Chicoms using US citizens Tik Tok data
2022 Jun 18, 12:29am 8,340 views 50 comments
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access
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SunnyvaleCA
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2022 Jun 18, 12:48am
China is spying on US citizens even more than the US is spying on US citizens!
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richwicks
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2022 Jun 18, 2:09am
richwicks
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2022 Jun 18, 2:09am
Get on TikTok - check it out.
https://www.tiktok.com/
I don't think it's designed to spy on people. It's designed to make people crazy and I'm NOT exaggerating about that.
There's not a single video on there that is educational or thought provoking. It's all cotton candy.
What could possibly be the point on spying on the people that would use TikTok? The people that use it, are devoid of any higher thinking whatsoever. A significant number of users on it, are legitimately insane.
https://www.tiktok.com/
I don't think it's designed to spy on people. It's designed to make people crazy and I'm NOT exaggerating about that.
There's not a single video on there that is educational or thought provoking. It's all cotton candy.
What could possibly be the point on spying on the people that would use TikTok? The people that use it, are devoid of any higher thinking whatsoever. A significant number of users on it, are legitimately insane.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Jun 18, 6:37am
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Jun 18, 6:37am
They have access via Perkins/Coie to the FBI databases, so why not?
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SunnyvaleCA
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2022 Jun 18, 3:42pm
richwicks says
Yeah, I have to agree with you there!
What could possibly by the point on spying on the people that would use TikTok? The people that use it, are devoid of any higher thinking whatsoever.
Yeah, I have to agree with you there!
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Hircus
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2022 Jun 18, 6:07pm
Hircus
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2022 Jun 18, 6:07pm
Allowing this chinese cultural spyware and influence machine to continue running is sooo fucking stupid.
If I want to be an optimist here, maybe they fear banning it will cause chyna to retaliate and ban our stuff, and maybe they hope tiktok will just die soon and stop being a problem for us. But I think its silly to allow this and pretend its an acceptable business. We need to stop the BS pretending that were friends.
If I want to be an optimist here, maybe they fear banning it will cause chyna to retaliate and ban our stuff, and maybe they hope tiktok will just die soon and stop being a problem for us. But I think its silly to allow this and pretend its an acceptable business. We need to stop the BS pretending that were friends.
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richwicks
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2022 Jun 19, 3:17pm
richwicks
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2022 Jun 19, 3:17pm
PeopleUnited says
It's Libs of TIKTOK for a reason.
You can't do anything similar on any other platform and it's not because there's censorship on those platforms. TikTok encourages insane behavior.
richwicks says
A significant number of users on it, are legitimately insane.
Fact check: plausible
It's Libs of TIKTOK for a reason.
You can't do anything similar on any other platform and it's not because there's censorship on those platforms. TikTok encourages insane behavior.
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richwicks
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2022 Jun 23, 2:26am
richwicks
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2022 Jun 23, 2:26am
Patrick says
Go onto tiktok.com
It's just a bunch of insane people - how do you exploit that information?
It's a platform to encourage insanity, not to spy on people. They MIGHT spy on people, but it's like spying on the dregs of society. "Oh, how can I exploit this non binary bread gender person?" - you can't. You can get it fired, maybe, that's it - libsoftiktok will do it for you.
Go to the site:
https://www.tiktok.com/
It's the most brainless site on the internet. I suspect the average IQ of the users there is 90. It's like trying to eat a gallon of ice cream. It's so mindnumbing.
https://notthebee.com/article/leaked-audio-shows-americans-tiktok-data-repeatedly-accessed-from-china
Go onto tiktok.com
It's just a bunch of insane people - how do you exploit that information?
It's a platform to encourage insanity, not to spy on people. They MIGHT spy on people, but it's like spying on the dregs of society. "Oh, how can I exploit this non binary bread gender person?" - you can't. You can get it fired, maybe, that's it - libsoftiktok will do it for you.
Go to the site:
https://www.tiktok.com/
It's the most brainless site on the internet. I suspect the average IQ of the users there is 90. It's like trying to eat a gallon of ice cream. It's so mindnumbing.
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Patrick
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2022 Jul 6, 8:44pm
Patrick
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2022 Jul 6, 8:44pm
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/babylon-bee-banned-from-tiktok-without-explanation-or-option-to-appeal/
The good news is that Tiktok has less quality content on it now.
