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Lincoln thoght blacks were incompatible with whites and they should be returned to Africa.

Lincoln was a tyrant. He ended Federalism and ushered in Statism and Empire.

Ask yourself why the Lincoln monument depicts him sitting with his arms on a stack of facses? I'll let you figure that one out.

I find the Lincoln question to be of great utility as an alternative test for NPC detection.

steverbeaver says

I find the Lincoln question to be of great utility as an alternative test for NPC detection.

Most people simply don't have the information, that doesn't make then NPCs.

I didn't know anything about what a terrible pile of garbage Lincoln was, or even suspect, until 20 years ago and even back then, I was only scratching the surface. I would say I wasn't really aware he really was a tyrant that really did deserve to be executed until about 5 years ago. I was just ignorant about it, and it wasn't my fault, I just didn't think to look and nobody ever challenged me on my programming.

That anarchist video is full of distortions... crazy stuff.
I like Abraham Lincoln. He was a highly intelligent man who could captivate his audience with his anti-slavery, anti-war messages as well as freedom for everyone on Earth.
As a matter of fact there is a lost speech where Lincoln so mesmerized his audience the reporters forgot to take notes.
Abraham Lincoln was a really great guy.
AbrahamLincoln.life

MasterJack says

That anarchist video is full of distortions... crazy stuff.

You'll need to point them out in order for me to change my mind about Lincoln. You're saying there's "crazy stuff", point out those, or I cannot reevaluate my opinion.

MasterJack says

I like Abraham Lincoln. He was a highly intelligent man who could captivate his audience with his anti-slavery, anti-war messages as well as freedom for everyone on Earth.

Lincoln in his inaugural address said he would support the Crittenden Compromise which would have been the 13th amendment which would have permanently made slavery legal constitutionally, provided the South would not succeed. The SOUTH rejected this, because the civil war wasn't over slavery, it was over taxation.

MasterJack says

As a matter of fact there is a lost speech where Lincoln so mesmerized his audience the reporters forgot to take notes.

I doubt it. He was a famous bullshitter though, but I doubt the account. Honest Abe is as much fiction as Superman is. Even in those times, speeches were written down and read. Teleprompters just made it more obvious.

Dholliday126 says

Lincoln was a tyrant. He ended Federalism and ushered in Statism and Empire.

Ask yourself why the Lincoln monument depicts him sitting with his arms on a stack of facses? I'll let you figure that one out.

Lincoln wasn't a tyrant. Read AbrahamLincoln.life
William Howard Taft - Skull & Bones class of 1878 dedicated the Lincoln Memorial in 1922 just 9 years after the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 shortly after WWI and called Lincoln a "RULER"
You have been so misled ... it is crazy that people don't read his speeches for themselves but only know what others said he said. You can believe whatever lie you want to believe. I like the guy. I like freedom and that is what Abraham Lincoln was all about. He defended your freedom against the slave owning confederacy. Of course if you like being a slave... then you would love the Southern Confederacy.

MasterJack says

Lincoln wasn't a tyrant. Read AbrahamLincoln.life

He placed editors of newspapers that opposed him in jail. He was a tyrant.

MasterJack says

William Howard Taft - Skull & Bones class of 1878

Seriously? Skull and Bones? They are a criminal syndicate. Secret Societies are secret, because they are criminal organizations, without exception.

Lincoln was a scammer. When he was running for political office, he'd set up a rag newspaper to print outrageous lies about his political opponent and influence the election (sound familiar?). After the election, the paper would fold. He was a shameless yellow journalist and propagandist - nothing was off-limits to further his political aims.

Geze, you Lincoln hagiographers have this tool called the intarwebs to verify or disprove everything that @richwicks has said. What I mentioned above was gleaned from IIRC an old issue of American Heritage (before Forbes bought it).

Want to draw back the curtain? Spend a little time reading, among other things, the Unz Review (https://www.unz.com/). This guy has been scanning and archiving media articles encompassing the past 100+ years - these are original sources.

Something, something . . . a horse to water . . .

richwicks says

MasterJack says

That anarchist video is full of distortions... crazy stuff.

You'll need to point them out in order for me to change my mind about Lincoln. You're saying there's "crazy stuff", point out those, or I cannot reevaluate my opinion.

MasterJack says

I like Abraham Lincoln. He was a highly intelligent man who could captivate his audience with his anti-slavery, anti-war messages as well as freedom for everyone on Earth.

Lincoln in his inaugural address said he would support the Crittenden Compromise which would have been the 13th amendment which would have permanently made slavery legal constitutionally, provided the South would not succeed. The SOUTH rejected this, because the civil war wasn't over slavery, it was over taxation.

richwicks says

MasterJack says

Lincoln wasn't a tyrant. Read AbrahamLincoln.life

He placed editors of newspapers that opposed him in jail. He was a tyrant.

