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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Sep 13, 10:58am
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Sep 13, 10:58am
It's a part, of that Neoliberal Fanta -seee
It's a part, of those Neoliberal Dreams
Neoliberal fantasy: Some Purple Haired "Kreative Klass" Moscovite 1%er enters Putin's office and convinces him to quit with shaming words from her lipringed mouth. Then some cuck takes over the Russian Presidency and gives free gas to Europe, in return for billions in loans secured by Russian oil/gas plants at 9% from the ECB.
It's a part, of those Neoliberal Dreams
Neoliberal fantasy: Some Purple Haired "Kreative Klass" Moscovite 1%er enters Putin's office and convinces him to quit with shaming words from her lipringed mouth. Then some cuck takes over the Russian Presidency and gives free gas to Europe, in return for billions in loans secured by Russian oil/gas plants at 9% from the ECB.
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Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 11:04am
Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 11:04am
Nah. Putin will just snuff a few more traitorous oligarchs, and he'll be fine. I think Pussy Riot have become chronically knocked up babushka fraus sipping vodka all day from coffee cups, so Putin is safe.
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Eric_Holder
2022 Sep 13, 12:04pm
Eric_Holder
2022 Sep 13, 12:04pm
ZipperTits says
Why not? We have plenty of Putin's knob polishers here and nature doesn't like disbalance. =))
Jesus Christ! I never thought PatNet would be loaded with Ukrainian Propaganda Bullshit Purveyors.
But then again, it is loaded with 'real estate experts' who insisted earlier this year that rates would not go up and the housing bubble would keep on a truckin', too.
God must love fools...because he makes so damn many of them.
Why not? We have plenty of Putin's knob polishers here and nature doesn't like disbalance. =))
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clambo
2022 Sep 13, 1:04pm
Putin is losing the war in Ukraine.
Historically, the guy in the Kremlin who loses a war has to go.
Whether this happens soon is anyone's guess.
How it happens is also anyone's guess.
A few more guys will die mysterious premature deaths before Putin does however.
Historically, the guy in the Kremlin who loses a war has to go.
Whether this happens soon is anyone's guess.
How it happens is also anyone's guess.
A few more guys will die mysterious premature deaths before Putin does however.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 1:33pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 1:33pm
If Putin was losing the war in Ukraine, why do we keep writing Zelinski a check.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 1:35pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 1:35pm
ZipperTits says
I think it's an even split, and from what I can tell thus far, we all respect each other's perspective and point of view on it. Even if we disagree. No need to disparage everyone here a some sort of stooge.
Jesus Christ! I never thought PatNet would be loaded with Ukrainian Propaganda Bullshit Purveyors.
I think it's an even split, and from what I can tell thus far, we all respect each other's perspective and point of view on it. Even if we disagree. No need to disparage everyone here a some sort of stooge.
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HeadSet
2022 Sep 13, 2:56pm
HeadSet
2022 Sep 13, 2:56pm
ZipperTits says
Correct. And now maybe Japan is eyeing return of those Kurils and Sakhalin.
If some shitty, too-bit turd world country can kick Russian ass, then why do we even need NATO anymore?
Correct. And now maybe Japan is eyeing return of those Kurils and Sakhalin.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 4:03pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 4:03pm
clambo says
I think this is funny as I know Europe is warning its citizens of energy shortages this winter.
Jesus Christ, we created the Internet so you idiots could realize what is going on, and you still have no fucking idea what the fuck is going on.
Putin will use nuclear weapons before he loses this war, I think. That's if Russia is telling the truth and sees Ukraine's ownership by the United States as an "existential threat".
They aren't even trying with this war. If they just want to end it, they can do it with a nuclear weapon today. Instead, they are going to draw this fucking out, and let Europe freeze, and allow revolution as people start to freeze to death in Europe. The first people that will revolt will be the rapefugees who are a bunch of entitled, useless, assholes that live off from productive citizens. Europe has been importing the fucking scum for the last 20 years at the behest of the United States that created the circumstances for their excuse to flee their country, as the US bombed their nations.
I hope every fucking quisling traitor in Europe is hung from lampposts and left to rot.
Putin is losing the war in Ukraine.
I think this is funny as I know Europe is warning its citizens of energy shortages this winter.
Jesus Christ, we created the Internet so you idiots could realize what is going on, and you still have no fucking idea what the fuck is going on.
Putin will use nuclear weapons before he loses this war, I think. That's if Russia is telling the truth and sees Ukraine's ownership by the United States as an "existential threat".
They aren't even trying with this war. If they just want to end it, they can do it with a nuclear weapon today. Instead, they are going to draw this fucking out, and let Europe freeze, and allow revolution as people start to freeze to death in Europe. The first people that will revolt will be the rapefugees who are a bunch of entitled, useless, assholes that live off from productive citizens. Europe has been importing the fucking scum for the last 20 years at the behest of the United States that created the circumstances for their excuse to flee their country, as the US bombed their nations.
