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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   15,163 views  180 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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163   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jun 25, 7:36pm  

For context, $3,000 back then is equivalent to about $330k today:

"“No one who does not earn more than $3,000 a year will be affected by the tax. If you are single and earn $3,001 a year, you will be required to pay a tax of one percent on that additional dollar. If you are married, however, the income exemption is fixed at $4,000, allowing $1,000 extra exemption for the care of a wife.” 25 June 2024, Armstrong Economics."

- Sioux City Journal, 17 November 1913
168   WookieMan   2024 Jul 4, 2:47pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says





He can't tax EV's fully yet or he'd be a hypocrite. The day of reckoning is coming. CA is still a majority ICE vehicle state. They will start bitching if it's just gas tax and not related to oil prices. EV's will be taxed. Just wait.
174   clambo   2024 Sep 14, 5:21am  

You have to give Trump credit for clever shit to bug the tax and spend liberal idiots.
175   RC2006   2024 Sep 14, 3:53pm  

clambo says

You have to give Trump credit for clever shit to bug the tax and spend liberal idiots.


Absolutely they can't even say anything without looking like even bigger assholes and alienating more blue collar workers.
177   ForcedTQ   2024 Sep 19, 9:16pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says






And this right here is why we need to KILL CARB! That state agency has long run its course with regards to private transport and even over the road commercial regulations. The ICE vehicles that can be purchased today are so fucking clean that the cost of incremental improvement vs. benefits to society are just not there.

Fuck a bunch of unelected bureaucrats!
179   WookieMan   2024 Sep 20, 5:02am  

ForcedTQ says

And this right here is why we need to KILL CARB! That state agency has long run its course with regards to private transport and even over the road commercial regulations. The ICE vehicles that can be purchased today are so fucking clean that the cost of incremental improvement vs. benefits to society are just not there.

Fuck a bunch of unelected bureaucrats!

I've been telling you CA cats this for probably 2 years now. The dip shits in charge didn't think of the loss in gas tax (MFT) with more EV's being on the road. Wait till your electric rates go up even more. It's going to be a double whammy. I'm no Ph.D on this topic but I have a Bachelors from my wife's work, experience and talking with engineers that make your roads. You guys are fucked. EV or ICE.

The earthquake happened. The Tsunami of taxes is coming. IL isn't good, but we at least got our ass kicked already and are recovering. CA has a long way to go.... if it can even recover. You're the Greece of the USA. Not sure there's hope outside of foreign investment. You can make $300k anywhere in the country for 1/4 of the cost of living. The crash is coming for you guys.

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