MasterJack says

William Howard Taft - Skull & Bones class of 1878

Seriously? Skull and Bones? They are a criminal syndicate. Secret Societies are secret, because they are criminal organizations, without exception.

Skull & Bones is not secret anymore. Alphonzo Taft founded Skull & Bones in 1832 along with William Huntington Russell of China's optimum war fame. John Kerry is Skull and Bones class of 1966 and George Bush Skull & Bones class of 1968, G.H.W Bush class of 1948, Prescott Bush who funded Hitler is Skull & Bones class of 1917. The Harrimans, Browns, John Kerry & King Charles III - Terra Carta
https://sovren.media/p/236418/5dc69d403d957c13a849d4ba73cec0d7
Lincoln was not a tyrant and I have studied him for 50 years. All he ever wanted was for all people to live a free life. Jefferson Davis was the warmongering slave owning tyrant.

stereotomy says

Lincoln was a scammer. When he was running for political office, he'd set up a rag newspaper to print outrageous lies about his political opponent and influence the election (sound familiar?). After the election, the paper would fold. He was a shameless yellow journalist and propagandist - nothing was off-limits to further his political aims.

Geze, you Lincoln hagiographers have this tool called the intarwebs to verify or disprove everything that richwicks has said. What I mentioned above was gleaned from IIRC an old issue of American Heritage (before Forbes bought it).

Want to draw back the curtain? Spend a little time reading, among other things, the Unz Review (https://www.unz.com/). This guy has been scanning and archiving media articles encompassing the past 100+ years - these are original sources.

Something, something . . . a horse to water . . .

No. Lincoln was not a scammer. He was a one term congressman before he was elected President. He never told a lie. If you know of a lie he ever told you will be the first. No one has ever proven a lie he ever told.

MasterJack says

richwicks says

MasterJack says

That anarchist video is full of distortions... crazy stuff.

You'll need to point them out in order for me to change my mind about Lincoln. You're saying there's "crazy stuff", point out those, or I cannot reevaluate my opinion.

MasterJack says

I like Abraham Lincoln. He was a highly intelligent man who could captivate his audience with his anti-slavery, anti-war messages as well as freedom for everyone on Earth.

Lincoln in his inaugural address said he would support the Crittenden Compromise which would have been the 13th amendment which would have permanently made slavery legal constitutionally, provided the South would not succeed. The SOUTH rejected ...

Let's take your claims about Lincoln being a tyrant one issue at a time.
The Corwin Amendment that Lincoln offered to the Southern Confederates would have permanently established the ability of States to determine their own domestic institutions. Utah would have been able to keep their multiple wives... the slave states would have been able to keep their slaves. So what? People are slaves today to the IRS.

MasterJack says

stereotomy says

Lincoln was a scammer. When he was running for political office, he'd set up a rag newspaper to print outrageous lies about his political opponent and influence the election (sound familiar?). After the election, the paper would fold. He was a shameless yellow journalist and propagandist - nothing was off-limits to further his political aims.

Geze, you Lincoln hagiographers have this tool called the intarwebs to verify or disprove everything that richwicks has said. What I mentioned above was gleaned from IIRC an old issue of American Heritage (before Forbes bought it).

Want to draw back the curtain? Spend a little time reading, among other things, the Unz Review (https://www.unz.com/). This guy has been scanning and archiving media articles encompassing the past 100+ years - these are original sources.

Something, something . . . a horse to water . . .

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones
https://sovren.media/p/236408/4f45d47665dba8e49d39881b2d29a7ce

MasterJack says

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones
https://sovren.media/p/236408/4f45d47665dba8e49d39881b2d29a7ce

Thanks @MasterJack
This is quite interesting.

MasterJack says

Lincoln was not a tyrant and I have studied him for 50 years. All he ever wanted was for all people to live a free life.

Realize we can all be propagandized.

What was the aim of the civil war? Do you think the North fought against the South to free a bunch of "niggers"? EVERYBODY was a racist back then, including Lincoln. Why did Lincoln offer to make slavery permanent provided the South didn't withdraw? Why were there border states that had slavery? Why wasn't the end of slavery declared BEFORE the war if that was the purpose of the war?

The war was over taxation from a predatory banking system.

The reason that so many things "don't make sense", is you're being fed a bunch of propaganda. History is SUPER complicated, when you're taking lies as truth. Everything is simple, it's about power and control. History is actually pretty easy to understand, if you just can face the fact it's just a bunch of psychopaths and they have no moral drives at all. That's the propaganda.

