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Hypothetical scenario.

They cloned sheep in 2000s , means by now they might have human clones. China or US, all secret project. Clones however are not perfect, and may be very confused about sexuality. All this LGBT awareness may be to get everyone used to all the gayness that will be coming up

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

One trick the UMC Lesbians pulled is that Churches must vote individually, rather by region, to leave, just to be pains in the ass.

The most vile faux Church in America, aside from the nutty Unitarians who aren't even Christian by any stretch, is the Episcopagans. They don't allow exiting denominations to take their church or even pay for it, and instead sell it to Muslims for less than the leaving churches offered to pay, just to be LGBTQ Left Assholes.

They're also asshole people, from men who divorce their wives and children to live as openly, practicing Gays but retain their cleric status (Bishop Robinson), to repeat Drunk Driving Bishops (and Female!) like Heather Cook:
https://spectator.org/episcopagans/

AmericanKulak says

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

I'm Roman Catholic and the stance of the Catholic church is clear. Most if not all (Christian) churches promote the nuclear family and having kids, so naturally they should all be opposed.

mell says

AmericanKulak says

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

I'm Roman Catholic and the stance of the Catholic church bis clear. Most if not all (Christian) churches promote the nuclear family and having kids, so naturally they should all be opposed.

Thanks Mell. My red lines are: Absolutely no female clerics, no replacement theory, and Mary is just a woman, though blessed, just a person. So RC and Methodism generally is out.

Oh, and Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them, not to tolerate their sins as valid.

Although I admire Bishop Sheen as well as Whitfield and the Wesleys.

AmericanKulak says

mell says

AmericanKulak says

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

I'm Roman Catholic and the stance of the Catholic church bis clear. Most if not all (Christian) churches promote the nuclear family and having kids, so naturally they should all be opposed.

Thank...

Agreed. The one thing I do struggle with is the no abortion on rape. Of course one would think that one of the first things a woman would make sure after a horrific rape is to take the plan b pill to not even become pregnant from the rapist, but it's difficult to argue when you consider a real rape (not the fake mattress girl type) and the mental status and trauma. But church is not here to be like the government or "everyone else", otherwise its existence would be pointless.

mell says

The one thing I do struggle with is the no abortion on rape.

I think the solution to this problem is an extremely well funded organization to provide the absolute best care and comfort for those raped.

KgK one says

They cloned sheep in 2000s , means by now they might have human clones. China or US, all secret project. Clones however are not perfect, and may be very confused about sexuality. All this LGBT awareness may be to get everyone used to all the gayness that will be coming up

I'm certain human beings have been cloned at this point, but maybe not to full development.

The problem with cloning mammals is they have a reduced lifespan because of the shorter telomeres. These are repeating patterns at the end of chromosomes that don't encode for anything. Every time a cell duplicates, a portion of the telomere does NOT get copied. This causes our aging it's though.

The telomeres prevent cells from being immortal and from dividing uncontrollably - when this happens, you get cancer.

Dolly the sheep died an early death, because when it was born, it was already effectively 1/2 way through its life span.

AmericanKulak says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

I will never sit with people like Anthony Fauci before socking their lights out!

I'm sorry but when you sit with scumbags, you only justify their ways. It's the old adage ... if you cuddle with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas.

AmericanKulak says

Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

Any chance you have more information on this?

Rin says

AmericanKulak says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

I will never sit with people like Anthony Fauci before socking their lights out!

I'm sorry but when you sit with scumbags, you only justify their ways. It's the old adage ... if you cuddle with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas.

yep in the bible its simply… “you get like those around you”. taught that to my daughter so she avoids bad crowds.

WineHorror1 says

Any chance you have more information on this?

I don't have the resource, but you might find this in depth interview with two Nigerian Bishops, and how the UMC LGBTQ+ have been trying to sneak homosexuality in through the back door for a very long time. One of their tricks was to try to regionalize homosexuality only, so the US division could officiate gay weddings and have gay clerics:

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/475587-interview-ill-quit-methodist-church-if-it-accepts-same-sex-marriage-nigerian-bishop.html

Note the split isn't finalized; these clerics will probably join Global Methodist Church.

UPDATE: It's more convoluted than I remember it. Arguments about Confessions, Articles of Faith, etc. "Church Law" usually put me to sleep, but here it is if you're interested:
https://juicyecumenism.com/2017/10/24/case-closed-affirming-homosexual-practice-irreconcilably-contrary-core-united-methodist-doctrine/

I guess, it’s part of just be in line with the rest. I have been seeing rainbow flag for almost a year at my neighborhood church. I am afraid this US made up stuff may spread out and spoil the world.

"Just be a vaguely nice person according to the standard of this time and based on peer pressure. That's all the Bible is about. Also, ban guns." - The Bible according to Woke Churches.

AmericanKulak says

"Just be a vaguely nice person according to the standard of this time and based on peer pressure. That's all the Bible is about. Also, ban guns." - The Bible according to Woke Churches.

yeah thats the culture, anything goes mentality, all morality subjective.

The priests have always been gay, they are just expressing their true selves now.

