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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   16,861 views  234 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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233   clambo   2025 Jan 13, 2:35pm  

A few zillionaires live in Wyoming around Jackson Hole.
In 4 years I have saved over $25,000 in California state taxes.
I'm probably going to remain a renter in Florida but maybe an owner in Baja Sur, Mexico.
Property taxes are fantastically low in my area, about $200 bucks per year.
234   WookieMan   2025 Jan 13, 3:14pm  

Eric Holder says

In FL they get you with insurance, in TX and IL they get you with property taxes, not sure how they get you in MT, but I'm not even sure what to do there if one is not a farmer or hunting/fishing guide.

IL for sure on property taxes. About to eat shit on that. Hole is dug for the foundation. Probably looking at $14k/yr. MT I think is at 6.5% on income taxes. I think the property taxes are hefty there as well. Not as bad as IL or NJ. We're at 4.75% I think on income in IL.

If you drive a lot here you're tolled on the roads a lot, BUT they are good and well maintained. The federal interstates not so much. Coming in from the West to East it's 3 lanes on each side. I-55 and I-290 are piles of shit. 55 actually goes by all of Chicago's shit in Stickney. Like actual shit out your ass. Sewage. Have to drive that to get to the airport and I want to vomit every time.

Every state has their way of getting their cut. Could be something like registration fees on cars. I believe MN does it based on value of car at time of purchase. So buying a Lambo or huge truck there is not the smartest move.

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