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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   13,802 views  297 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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262   WookieMan   2024 Sep 20, 4:15am  

AD says

granted the Burger King on Thomas Drive still charges about $11 for a large Whopper meal and pays $15 an hour starting wage , and they regularly mail $8.99 coupons for a large Whopper meal

This got me triggered. I think this is the first year that I haven't had any fast food at all. I was a road trip fast food person, but I've ate none this year. I know I've said I don't eat it, but it still happens from time to time. But nothing this year. I'm kind of shocked. Might be 2 years now.

I'm mentioning this because those prices are completely retarded. $11 for a a bad burger that I can make in 15 minutes fresh with veggies I grew, which I'm guessing 15 minutes is likely the waiting time now a days. Pre-covid when I did partake it was slow as can be. Fast should be removed.

Sidetracking even more. I can get sit down food, fresher/better in 30 minutes and be done. Have a beer. Fast food from my last experience wasn't fast. I think they might be going the way of the movie theater. Fast food is a shit experience unless in a crunch or poor. A $25 lunch is a nothing burger (pun intended). Life isn't a rush, enjoy the time or you'll regret it. Even if it costs a bit more.
263   stfu   2024 Sep 20, 4:27am  

This site is turning into ZeroHedge. Paying attention to this doom porn is a good way to lose money.
264   WookieMan   2024 Sep 20, 4:41am  

stfu says

This site is turning into ZeroHedge. Paying attention to this doom porn is a good way to lose money.

I think this is Patrick's hobby. Something to do. Not about money at all. I frankly ignore most doom porn topics. Sure I've made comments, but generally am a set and forget guy. I have a rough idea about how much money I have, but I could be 5 figures off if I guessed. Potentially 6.

You can only control what you can control. Which is you. Live life. Have fun. It's okay for people to bitch about life. It's therapy to an extent. I don't even know what ZeroHedge is. I know I'm making money and living my best life. I think most here are. It's just a discussion at the end of the day.

I don't like a lot of websites. I just don't view them. If you have shit content I won't look. Hence why I've never been compelled to visit ZeroHedge. Shitty name anyway.
265   AD   2024 Sep 20, 9:55am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


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The stock market isn't 'the economy'.


The companies like Fed Ex, Disney, Amazon, and Dollar Tree are what make up "the stock market".

When their CEOs say that consumers are dialing back on orders and purchases during their quarterly earnings call, then that is "THE ECONOMY" .

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266   AD   2024 Sep 20, 9:59am  

stfu says

This site is turning into ZeroHedge. Paying attention to this doom porn is a good way to lose money.


Any doom is at least presented with reasoning and data.

We are not Peter Schiff here saying to always keep all your money in gold and silver.

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267   AD   2024 Sep 20, 10:28am  

WookieMan says


I think this is Patrick's hobby. Something to do


I believe Patrick got this page started for the most part because of the housing bubble (~2001 to 2008)

Patrick wrote a great book about the " Housing Trap " explaining the costs and benefits of renting versus buying a home.

He has not monetized this page yet, even after having this much of an audience.

I was thinking what kind of advertisers would be interested such as placing their ad banners on this website.

It could be an eclectic mix of advertisers like homesteader/survival kit suppliers, financial planners and accountants, etc.

"Josie On-The-Go" set up her Facebook page for Bay County a few years back as a eyewitness news source due the local media lacking that capability.

Josie now has some advertisers on her page geared to her audience like Cutting Edge Window Tinting and Panama City Cycles.

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268   AD   2024 Sep 20, 11:52pm  

stfu says


This site is turning into ZeroHedge. Paying attention to this doom porn is a good way to lose money.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bank-deposits-money-market-funds-see-sizable-outflows-stocks-surge

someone is making money with this latest rally
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269   AD   2024 Sep 21, 1:29am  

Ann Arbor, Michigan


270   RWSGFY   2024 Sep 21, 7:37am  

stfu says


This site is turning into ZeroHedge. Paying attention to this doom porn is a good way to lose money.


Yep, the "get out of stonks NOW" thread sure lost money for whoever followed that advice.
272   WookieMan   2024 Sep 22, 4:30am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says





MFT. CA is the state with the most EV's. When you go from 100% MFT to 0% with one car sale, how's that going to work out? It won't. Times that by probably 1M cars not paying MFT.

Last time out there the roads were shit as well. Considering no freeze thaw cycle, they should be much better. IDOT here can eat a bologna sandwich of cock, but our counties and townships do a solid job.