I hope every fucking quisling traitor in Europe is hung from lampposts and left to rot.
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clambo
2022 Sep 13, 4:09pm
So far the idiot is Putin.
So, Putin has to use nukes to win. That’s not really winning is it?
So, Putin has to use nukes to win. That’s not really winning is it?
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richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 4:20pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 4:20pm
clambo says
Christ. Stop thinking like a a human being and start thinking like a sociopath, that's how governments think, or has this escaped you for your ENTIRE life?
Winning is no fucking NATO in Ukraine, and stop fucking bombing the Donbass. No fucking goddamned US biological weapons labs, level 5 there, no fucking US anything in Ukraine.
That's what RUSSIA claims is winning. Murdering a million people, that's not even part of the equation.
If a million people freeze to death in Europe this coming winter, they don't give a shit, and for the US, this will increase profit. They don't care either.
So far the idiot is Putin.
So, Putin has to use nukes to win. That’s not really winning is it?
Christ. Stop thinking like a a human being and start thinking like a sociopath, that's how governments think, or has this escaped you for your ENTIRE life?
Winning is no fucking NATO in Ukraine, and stop fucking bombing the Donbass. No fucking goddamned US biological weapons labs, level 5 there, no fucking US anything in Ukraine.
That's what RUSSIA claims is winning. Murdering a million people, that's not even part of the equation.
If a million people freeze to death in Europe this coming winter, they don't give a shit, and for the US, this will increase profit. They don't care either.
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Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 4:23pm
Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 4:23pm
The idiot is Putin, but Europe is suffering rampant inflation and resource calamity, facing a freezing winter and shutdown of its economy? Seems Putin only has to keep the Ukraine war going at low boil to keep Europe and the West fucking themselves. He just keeps going at a leisurely stroll.
You don't have to 'love Putin' to think the Russians are 'winning'. There are many ways to win, not just in terms of territorial expansion.
As long as we continue to let Swiss Octagon, MI6, and Swiss CIA make our decisions, then they will also destroy us down to the last man, not just spend out Ukrainian conscripts.
You don't have to 'love Putin' to think the Russians are 'winning'. There are many ways to win, not just in terms of territorial expansion.
As long as we continue to let Swiss Octagon, MI6, and Swiss CIA make our decisions, then they will also destroy us down to the last man, not just spend out Ukrainian conscripts.
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clambo
2022 Sep 13, 4:39pm
Europe was able to get the USA taxpayers to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to defend it from Russia.
In this sense, they were pretty clever.
However, they were later foolish to believe that the leadership of Russia was going to be a good neighbor and they started buying gas and oil from them.
Now things are fucked all around and it’s Putin who has miscalculated.
In this sense, they were pretty clever.
However, they were later foolish to believe that the leadership of Russia was going to be a good neighbor and they started buying gas and oil from them.
Now things are fucked all around and it’s Putin who has miscalculated.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 4:47pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 4:47pm
clambo says
Unlike Trump, he's learned that you keep your battle victories to yourself until you have won the war, with these Evil Global Cockroaches.
You're far better off letting them project they are winning, when you're trouncing their asses. The minute you explain your victory, they will find a way to criminalize that edge you used and prosecute you retroactively for violating the law. Also in victory laps, folks tend to expose their next move. Which Trump does every hour on the hour, well not as much without Twitter. Which astounds me as to why the Left would want to censor Trump off Twitter. It was his constant plan of action that they used to thwart him on an ongoing basis.
They can't gauge what Putin is doing, or is going to do next, he doesn't put it out there.
If Russia is winning they have a strange way of showing it.
Unlike Trump, he's learned that you keep your battle victories to yourself until you have won the war, with these Evil Global Cockroaches.
You're far better off letting them project they are winning, when you're trouncing their asses. The minute you explain your victory, they will find a way to criminalize that edge you used and prosecute you retroactively for violating the law. Also in victory laps, folks tend to expose their next move. Which Trump does every hour on the hour, well not as much without Twitter. Which astounds me as to why the Left would want to censor Trump off Twitter. It was his constant plan of action that they used to thwart him on an ongoing basis.
They can't gauge what Putin is doing, or is going to do next, he doesn't put it out there.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 4:50pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 13, 4:50pm
Every time Trump announces a Lawsuit, the Justice departments starts the process of getting a Bush, Clinton or Obama judge that owes every Tom Dick and Harry in Washington a favor, to be the Judge in the lawsuit. They have made that decision before Trump's lawyer can get to the courthouse to file to make good on that threat.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 5:00pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 5:00pm
clambo says
Russia WAS a good neighbor. What did Russia ever do to Europe?
