New England butcher store down here called Pen Dutch. They had that inch and half to two inch thick Kielbasa with the red snappy skins, and Smokey flavor.
We used to put in red beans that were to die for. I haven't seen a decent Kielbasa since they closed. It's the way I remembered Kielbasa when my Mom and Dad used to buy it and make it. Now you'll see Johnsonville, or Hillshire Farms, it's about 3/4 to an inch tops, and just taste like some crappy sausage. Not the distinct Kielbasa I think of when want Kielbasa. It should be crime what they call Kielbasa these days.

Tenpoundbass says

I once made an Italian sausage

My past 2 trips to the local HEB and no Italian sausage. Well, they had `chicken` Italian sausage or whatever.

Costco used to sell that stuff in giant packs when I was in San Diego but I quit going to Costco over a year ago because they quit selling prime steaks. In Texas.

just_passing_through says

Tenpoundbass says

I once made an Italian sausage

My past 2 trips to the local HEB and no Italian sausage. Well, they had `chicken` Italian sausage or whatever.

Costco used to sell that stuff in giant packs when I was in San Diego but I quit going to Costco over a year ago because they quit selling prime steaks. In Texas.

I generally don't buy chain store meat. Good friends with a butcher/family friend. Maybe hit the local grocery store and catch the sale meat. I live once. I'm getting the good stuff unless it's on sale when getting other cheap stuff.

I still like getting a 1/4-1/2 a pig/cow about this time of year. I think we have 3-4 freezers? I'm outlawed from grocery shopping because I'll drop $200 when I go out to get a tomato and an onion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5MgDI6cbY

Short rib lasagna... 1min video.

WookieMan says

I'm outlawed from grocery shopping because I'll drop $200 when I go out to get a tomato and an onion.

That sounds about right. You could get breakfast at the Four Seasons for what I pay at the cash register when I run to the store to grab a few items for Sunday country breakfast.

WookieMan says

I generally don't buy chain store meat.

Was hard to get fresh meat in California where BBQ mostly meant grilled chicken. Costco and Sprouts were the only options I knew of. I have a pal here and we're debating splitting 1/2 a cow soon. I probably need more more freezer as I've 1/2 filled the one I bought for that already.

I still have to fly back to the bay area once in a while to check into work headquarters in SF. Less and less options for meat at restaurants etc.,. Lots of different faces vs. 20 years ago. Many more muslims... Burqas in the molecular biology labs and so on...

Tenpoundbass says

That sounds about right. You could get breakfast at the Four Seasons for what I pay at the cash register when I run to the store to grab a few items for Sunday country breakfast.

Sounds good though. Tomorrow is Sunday... I know pilots do their $100 burgers on the weekend, but with inflation it's probably a $300-400 burger now.

just_passing_through says

My past 2 trips to the local HEB and no Italian sausage. Well, they had `chicken` Italian sausage or whatever.

I took my kids to Bass Pro Shops today to look at the fish tank and window shop for fishing gear, to inspire them to not be little pains in the ass.
As only serious people can fish.
But I was checking out the sausage making section, and couldn't find any quick cure salt. No type of curing salt, not even pickling salt. They have these $22 packs of premade seasons for one batch of sausage. But no salt on its own, that could make many batches. The stores don't sell decent sausage as many meat producers have been run out of business. I think they are gearing us up to eat zee bugs. They don't want us making sausage out of roadkill when the shit hits the fan.
Come to think of it, how would a vegan like being trapped in a room with Patnet?

Tenpoundbass says

The stores don't sell decent sausage as many meat producers have been run out of business.

This is true, lots of ranchers complaining that there are only 4 meat packing companies left after all of the mergers. Where 50 years ago they had their choice of several with only a short local drive.

just_passing_through says

Tenpoundbass says

The stores don't sell decent sausage as many meat producers have been run out of business.

This is true, lots of ranchers complaining that there are only 4 meat packing companies left after all of the mergers. Where 50 years ago they had their choice of several with only a short local drive.

We get our meat from a family farm in CNY. They have to give over their meat to "approved" meat processors. All praise High Cunt Hochul and the PRNY.

I'm going to be getting some things from Famous Amos's farm soon:

https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/

The Pennsylvania dept of agriculture nazis have been trying to put them out of business. Robert Barnes has been suing for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bU95gVeDk

The attack on our food is real.

Thankfully, Barnes is a bad ass.

just_passing_through says

I'm going to be getting some things from Famous Amos's farm soon:

https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/

The Pennsylvania dept of agriculture nazis have been trying to put them out of business. Robert Barnes has been suing for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bU95gVeDk

The attack on our food is real.

Thankfully, Barnes is a bad ass.

The Dept agr and fda goons have been waging war on small raw/direct farmers forever, but it has never been worse than since demonrats took office. I used to buy raw milk from WF and other stores until they made it almost impossible for these stores to carry it and for farmers to sell it. There hasn't been a single case of salmonella or e coli sickness from raw milk in decades and in 50 years you can maybe find a handful of cases if at all. Fuck these goons and long live small farmers

Tenpoundbass says

They don't want us making sausage out of roadkill when the shit hits the fan.