The good news is that Tiktok has less quality content on it now.
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Patrick
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2022 Dec 16, 10:00am
Patrick
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2022 Dec 16, 10:00am
https://babylonbee.com/news/china-threatens-to-fire-senators-who-voted-for-tiktok-ban
BEIJING — China's President Xi issued a stern warning to American politicians this week, vowing that any members of Congress who dare to vote for a ban on TikTok will be fired from their jobs.
"We hired all you American legislators to do one job: weaken and destroy America from within," said Xi gravely. "If you can't prove your fealty to the glorious CCP who graciously put you in your position, it will go on your performance review, and trust me — you don't want that to happen."
Already, lawmakers in Washington are backing away from supporting legislation that would ban the use of TikTok on government devices, although they insist it has nothing to do with the Chinese threat. "I just really like TikTok!" said Representative Eric Swalwell. "Fang Fang is on there! Um, I mean, it's so fun and creative!"
"I believe we need to think twice about banning this wonderful app," said Senator Mitch McConnell. "Have you seen the dancing girls on there? Such talent!"
President Xi has warned any lawmakers running for reelection that he won't secretly support their campaigns unless they comply. At publishing time, Army Chief of Staff General Milley had instructed his entire chain of command to download the app.
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KgK one
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2022 Dec 16, 9:20pm
Google, amazon, youtube, facebk, insta, what's app, etc all collect data from all over the world. China doing same, should not be a surprise.
Curious what can u gather from girls dancing , pics , age, what else?
Curious what can u gather from girls dancing , pics , age, what else?
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Dec 16, 10:16pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Dec 16, 10:16pm
KgK one says
If they use the app, their phone number, linked accounts and add ons that use the app, their current location, where they work, shop, etc.
Most people, esp. young people, use the apps.
Google, amazon, youtube, facebk, insta, what's app, etc all collect data from all over the world. China doing same, should not be a surprise.
Curious what can u gather from girls dancing , pics , age, what else?
If they use the app, their phone number, linked accounts and add ons that use the app, their current location, where they work, shop, etc.
Most people, esp. young people, use the apps.
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richwicks
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2022 Dec 17, 8:40am
richwicks
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2022 Dec 17, 8:40am
AmericanKulak says
That isn't useful information that China can exploit considering that children and weirdos are the ones that use TikTok.
People who use Amazon, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter - they're just pathetic.
KgK one says
Google, amazon, youtube, facebk, insta, what's app, etc all collect data from all over the world. China doing same, should not be a surprise.
Curious what can u gather from girls dancing , pics , age, what else?
If they use the app, their phone number, linked accounts and add ons that use the app, their current location, where they work, shop, etc.
Most people, esp. young people, use the apps.
That isn't useful information that China can exploit considering that children and weirdos are the ones that use TikTok.
People who use Amazon, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter - they're just pathetic.
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Hircus
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2022 Dec 17, 12:22pm
Hircus
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2022 Dec 17, 12:22pm
KgK one says
Big tech / big brother learns incredible amounts of things about people via phone apps. To most users, it is simply unfathomable how much can be learned and derived.
Like mentioned above, they get location data, phone #, unique id tracking numbers and locations of all wifi access points you come near, and same for bluetooth (every phone you walk near...). And timestamps for each of these things. This data allows them to see your location habits, like your daily path, what stores/locations you visit, who your friends / acquaintances are. This data can easily be combined in massive aggregates, and they can use it to make incredibly scary accurate predictions about your personality, your likes/dislikes, politics, spending/behavioral habits, and more. This data often lets them derive who you personally are.
Just think about a single data stream - location. With location alone, they can easily learn where you work, where you live/sleep at night, and who your friends/family are (2 phones often in the same places at the same times = friends/family/coworker/etc, and the common location tells them even more about the relation, such as if the common location is personal, such as a residential home, and what other types of common locations theyve seen you together at). They also stand a good chance at learning some of your interests: frequent home depot trips on saturdays? Weekend warrior diyer. Weekday mornings filled with Home depot and other construction related locations? Maybe a contractor. Drag strips and auto parts stores? Gearhead. As an example, being a contractor or gearhead will factor into many other predictions about you, much as someone who frequents some trendy soy coffee house - pretty easy to guess the likely politics and interests of each of these groups of people.
