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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   21,902 views  424 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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290   AD   2024 Oct 28, 10:09am  

WookieMan says

Younger folks are waking up.


I agree as far as demographic trends as the "replacement generation" consumers may be more thrifty or value-conscious.

Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I like use a Moka coffee pot to make as close-to-expresso as possible such as using Bustelo coffee. May mix a little hazelnut flavor coffee grounds in the express coffee grounds. One of the most sustainable ways of making coffee.

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291   WookieMan   2024 Oct 28, 10:19am  

AD says

Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I legit just don't buy anything anymore. I can go two weeks without buying a thing. $0. I've stopped spending on myself. Wife buys for the kids, but I personally don't buy much if anything anymore. $100-200/mo? Mostly beer. Maybe a gas station snack. I'm a cheap date.
292   GNL   2024 Oct 28, 1:36pm  

WookieMan says

AD says


Look at the Amazon-effect as far as value shopping, whereas someone will go to a bricks-and-mortar store and compare the prices to Amazon.

I legit just don't buy anything anymore. I can go two weeks without buying a thing. $0. I've stopped spending on myself. Wife buys for the kids, but I personally don't buy much if anything anymore. $100-200/mo? Mostly beer. Maybe a gas station snack. I'm a cheap date.

The older I get, the more I realize I don't need nor want all of this shit I got.
293   WookieMan   2024 Oct 28, 8:08pm  

GNL says

The older I get, the more I realize I don't need nor want all of this shit I got.

We're gonna be moving late spring 2025. Besides furniture and cooking gear, I want to get rid of 80% of the shit we have over the next 6 months. If my house, being bigger, seems empty I give zero shits.

The wife buys too much knick knack shit and we have bins of it. I'm designing the garage and basement storage. All the shit is going. She doesn't know it yet. No problem keeping stuff the kids made, but fuck halloween, thanksgiving, easter or xmas. I don't need bins of that shit around. We have 10 fucking roller suitcases in our furnace room currently. 5 carry on backpacks.

And not bitching at the wife. I'm going to empty out 60-70% of my closet. She should do the same. She just pulled out 6 bins of Halloween shit. She's dumping 3. We're hiring movers to go 4 blocks, so the cheaper we can make it the better.
294   GNL   2024 Oct 29, 5:06am  

Back when I was still taking photos, I encountered many people who were moving from their McMansions and couldn't wait till they were moved into their condo. Not that I like condos but, I've been in some pretty nice ones. These buildings have more amenities and conveniences than living in a nice subdivision. My inlaws lived here...https://www.watergateatlandmark.com/about-wal.html
until they retired to a golf course community in SC. That condo had more amenities than any other community I can remember. Indoor and outdoor pools, indoor and outdoor tennis courts, putting green, volleyball, basketball, carwash, racket club, bowling alley, barber and beauty shops, billiard hall, movie theater, gated etc. etc.
296   AD   2024 Oct 29, 10:26pm  

The Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis website shows the Employment-Population Ratio at 60.2%.

It was 61.1% in February 2020, and its all time high is 64.7% in April 2000.

Its lowest since April 2000 was at 58.3% in January 2011.

And now that hiring has slowed down with the lowest job openings since 2021, I don't expect the Employment-Population Ratio to return to 61% by February 2025.
297   RWSGFY   2024 Oct 31, 5:53pm  

Housing prices are CRATERING!


298   AD   2024 Nov 18, 4:16pm  



299   AD   2024 Nov 19, 9:19pm  

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The Wolfman at Wolf Street website has another great post today showing credit card delinquency around 3.25%.

It was no more than 2.5% from 2013 to 2020, and bottomed recently to 1.5% in 2022.

From 2000 to present day, its highest level was around 6.5% in 2010.

This is just one economic indicator to show the economy is not as great as the Democrats and the mainstream media claimed it is (and especially was right before the election).

Trump is inheriting a major mess from Biden, not only with the economy but foreign policy and the border.

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300   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 20, 9:57am  

Colud be reaction to Trump's promises to cap CC rates at 10%.
301   AD   2024 Nov 20, 7:04pm  

New York CNN —

Target is expecting a surprisingly weak holiday shopping season, a potential warning sign for the retail industry.

The company forecast Wednesday that sales during the final quarter of the year will be flat, and Target lowered its profit forecast. Target also reported a sluggish sales increase of just 0.3% during its latest quarter.

Shares of Target (TGT) plunged 22% Wednesday. It was Target’s worst trading day in more than two years.
302   WookieMan   2024 Nov 21, 7:43am  

AD says

Target is expecting a surprisingly weak holiday shopping season, a potential warning sign for the retail industry.