Around here, there are still small shops that will process deer for you. During survival training, I remember filling small sections of intestine with blood, letting it dry, then hanging it in a parachute material teepee along with strips of cut meat to smoke with aspen bark. The "sausage" and meat strips self-seasoned with the aspen smoke and tasted surprisingly good.

richwicks says

I was a vegetarian for 25 years

why?

Tenpoundbass says

We used to put in red beans that were to die for.

question: Is to die for better than divine? Asking for a friend.

komputodo says

richwicks says

I was a vegetarian for 25 years

why?

Propaganda...

Amateurs... They broke the 6th yoke.

I'm going to open myself up to ridicule by saying this. I won't go into all of the details, about 16-17 years ago my wife & I went plant based and it literally saved my life. Without going into details, I was given 1-3 years to live 'at best.' My condition reversed without medical assistance and zero medications. So as far as it being healthier, I have no doubt about it.

Just another example: I have a friend that is the head of the local Electrical Workers Union, he's Italian (I kid him about being a mobster) and loves to eat. He is 52 years old married with 3 kids. He is not the kind of guy that likes to share personal information, but one night he began telling me about all of his health problems. The following week, he was going to have surgery for kidney stones. He also told me that he has heart stents, which I did not know about.

Alright, long story short. I told him what the plant based diet has done for my wife & I and although he seemed interested, I doubted he would make any type of change in his diet. The next day, to my surprise, I got a message from him telling me that he stayed up until 4:00 AM checking out plant based diets on the internet. That was back in May of 2023. When I saw him about 3 weeks ago, the guy looked like a completely different person. He told me that he decided that night to go plant based and that he lost 46 pounds (was about 220 lbs.), is off of his blood pressure meds and that his Cardiologist is baffled.

PS: For what it is worth: when I went 'plant based,' it was due entirely for health reasons. Again, I actually reversed my heart condition without any assistance whatsoever from the traditional medical community. In fact, had I listened to them back then, there is no doubt I wouldn't be here today. (A married couple that I knew both had the same condition that I did, although slightly worse. Both died within one year of their diagnosis).

RayAmerica says

I'm going to open myself up to ridicule by saying this.

Why would any of that open you up to ridicule? If doing a plant-based diet works for you, be it for health or philosophical reasons, what is the problem? I do not think anyone here wants to disallow another's diet; they just do not want a plant-based diet forced on anyone else.

HeadSet says

RayAmerica says

I'm going to open myself up to ridicule by saying this.

Why would any of that open you up to ridicule? If doing a plant-based diet works for you, be it for health or philosophical reasons, what is the problem? I do not think anyone here wants to disallow another's diet; they just do not want a plant-based diet forced on anyone else.

I honestly don't care about anyone's diet. Move is all I tell people. I got a clean bill of health after my seizure. MRI, EEG, Cat scan, blood tests. Stress induced according to my neurologist.

I think poor health has more to do with your job. If you sit all day it's awful for you. That's what a good chunk of Americans do today. Diet doesn't matter in my opinion unless all you do is eat Hostess type sugar products. Basically trash. Lower weight helps, but you can do that eating meat, plants or cats and dogs.... lol. Just avoid processed foods really and get anything as natural as you can source. Grow a garden. Buy a butchered cow or pig from a local farmer. Get chickens if you have the land. Don't eat candy.

But again, you need to move. Wake up at 5am and do a 3 mile walk or bike 10 miles. Doesn't need to be anything strenuous. Fasting helps as well. I'm not jacked, but I look normal, not fat. Eat what I want. Source of the food is probably bigger than anything. Even plant based can be bad for you.

WookieMan says

Eat what I want.

Well not always. The timing and irony of this comment.... today. Just launched breakfast out of my mouth. Food poisoning/or just isn't what I needed. Local pizza place that makes breakfast pizza. Lazy Sunday just turned into feeling like shit.

IMHO people go to plant-based food because it is a path to "pure food." Most industrially produced food is toxic long term. Once people discover REAL organic, wholistic food, it starts detoxifying their bodies, and they think it's great. I agree to some extent.

Plant-based diets are, for those who can juggle the myriad complexities, perhaps a solution. Mankind, however, didn't rise to sentience based on plants - for the counterexample, look at Gorillas, who use lower intestinal fermentation to create the real alimentary nutrients that their bodies need. It gave them big bodies, but small brains.

Humans rose to sentience by 1) mastering fire 2) ranging weapons for hunting 3) eating the extremely nutritionally dense meat and fat of ruminants, in no particular order. 100% grass-fed (none of this grain finishing bullshit) is a complete food - eating the meat and fat of naturally fatty animals provides 100% of all nutrients which a human needs. If meat causes illness, then it's not natural meat - it's factory feedlot meat.

Vegetables, certain beans and tubers have their place, but grains are not your friend. People of Northern European stock are particularly susceptible to the bad effects of gluten.

Hell, Peterson's daughter was all fucked up with autoimmune issues for most of her life until she went grass-fed carnivore - this was her way to detox.

In my own case, my wife was infertile until she could sufficiently detox to become pregnant. This took 1-2 years of eating REAL, WHOLE FOOD.