Meanwhile, Europe kept encroaching upon Russia as they moved NATO eastward.
None of this shit had to to happen. This entire mess, is the fault of the stupid traitorous European leaders. Russia ITSELF requested to become part of NATO years ago, and what was the response? Europe is run by traitors. If Europe cared about Europeans they would drop their allegiance to the United States and ally themselves with Russia. If they had done this, there would be no conflict in Ukraine, and their people wouldn't be facing starvation and freezing to death in the winter. They also wouldn't be hosting a bunch of rapefugees that the US has created.
Europe is obviously controlled by traitors. The United States as well. There's no need for this conflict, but we have insane cunts running our nations.
However, they were later foolish to believe that the leadership of Russia was going to be a good neighbor and they started buying gas and oil from them.
Russia WAS a good neighbor. What did Russia ever do to Europe?
Meanwhile, Europe kept encroaching upon Russia as they moved NATO eastward.
None of this shit had to to happen. This entire mess, is the fault of the stupid traitorous European leaders. Russia ITSELF requested to become part of NATO years ago, and what was the response? Europe is run by traitors. If Europe cared about Europeans they would drop their allegiance to the United States and ally themselves with Russia. If they had done this, there would be no conflict in Ukraine, and their people wouldn't be facing starvation and freezing to death in the winter. They also wouldn't be hosting a bunch of rapefugees that the US has created.
Europe is obviously controlled by traitors. The United States as well. There's no need for this conflict, but we have insane cunts running our nations.
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Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 5:09pm
Ceffer
2022 Sep 13, 5:09pm
Putin has isolated the so called G7 from the rest of the world, and has let the providers of world commodities know that they can force better currencies based on real stuff rather than the fake monopoly money foisted by the West for all these years. He who holds the resources also hold the real money, not fiat Babylonian debt paper which is a magic act.
He could probably give Ukraine back and still declare a win over the hearts and minds of most of the world, with a radical re-polarization of alliances and international support systems outside of the West.
He could probably give Ukraine back and still declare a win over the hearts and minds of most of the world, with a radical re-polarization of alliances and international support systems outside of the West.
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GNL
2022 Sep 13, 5:33pm
GNL
2022 Sep 13, 5:33pm
Ceffer says
The war, if it is about this, is worth it alone.
He who holds the resources also hold the real money, not fiat Babylonian debt paper which is a magic act.
The war, if it is about this, is worth it alone.
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
2022 Sep 13, 6:34pm
clambo says
they sanctioned russia, retaliation is expected.
Europe was able to get the USA taxpayers to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to defend it from Russia.
In this sense, they were pretty clever.
However, they were later foolish to believe that the leadership of Russia was going to be a good neighbor and they started buying gas and oil from them.
Now things are fucked all around and it’s Putin who has miscalculated.
they sanctioned russia, retaliation is expected.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Sep 13, 7:16pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 Sep 13, 7:16pm
clambo says
Stalin really fucked up Barbarossa but stayed in power.
Many Russian Monarchs have lost horribly in wars and stayed in power, in fact went on to win them.
Putin is losing the war in Ukraine.
Historically, the guy in the Kremlin who loses a war has to go.
Whether this happens soon is anyone's guess.
How it happens is also anyone's guess.
A few more guys will die mysterious premature deaths before Putin does however.
Stalin really fucked up Barbarossa but stayed in power.
Many Russian Monarchs have lost horribly in wars and stayed in power, in fact went on to win them.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 8:02pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 8:02pm
jykiodfgr says
Look, Russia isn't the USSR, it's not run by a bunch of 80 year old ideologues now. The US is.
Russia is going to drag out this fucking war in Ukraine and let Europe suffer for it. They aren't run by idiots, we are run by idiots, Europe is.
How can you not fucking see this?
We have an 80 year old corrupt, obviously corrupt, pedophile asshole as our president. He's fucking out of his mind, he can BARELY read teleprompters, and he makes NO decisions at all and he wasn't elected. Think we're on our way down? I fucking do. I'm not stupid, I'm not living in lala land. The US is more like the USSR of 1980 than Russia is.
Constantly we're told outright, obvious lies, the population is encouraged to engage in jingoism insanity, and we're fucking bankrupt. The reason Trump was elected was a revolt. How soon before we have a REAL revolt?
Russia should just cut off Europe. Fuck 'em. They've tried to play nice for TWO decades. Fuck 'em.
The USSR collapsed on December 26, 1991, it's LONG gone. Yet, the assholes that, presumably, control my nation still treat them as the USSR. That was more than 30 fucking years ago, but my nation is run by a bunch of insane octogenarian assholes. I don't have a problem with that, but I have a problem with people blindly following them. Man up pussies! And I'm serious, stop being led by the nose like cattle with a nosering. Wait, let me simplify it for you, moo-moo-moo-moo. Understand our situation now??