Massive construction right now, but our tollways are extremely good. Yes tolls suck, but they at least do a good job after getting their ass handed to them in the 90's with fraud. So I have no issue paying. Hurts poor people, but just wake up earlier and take the side roads to work.

Beside road taxes, you don't have the production or refining capacity. The Rockies and Sierras kill you guys. I give it 5 years and you will be paying $10/gallon. 2029. Mark this post and call me out. Trump can't fix a state level problem like this one. He's not an EV pusher either as far as I've heard. Seems like he gets along with Musk, but EV's are kind of destroying the infrastructure economy. I/wife benefit massively without getting into details. Keep pumping the EV's. Everyone sold makes me money.
273   AD   2024 Oct 11, 6:21pm  

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/amys-kitchen-to-lay-off-hundreds-of-workers-19832158.php

Amy’s Kitchen, the Petaluma-based manufacturer of organic and frozen foods, will lay off more than 300 employees later this year, according to documents filed with the state.

The move will affect workers at two facilities in Santa Rosa. The plans call for 283 workers to be let go at the company’s Northpoint Parkway location, and another 22 at the Dutton Avenue location.

In an interview with the North Bay Business Journal, Amy’s President Paul Schiefer said the move is part of a wider reorganization — one that is integral to keeping the company viable in a market that has become more competitive since the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition to making grocery staples like soups and frozen pizzas, vegetarian burgers and burritos, the company also operates three vegetarian restaurants in the Bay Area.
274   AD   2024 Oct 11, 6:44pm  



275   AD   2024 Oct 11, 8:10pm  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/convenience-store-7-eleven-closures/

7-Eleven is closing about 444 stores, which is 3% of its North American stores.
276   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Oct 11, 8:12pm  

AD says

7-Eleven is closing about 444 stores, which is 3% of its North American stores.


Bet most are in areas where Demtard police won't do anything about the crime.
277   WookieMan   2024 Oct 11, 10:46pm  

AD says





While I agree I'm guessing it's the stand alone stores in Dem cities as you say. The gas station ones I've been to are just fine. I don't know when the influx of India Indians into the US happened, but maybe they're starting to retire and move back? Not sure most Americans care to put I owned a 7/11 on their resume.

I'm usually a gas station guy because I'm getting gas and half the time I don't go into the store, but I'm more likely to go in versus stopping at a stand alone. That never made sense to me. You are likely near to a full sized grocery store or Walgreens that has more options. 7/11 is just junk food. So of course a lot of them were in crime ridden areas.
278   AD   2024 Oct 14, 10:36pm  

Big Lots and LL Flooring declared bankruptcy, and now True Value has done so

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/business/true-value-bankruptcy/index.html
279   WookieMan   2024 Oct 14, 10:59pm  

Haven't been to any of them. Oh well. Run a business better?
280   AD   2024 Oct 15, 9:49pm  



281   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 15, 10:06pm  

AD says





Every since they replaced the grease with seed oil, they've never been the same.
282   AD   2024 Oct 16, 6:34pm  



283   Blue   2024 Oct 16, 8:17pm  

Closing more than 2 thousand locations across the country will have a serious consequences!
284   AD   2024 Oct 26, 1:20pm  



285   WookieMan   2024 Oct 26, 2:35pm  

AD says





Eh. Those are tiny margin retailers. Walgreens is just getting out of markets where theft is an issue. With the amount of geezer/boomers coming online with their pill calendars they'll do fine. They just don't want to deal with the theft and geezers are moving from those areas. No point in staying put if 10% of your product is just stolen with no consequence and the people with money moved out.
286   AD   2024 Oct 27, 9:41am  

the economy no longer provides enough consumers for Starbucks


287   WookieMan   2024 Oct 27, 9:59am  

AD says

the economy no longer provides enough consumers for Starbucks

Why would you overpay for coffee? My wife used to get Starbucks a lot and she finally listened to me, you can make better coffee at home. Get up 5 minutes earlier and brew some beans you like for 25¢ a cup if that.

I don't do coffee anymore, but when I did I went ape shit. Jamaican Blue Mountain. $60-65 per pound of beans. Still cheaper than Starbucks on average and better coffee.