Rin says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

Let’s be honest here Rin, you part ways with Jesus at the first 10 commandments. God love you, but let’s not pretend you are righteous and Jesus is not based on who you are interested in dining with.

With all due respect I agree with and appreciate your passion for standing up against injustice and murderers like Fauci, but you must understand that when Jesus ate with “sinners” it means he ate with people like you and me, and was not interested in schmoozing with the Pharisees and Sadducees (the modern equivalent of pope and bishops and religious professionals).

mell says

the stance of the Catholic church is clear

I just heard about this today:

https://www.brighteon.com/d87c291d-ab32-4de2-841b-d2b75329ee5e

Pope Francis appoints pro-LGBT clergy to key Vatican posts

PeopleUnited says

Let’s be honest here Rin, you part ways with Jesus at the first 10 commandments. God love you, but let’s not pretend you are righteous and Jesus is not based on who you are interested in dining with.

Actually, I'm authentic. Righteousness has nothing to do with it.

So let's go over the 10Cs

:You shall have no other gods before Me.

If he's the creator of the universe then it's logical that I acknowledge this and thus, no need for a moon deity like Allah.

:You shall make no idols.

I have no statues in my home.

:You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

And when have I ever quoted him ... for my own glory?

:Keep the Sabbath day holy.

Sorry, but that's a scheduling issue. I can't just make a random day of the week, free of work.

:Honor your father and your mother.

My dad has narcissistic personality disorder. Honor that and you're just like him. Remember the remark about dogs & fleas.

:You shall not murder.

So far, so good

:You shall not commit adultery.

I'm single & thus, adultery has nothing to do with it.

:You shall not steal.

So far, so good.

:You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

So far, so good.

:You shall not covet.

I've already made some money. So no. I don't need to covet money.

https://slaynews.com/news/five-tampa-bay-rays-players-refuse-to-wear-lgbt-logo-on-uniforms-over-religious-beliefs/

Tampa Bay Rays Players Refuse to Wear Gay Pride Logo on Uniforms Due to Religious Beliefs

Five Tampa Bay Rays baseball players have refused to wear the gay pride logo on their uniforms because of their religious beliefs.

Major League Baseball pitchers Jason Adam, Jalen Beeks, Brooks Raley, Jeffrey Springs, and Ryan Thompson said they accept everyone and don’t “look down on anybody.”

However, refused to wear the new uniforms Saturday when the team wore rainbow-colored sleeve patches.

“So it’s a hard decision,” Jason Adam said.

“Because ultimately we all said what we want is them to know that all are welcome and loved here.

“But when we put it on our bodies, I think a lot of guys decided that it’s just a lifestyle that maybe — not that they look down on anybody or think differently — it’s just that maybe we don’t want to encourage it.

It's a start, but they should not be so apologetic.

Patrick says

mell says

the stance of the Catholic church is clear

I just heard about this today:

https://www.brighteon.com/d87c291d-ab32-4de2-841b-d2b75329ee5e

Pope Francis appoints pro-LGBT clergy to key Vatican posts

Oh I'm sure Francis is trying to "change" that. But even our old catholic church/parish in SF is not giving an inch to aborters and sodomites

Rin says

Actually, I'm authentic. Righteousness has nothing to do with it.

So let's go over the 10Cs

We could debate line by line, (did you deliberately skip the part about honoring father and mother because of an imperfect father?) but Jesus did talk to a wealthy man who responded just like you...

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Do you think Jesus is impressed by keeping the commandments? No, I don’t think he is.

I Timothy 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God,

I would not describe your character as authentic, but rather as consistent and genuine. Those are good qualities. But I would expect that a real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue, just sayin. It is possible to be genuine and consistent and still need a savior.

Rin says

You shall not covet.

I've already made some money. So no. I don't need to covet money.

Coveting isn't only about $$.

PeopleUnited says

still need a savior.

This is a topic for another thread but most people are channelers. And thus, nothing can save 'em. Immanuel Swedenborg was a conscious one, others do it unconsciously.

PeopleUnited says

honoring father and mother because of an imperfect father?

If Joe Stalin was my dad, I'd most definitely dishonor him.

PeopleUnited says

real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue

Well, then it should be on prominent display in my living room but instead, it's housed in a closet, just like the vacuum cleaner. Otherwise, all our appliances are idols.

https://spectator.org/methodist-church-first-drag-queen-pastor-god-is-nothing/

Rin says

still need a savior.

This is a topic for another thread but most people are channelers. And thus, nothing can save 'em. Immanuel Swedenborg was a conscious one, others do it unconsciously.

I’m not much of a channeler, don’t waste my time on TV, but I do like movies. A good one I saw recently is God’s Not Dead.

Rin says

If Joe Stalin was my dad, I'd most definitely dishonor him.

If Joe was my dad I’d probably be dead. He would not like what I had to say to him.

WineHorror1 says

real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue

Well, then it should be on prominent display in my living room but instead, it's housed in a closet, just like the vacuum cleaner. Otherwise, all our appliances are idols.

A lot of people keep their idols in the closet. Garage, bank account, Marina, etc... there are many forms of idolatry.

Well, I do have to say that they are sticking to their principles.