Putin is too moderate. We need his successor to nuke Europe.
Look, Russia isn't the USSR, it's not run by a bunch of 80 year old ideologues now. The US is.
Russia is going to drag out this fucking war in Ukraine and let Europe suffer for it. They aren't run by idiots, we are run by idiots, Europe is.
How can you not fucking see this?
We have an 80 year old corrupt, obviously corrupt, pedophile asshole as our president. He's fucking out of his mind, he can BARELY read teleprompters, and he makes NO decisions at all and he wasn't elected. Think we're on our way down? I fucking do. I'm not stupid, I'm not living in lala land. The US is more like the USSR of 1980 than Russia is.
Constantly we're told outright, obvious lies, the population is encouraged to engage in jingoism insanity, and we're fucking bankrupt. The reason Trump was elected was a revolt. How soon before we have a REAL revolt?
Russia should just cut off Europe. Fuck 'em. They've tried to play nice for TWO decades. Fuck 'em.
The USSR collapsed on December 26, 1991, it's LONG gone. Yet, the assholes that, presumably, control my nation still treat them as the USSR. That was more than 30 fucking years ago, but my nation is run by a bunch of insane octogenarian assholes. I don't have a problem with that, but I have a problem with people blindly following them. Man up pussies! And I'm serious, stop being led by the nose like cattle with a nosering. Wait, let me simplify it for you, moo-moo-moo-moo. Understand our situation now??
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socal2
2022 Sep 13, 10:36pm
Ceffer says
What will Russia “win” long term by using their energy exports as a weapon against Europe? It will only increase the economic power of the US (and Red States) with LNG shipments. There will certainly be pain for Europe in the short term, but I don’t think Russia can play the short game let alone the long game. Who will ever trust Russia again for vital resources after this shit?
Putin needs to swallow his pride and wind this thing down now. There is no conceivable upside for Russia at this point. They lost this thing the first few weeks of the war with their failure to take Kiev and topple the government.
The idiot is Putin, but Europe is suffering rampant inflation and resource calamity, facing a freezing winter and shutdown of its economy? Seems Putin only has to keep the Ukraine war going at low boil to keep Europe and the West fucking themselves. He just keeps going at a leisurely stroll.
You don't have to 'love Putin' to think the Russians are 'winning'. There are many ways to win, not just in terms of territorial expansion.
What will Russia “win” long term by using their energy exports as a weapon against Europe? It will only increase the economic power of the US (and Red States) with LNG shipments. There will certainly be pain for Europe in the short term, but I don’t think Russia can play the short game let alone the long game. Who will ever trust Russia again for vital resources after this shit?
Putin needs to swallow his pride and wind this thing down now. There is no conceivable upside for Russia at this point. They lost this thing the first few weeks of the war with their failure to take Kiev and topple the government.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 11:43pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 13, 11:43pm
socal2 says
They will win complete economic independence.
They will finally achieve what the USSR wanted to achieve, freedom from the rest of the world.
They will have no dependence on the West, nor China, nor India - nobody. This is something the US should have worked for, but we have traitors running our nation, so...
What will Russia “win” long term by using their energy exports as a weapon against Europe? It will only increase the economic power of the US (and Red States) with LNG shipments.
They will win complete economic independence.
They will finally achieve what the USSR wanted to achieve, freedom from the rest of the world.
They will have no dependence on the West, nor China, nor India - nobody. This is something the US should have worked for, but we have traitors running our nation, so...
CNN reports that 18 Russian province leaders have called for Putin to step down. Russian television has moved away from the official propaganda line on Ukraine. People are going on the air and questioning the war. They are not being immediately arrested and threatened with 20-year prison sentences.
Things at the highest level of the Kremlin are opaque. We can only guess what is going on there. How does this play out? I do not see a situation where a large group of Russian police or military personnel come into Putin's office with guns drawn and put handcuffs on him.
Rather let us look at how the reign of President Robert Mugabe came to an end in Zimbabwe. The reports that I have read point to a much simpler way to take someone out of power. One afternoon after lunch, a very brave young man came to Mugabe's office. Please allow me to paraphrase what happened next as follows:
"Mr. President, here is your pardon that protects you from any criminal prosecution. Here is your indemnity against any seizure of your assets anywhere in the world. Oh, by the way, here is your letter of resignation."
Please put yourself in the shoes of this very brave young man. He must have felt like a person on the gallows with the rope around his neck. He was figuratively "Waiting for the trap door to drop." Mugabe could have easily had him arrested and thrown in a vile prison for the rest of his life.
With no fanfare or comment, Mugabe signed the letter of resignation. As they would say in a gangster movie, "He was given an offer that he could not refuse."