I disagree. I think it just shows that big box is going down due to online sales. Products will still sell, just not in person. I've never bought online from Target. I go straight to the source. If it's a one time purchase I can get 10-20% off giving them a burner email account on my purchase to say Columbia for a jacket.

I'm rural of course so I'm blowing an hour round trip to even get to a target physically. So yeah, they aren't getting sales from me. Going straight to the product maker online will save you more. I'll search Amazon and find the company and buy it on the company site 10-20% cheaper, maybe more.

Commercial RE is going to take a beating. Unless it's groceries or a shop on vacation I don't step foot in a retail store. Home Depot, but that's not retail and honestly has been about 3 years since I stepped foot in one. If I need lumber it's HD, but I'm more of an Ace Hardware guy. Retail is for women. I think younger women are doing online and not dealing with the hassle.

Fact is they need to update their online game. With how returns are handled now, I don't need to see something in person. So Target being the pinkies up of Walmart is going to take a hit.
303   AD   2025 Feb 11, 7:18pm  

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tourism economy looking good for Florida panhandle
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304   AD   2025 Feb 23, 2:15pm  

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some news pointing to Biden economic downturn or recession

notice FHA and VA mortgage delinquencies slightly greater than in February 2020 (pre COVID)

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305   AD   2025 Feb 26, 12:42pm  

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Left wing economists trying to blame Trump for Biden recession

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/25/economists-starting-worry-serious-trump-recession/

"The US economy has been displaying late-cycle fatigue for some time, which is no doubt why Warren Buffett more than doubled his holding of cash and treasury bills to $334bn last year. We can only guess at his real reasons for battening down the hatches: perhaps he fears the delayed effects of past Fed tightening; or perhaps he dislikes anarchy."
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306   ElYorsh   2025 Feb 26, 12:51pm  

The Biden Administration manipulated the economic indexes to boost their numbers and the media kept pumping up the economy. That created the impression that everything was great. No official recession.

Now the media is all doom and gloom about the economy to create the sentiment. Recession is here. That is why the Dems and the media are coordinating with the message that the Trump Administration will burn by the end of next month.

The difference this time is that the Deep State is running this recession as the minority. Let's see how this plays out.
307   AD   2025 Feb 26, 1:58pm  



308   AD   2025 Feb 27, 4:59pm  

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Refinery in Houston is undergoing major layoffs

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309   AD   2025 Feb 27, 11:49pm  

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https://www.globest.com/2024/03/01/freddie-mac-sees-jump-in-serious-multifamily-delinquencies/

based on above article link, the multifamily mortgage serious delinquency rate was 0.44% in January 2024, and its at its highest since 2013

serious delinquency rates from January 2013 through January 2024:
2013, 0.18%;
2014, 0.05%;
2015, 0.03%;
2016, 0.04%;
2017, 0.03%;
2018, 0.02%;
2019, 0.01%;
2020, 0.08%;
2021, 0.16%;
2022, 0.07%;
2023, 0.12%;
and 2024, 0.44%.
310   WookieMan   2025 Feb 28, 9:33am  

AD says

based on above article link, the multifamily mortgage serious delinquency rate was 0.44% in January 2024, and its at its highest since 2013

Banks learned from the crash. Forbearance. You give someone two months and tack it on the back end of the loan. Much, much cheaper overall for everybody. No one here knows the cost of foreclosure. Not being a dick but I know what it is.

I witnessed banks with 3-5 years of performing mortgages and would get screwed on the sale prices because they were idiots. $20k loss turned into $100k or more. Also never have a Realtor manage a foreclosure. All they want is the sale. They don't care about the price. We had plenty of REO properties, so I'm not talking out my ass.
311   RWSGFY   2025 Mar 3, 4:48pm  

Markets ate more shit today.
312   HeadSet   2025 Mar 3, 5:00pm  

RWSGFY says

Markets ate more shit today.

Yep, I am down around $20k since this morning. I wonder what Buffet knew that caused him to go deep into cash.
313   AD   2025 Mar 3, 6:00pm  

HeadSet says


Yep, I am down around $20k since this morning. I wonder what Buffet knew that caused him to go deep into cash.


A 1.5% drop causing $20K drop since morning equates to a $1.33 million portfolio

Buffett saw the S&P 500 hit a cycle's ceiling with it moving sideways for the last 5 months and nearly the second highest Shiller PE ratio of 38 (with highest of 45 set in Nov 1999).

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314   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 3, 6:41pm  

HeadSet says


RWSGFY says


Markets ate more shit today.