Keep in mind they not only get to make predictions about who/what you are by observing these things, but they also learn as they go. Some signals may strongly suggest that maybe 10,000 of their users are gearheads, and they then get to analyze and discover what other types of interests/behaviors is common in gearheads. How many like mexican food? How many are gay? How frequently they leave their home / what hours. Do they go out on july 4th to watch fireworks? Do they ever show up at protests, and if so, which types? Do they vote in person? Do they watch the superbowl (obviously not if theyre traveling during superbowl hours)? Do they go camping? Do they travel? What types of vacations? Each of these answers has further predictive power. The more you know, the better you can predict other things, which allows you to make further predictions. It's self reinforcing.
This is just a tiny example of what they can do with location alone. The whole game gets more effective the more data streams they add into the mix. I guarantee you there's also predictive opportunities in simply paying attention to how fast someone swipes to the next video when the video contains xyz content, or how many hours they can keep you swiping by showing content abc. Did you suddenly stop swping when the algo fed you some woke crap? Did you swipe with renewed vigor for the next 10 minutes when the algo started talking about orange man bad? They can learn so much about you from even subtle sub second differences in your swipe response time.
Sometimes they get lucky and the data is strong and unambiguous, and they may feel 99.9% confident they know your personal name/identity, while other times maybe lesser confident (they know your house has 3 people who sleep there, and maybe knows 1-2 of the names for sure, but arent sure which one you are). It depends on what they want to use the data for as to how sure of their predictions they need to be. But, I think maybe one of the most likely uses (for now) is to influence people, and you dont need perfect accuracy for this, just be correct more often than wrong. It just so happens that knowing all this stuff about people allows them to deliver superb advertising. But, the very same data can be used to advertise can be used for influence in general. It can help them estimate how certain events/actions will be received by various groups in a population, and also how to sway each of those groups towards their desired result. i.e. if they want to encourage the usa to allow more muslim immigrants, the way you optimally craft that argument is very different for a liberal target, vs a conservative, vs a catholic, vs a librarian etc... and even better, they have the data and feedback loops to actually deliver such an influence campaign to these various groups and measure the effectiveness of each tailored argument, allowing them to hone their tactics in time. They can easily test the same argument w/ 100 baristas vs 100 auto mechanics. This allows them to gradually learn how to get better and better at influencing people, because they essentially have unlimited polls to learn from without having to ever conduct a poll.
IMO there's incredible psychological predictive power in all of this. They freely admit they use all this data for advertising, and advertising is really just the art of making people buy the "correct" products and services - manipulation. The same manipulation can be applied for so many other uses. Personally, I think this enormous monitoring and influence apparatus is a large part of why the west seems to have gone crazy these past 10-15 years: it is the very same era where tracking and massive analytics "for advertising" became popular. Foreign govts want this data for the same reason the us govt does - influence and control.
Curious what can u gather from girls dancing , pics , age, what else?
Big tech / big brother learns incredible amounts of things about people via phone apps. To most users, it is simply unfathomable how much can be learned and derived.
Like mentioned above, they get location data, phone #, unique id tracking numbers and locations of all wifi access points you come near, and same for bluetooth (every phone you walk near...). And timestamps for each of these things. This data allows them to see your location habits, like your daily path, what stores/locations you visit, who your friends / acquaintances are. This data can easily be combined in massive aggregates, and they can use it to make incredibly scary accurate predictions about your personality, your likes/dislikes, politics, spending/behavioral habits, and more. This data often lets them derive who you personally are.
Just think about a single data stream - location. With location alone, they can easily learn where you work, where you live/sleep at night, and who your friends/family are (2 phones often in the same places at the same times = friends/family/coworker/etc, and the common location tells them even more about the relation, such as if the common location is personal, such as a residential home, and what other types of common locations theyve seen you together at). They also stand a good chance at learning some of your interests: frequent home depot trips on saturdays? Weekend warrior diyer. Weekday mornings filled with Home depot and other construction related locations? Maybe a contractor. Drag strips and auto parts stores? Gearhead. As an example, being a contractor or gearhead will factor into many other predictions about you, much as someone who frequents some trendy soy coffee house - pretty easy to guess the likely politics and interests of each of these groups of people.
