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What about religious leaders who have been murdered by their countrymen? I think Jesus may be the only one.

NuttBoxer says

Robert Sproul says

This bummed me out because I always thought I could slide by in that I have lead a pretty good life in the way of not having robbed much and not killed at all.

This is the most common belief most people have. The problem is God is perfect(without sin). He cannot be with anyone who has sin. But nobodies perfect so we're all screwed.
This is where Jesus comes in. He was God and man. Sinless, but He died like a sinner, and His sacrifice covered our sin. That's how we slide in. Accept Christ's free gift of salvation. So you're not that far off, but you need some help. We can't do it on our own.

This is all just misplaced faith that you've been brainwashed into but you speak about it with certainty. It's like a disease being spread and your the spreader.

How can you not see this?

richwicks says

you've been brainwashed into

Yeah, but we are ALL 'brainwashed' into some particular rationale. Throughout human history a creation myth and belief in a deity was nearly universal.
When I was an Irritable Atheist I realized that it was just another type of 'faith' because I was supposed to 'believe' in the Big Bang and WTF did I 'know' about the Big Bang?
And now the BB is losing favor with some astrophysicists, what am I supposed to 'believe' now?

Robert Sproul says

And now the BB is losing favor with some astrophysicists, what am I supposed to 'believe' now?

Trust the science!


The scientists are never wrong, until it is discovered they were never really scientific at all.

NuttBoxer says

What about religious leaders who have been murdered by their countrymen? I think Jesus may be the only one.

Actually the Romans killed Jesus. But the Jews cheered for His execution. And ultimately He was killed as a sacrifice for our sins. So we are all complicit in His death. The thing is He is not a religious leader. He is God. A religious leader seeks to show people the way of salvation, but Jesus Christ is the way of salvation. I’m convinced that God hates religion, it always gets in the way of truly doing Gods will. Saul who became Paul is the prime example. Paul realized his true calling when he gave up his religion.