Yep, I am down around $20k since this morning. I wonder what Buffet knew that caused him to go deep into cash.



He probably predicted that instead of rolling tariffs and tax cuts simultaneously, or, better yet, first tax cuts and only then tariffs, they will be rolled out in a wrong order, kinda like first abandoning the well-protected Bagram airbase and then trying to fly away from Kabul airport, surrounded by residential buildings full of hostiles, as discussed in the famous "Afghan chaos undercuts Biden's promise of competence" thread.
315   HeadSet   2025 Mar 3, 7:04pm  

AD says

A 1.5% drop causing $20K drop since morning equates to a $1.33 million portfolio

I am impressed. It is about $1.5 million collected over decades.

AD says

Buffett saw the S&P 500 hit a cycle's ceiling with it moving sideways for the last 5 months and nearly the second highest Shiller PE ratio of 38 (with highest of 45 set in Nov 1999).

Did you also see this coming?
316   WookieMan   2025 Mar 3, 8:10pm  

AD says

Buffett saw the S&P 500 hit a cycle's ceiling with it moving sideways for the last 5 months and nearly the second highest Shiller PE ratio of 38 (with highest of 45 set in Nov 1999).

He's also about to die. Not sure I'd follow his trading patterns at his age. He's probably still sharp, but he might just be protecting assets for his family. He's old enough to have great great grandkids.

This is all probably temporary either way. MIC is probably freaked that Trump will cut them off after the Ukraine meeting. You got a ton of people getting laid off or fired. I'm for it, but there will be a bump in the road.
317   ElYorsh   2025 Mar 3, 8:21pm  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says


Markets ate more shit today.

Yep, I am down around $20k since this morning. I wonder what Buffet knew that caused him to go deep into cash.

He's been moving into cash for more than a year now. I think he saw how the Biden Administration was manipulating reports to prop up the economy and was positioning himself to have cash on hand for a crash. The last few weeks I'm sure he also saw other signs because of his experience.
318   AD   2025 Mar 3, 9:19pm  

HeadSet says

Did you also see this coming?


I knew there was more downside versus upside for the stock market within the current cycle.

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319   gabbar   2025 Mar 4, 4:38am  

WookieMan says

I witnessed banks with 3-5 years of performing mortgages and would get screwed on the sale prices because they were idiots. $20k loss turned into $100k or more. Also never have a Realtor manage a foreclosure. All they want is the sale. They don't care about the price. We had plenty of REO properties, so I'm not talking out my ass.

Have you ever considered being a real estate consultant? That is, being a advisor to home buyers (residential, commercial....negotiations, contracts etc.)?
320   gabbar   2025 Mar 4, 4:41am  

ElYorsh says

That is why the Dems and the media are coordinating with the message that the Trump Administration will burn by the end of next month.

Suddenly, the mood/vibe as changed...let's see how it plays out in rest of 2025
323   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 6, 10:46am  

All stonks are crashing hard today.
324   stereotomy   2025 Mar 6, 10:51am  

But still the lazy metal maintains.
325   AD   2025 Mar 6, 11:36am  

AMZN down about 18% from its all time high, and GOOGL down 17% from its recent all time high.

S&P 500 is only down 7% from its all time high, its moved sideways for the most part over last 8 months.
326   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 6, 12:14pm  

AD says

AMZN down about 18% from its all time high, and GOOGL down 17% from its recent all time high.

S&P 500 is only down 7% from its all time high, its moved sideways for the most part over last 8 months.


Tesla is almost half off the ATH. It's time for shareholder revolt.
327   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 6, 12:41pm  

US-based employers last month announced plans to slash 172,017 jobs, a 103% increase from a year ago and the highest February total since 2009, according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas’s latest monthly job cuts report released Thursday.

It’s the 12th highest monthly total in the 32 years Challenger has been tracking job cuts. The 11 others (four came during the Covid-19 pandemic) all occurred when the US was in a recession, Challenger data shows.
328   AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper   2025 Mar 6, 1:07pm  

The only solution:

329   AD   2025 Mar 8, 9:30am  

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He's a lot right about this. I remember growing up as a kid in the 70's how there was a lot of made in USA products at the store, and they were a little pricey but not expensive.

Even in the early 1990s I remember how Walmart would have countless "made in USA" signs next to its merchandise and it was still affordable to shop there, but not cheap.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/07/scott-bessent-trump-tariffs-american-dream-goods-prices/81943904007/?tbref=hp

Treasury secretary defends tariffs, says cheap goods not 'essence of the American Dream'

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