Keep in mind they not only get to make predictions about who/what you are by observing these things, but they also learn as they go. Some signals may strongly suggest that maybe 10,000 of their users are gearheads, and they then get to analyze and discover what other types of interests/behaviors is common in gearheads. How many like mexican food? How many are gay? How frequently they leave their home / what hours. Do they go out on july 4th to watch fireworks? Do they ever show up at protests, and if so, which types? Do they vote in person? Do they watch the superbowl (obviously not if theyre traveling during superbowl hours)? Do they go camping? Do they travel? What types of vacations? Each of these answers has further predictive power. The more you know, the better you can predict other things, which allows you to make further predictions. It's self reinforcing.
This is just a tiny example of what they can do with location alone. The whole game gets more effective the more data streams they add into the mix. I guarantee you there's also predictive opportunities in simply paying attention to how fast someone swipes to the next video when the video contains xyz content, or how many hours they can keep you swiping by showing content abc. Did you suddenly stop swping when the algo fed you some woke crap? Did you swipe with renewed vigor for the next 10 minutes when the algo started talking about orange man bad? They can learn so much about you from even subtle sub second differences in your swipe response time.
Sometimes they get lucky and the data is strong and unambiguous, and they may feel 99.9% confident they know your personal name/identity, while other times maybe lesser confident (they know your house has 3 people who sleep there, and maybe knows 1-2 of the names for sure, but arent sure which one you are). It depends on what they want to use the data for as to how sure of their predictions they need to be. But, I think maybe one of the most likely uses (for now) is to influence people, and you dont need perfect accuracy for this, just be correct more often than wrong. It just so happens that knowing all this stuff about people allows them to deliver superb advertising. But, the very same data can be used to advertise can be used for influence in general. It can help them estimate how certain events/actions will be received by various groups in a population, and also how to sway each of those groups towards their desired result. i.e. if they want to encourage the usa to allow more muslim immigrants, the way you optimally craft that argument is very different for a liberal target, vs a conservative, vs a catholic, vs a librarian etc... and even better, they have the data and feedback loops to actually deliver such an influence campaign to these various groups and measure the effectiveness of each tailored argument, allowing them to hone their tactics in time. They can easily test the same argument w/ 100 baristas vs 100 auto mechanics. This allows them to gradually learn how to get better and better at influencing people, because they essentially have unlimited polls to learn from without having to ever conduct a poll.
IMO there's incredible psychological predictive power in all of this. They freely admit they use all this data for advertising, and advertising is really just the art of making people buy the "correct" products and services - manipulation. The same manipulation can be applied for so many other uses. Personally, I think this enormous monitoring and influence apparatus is a large part of why the west seems to have gone crazy these past 10-15 years: it is the very same era where tracking and massive analytics "for advertising" became popular. Foreign govts want this data for the same reason the us govt does - influence and control.
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Ceffer
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2022 Dec 17, 12:31pm
Ceffer
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2022 Dec 17, 12:31pm
Sure, all this information is 'available' and 'on record', but who can really unravel this surfeit of data, even with sophisticated database analysis tools? Who is worthy of the attention of a 100K a year spook analyst sitting at a computer screen parsing this shit for a particular individual? Who gets the 'one way whorehouse mirror' blackmail?
Only those at the proximity to the Emperor nodes of power are analyzed. The rest lies fallow 'in case of emergency'. It's the 'silence of the fwapping'. China seems to be fucking up big time with its experiments in Borg control. It's not helping them at all, even makes them look surpassingly foolish.
The grandiosity and rampant cruelty of the psychopaths still does not meet their capabilities. They only inflict sorties of disaster, which seems to be their historical norm.
Only those at the proximity to the Emperor nodes of power are analyzed. The rest lies fallow 'in case of emergency'. It's the 'silence of the fwapping'. China seems to be fucking up big time with its experiments in Borg control. It's not helping them at all, even makes them look surpassingly foolish.
The grandiosity and rampant cruelty of the psychopaths still does not meet their capabilities. They only inflict sorties of disaster, which seems to be their historical norm.
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