Smoothest black coffee ever. No sugar or creamer/milk. Fresh grind it that morning. I've cut out 98% of caffeine in my life. I miss it, but makes me too jittery. Everyone thinks I have Parkinson's disease when I drink it. I also have to shit immediately after the first cup which is problematic. When I need to shit it needs to happen.
288   AD   2024 Oct 27, 3:10pm  

WookieMan says

Why would you overpay for coffee? My wife used to get Starbucks a lot and she finally listened to me, you can make better coffee at home. Get up 5 minutes earlier and brew some beans you like for 25¢ a cup if that.


consumer trends and demographic changes

as its harder for Starbucks to continue growing as the replacement generations (born after 1995) are not as interested as younger generations like Gen X in spending the money at a Starbucks

Starbucks is going to have to adapt and adjust , and this may mean a major re-branding or re-defining effort

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289   WookieMan   2024 Oct 27, 7:32pm  

AD says

Starbucks is going to have to adapt and adjust , and this may mean a major re-branding or re-defining effort

Repricing effort. Younger generations saw their parents get smashed in the housing bust. There's not as many consumers anymore. I can buy a bag of better quality coffee for 5 visits to Starbucks. Younger folks are waking up. You can have good/better coffee 7 days a week without leaving the house for 20¢ a cup instead of $5 not including gas.

Dunkin and Starbucks are trash if you've had good coffee. I liken it to wine or whiskey. I don't partake, but people in the know ain't drinking shit.
290   AD   2024 Oct 28, 10:09am  

WookieMan says

Younger folks are waking up.


I agree as far as demographic trends as the "replacement generation" consumers may be more thrifty or value-conscious.

Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I like use a Moka coffee pot to make as close-to-expresso as possible such as using Bustelo coffee. May mix a little hazelnut flavor coffee grounds in the express coffee grounds. One of the most sustainable ways of making coffee.

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291   WookieMan   2024 Oct 28, 10:19am  

AD says

Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I legit just don't buy anything anymore. I can go two weeks without buying a thing. $0. I've stopped spending on myself. Wife buys for the kids, but I personally don't buy much if anything anymore. $100-200/mo? Mostly beer. Maybe a gas station snack. I'm a cheap date.
292   GNL   2024 Oct 28, 1:36pm  

WookieMan says

AD says


Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I legit just don't buy anything anymore. I can go two weeks without buying a thing. $0. I've stopped spending on myself. Wife buys for the kids, but I personally don't buy much if anything anymore. $100-200/mo? Mostly beer. Maybe a gas station snack. I'm a cheap date.

The older I get, the more I realize I don't need nor want all of this shit I got.
293   WookieMan   2024 Oct 28, 8:08pm  

GNL says

The older I get, the more I realize I don't need nor want all of this shit I got.

We're gonna be moving late spring 2025. Besides furniture and cooking gear, I want to get rid of 80% of the shit we have over the next 6 months. If my house, being bigger, seems empty I give zero shits.

The wife buys too much knick knack shit and we have bins of it. I'm designing the garage and basement storage. All the shit is going. She doesn't know it yet. No problem keeping stuff the kids made, but fuck halloween, thanksgiving, easter or xmas. I don't need bins of that shit around. We have 10 fucking roller suitcases in our furnace room currently. 5 carry on backpacks.

And not bitching at the wife. I'm going to empty out 60-70% of my closet. She should do the same. She just pulled out 6 bins of Halloween shit. She's dumping 3. We're hiring movers to go 4 blocks, so the cheaper we can make it the better.
294   GNL   2024 Oct 29, 5:06am  

Back when I was still taking photos, I encountered many people who were moving from their McMansions and couldn't wait till they were moved into their condo. Not that I like condos but, I've been in some pretty nice ones. These buildings have more amenities and conveniences than living in a nice subdivision. My inlaws lived here...https://www.watergateatlandmark.com/about-wal.html
until they retired to a golf course community in SC. That condo had more amenities than any other community I can remember. Indoor and outdoor pools, indoor and outdoor tennis courts, putting green, volleyball, basketball, carwash, racket club, bowling alley, barber and beauty shops, billiard hall, movie theater, gated etc. etc.
296   AD   2024 Oct 29, 10:26pm  

The Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis website shows the Employment-Population Ratio at 60.2%.

It was 61.1% in February 2020, and its all time high is 64.7% in April 2000.

Its lowest since April 2000 was at 58.3% in January 2011.

And now that hiring has slowed down with the lowest job openings since 2021, I don't expect the Employment-Population Ratio to return to 61% by February 2025.
297   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 31, 5:53pm  

Housing prices are CRATERING!


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