Patrick says

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Trust_Association

The Russell Trust Association is the business name for the New Haven, Connecticut-based Skull and Bones society, incorporated in 1856.[1]

The Russell Trust was incorporated by William Huntington Russell as its president, and Daniel Coit Gilman as its first treasurer. Gilman later went on to become president of the University of California, Berkeley and Johns Hopkins University before leaving to become the first president of the Carnegie Foundation. Gilman also served as one of the first board members of the Russell Sage Foundation.

In 1943, by special act of the Connecticut state legislature, its trustees were granted an exemption from filing corporate reports with the Secretary of State, which is normally a requirement.

That's odd.

richwicks says

MasterJack says

Lincoln was not a tyrant and I have studied him for 50 years. All he ever wanted was for all people to live a free life.

Realize we can all be propagandized.

What was the aim of the civil war? Do you think the North fought against the South to free a bunch of "niggers"? EVERYBODY was a racist back then, including Lincoln. Why did Lincoln offer to make slavery permanent provided the South didn't withdraw? Why were there border states that had slavery? Why wasn't the end of slavery declared BEFORE the war if that was the purpose of the war?

The war was over taxation from a predatory banking system.

The reason that so many things "don't make sense", is you're being fed a bunch of propaganda. History is SUPER complicated, when you're taking lies as truth. Everything is simple, it's about power and control. History is actually pretty easy to u...

I am not easily fooled anymore. The aim of the American Ciivil War was primarily the British Monarchy and the London Bankers taking over America. The National Banking Acts of 1863 were written by the Rothschilds.

Senator John Sherman sold America out to the bankers.
London, June 25, 1863
Messrs. Ikleheimer, Morton and Vandergould
No. 3, Wall St.,
New York, U.S.A.

Dear Sirs:
A Mr. John Sherman has written us from a town in Ohio, U.S.A., as to the profit that may be made in the National Banking business, under a recent act of your Congress; a copy of this act accompanies this letter.

Apparently this act has been drawn up on the plan formulated here by the British Bankers Association, and by that Association recommended to our American friends, as one that if enacted into law, would prove highly profitable to the banking fraternity throughout the world.

Mr. Sherman declares that there has never been such an opportunity for capitalists to accumulate money as that presented by this act. It gives the National Bank almost complete control of the National finance.

“The few who understand the system,” he says, “will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that Capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without compliant, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests… “
Your respectful servants,
Rothschild Brothers

Patrick says

Patrick says

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Trust_Association

The Russell Trust Association is the business name for the New Haven, Connecticut-based Skull and Bones society, incorporated in 1856.[1]

The Russell Trust was incorporated by William Huntington Russell as its president, and Daniel Coit Gilman as its first treasurer. Gilman later went on to become president of the University of California, Berkeley and Johns Hopkins University before leaving to become the first president of the Carnegie Foundation. Gilman also served as one of the first board members of the Russell Sage Foundation.

In 1943, by special act of the Connecticut state legislature, its trustees were granted an exemption...

Patrick says

Patrick says

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Trust_Association

The Russell Trust Association is the business name for the New Haven, Connecticut-based Skull and Bones society, incorporated in 1856.[1]

The Russell Trust was incorporated by William Huntington Russell as its president, and Daniel Coit Gilman as its first treasurer. Gilman later went on to become president of the University of California, Berkeley and Johns Hopkins University before leaving to become the first president of the Carnegie Foundation. Gilman also served as one of the first board members of the Russell Sage Foundation.

In 1943, by special act of the Connecticut state legislature, its trustees were granted an exemption...

What do you make of that?

MasterJack says

Why did Lincoln offer to make slavery permanent provided the South didn't withdraw? Why were there border states that had slavery? Why wasn't the end of slavery declared BEFORE the war if that was the purpose of the war?

Lincoln was not a tyrant or dictator. He was duty bound to obey his oath which required him to defend Washington against invasion. When Jefferson Davis reduced Fort Sumter, Davis believed that Lincoln was powerless to call the militia to defend America because only Congress was given that power and they were not in session at the time.
Lincoln knew he had the authority to call the militia to defend Washington under the Militia Act of 1792.
The Southern Confederacy could not accept the Corwin Amendment because it limited slavery to State's rights not National rights. The Confederate Constitution ratified March 11, 1861 had determined to expand into Mexico, Central America, Cuba and the Caribbean Islands and the Western territories. Knights of the Golden Circle.

No study of Lincoln would be complete without reading one of Thomas DiLorenzo's books on the subject. His hatred of the man is a good balance to the 99% positive coverage in print.

Lincoln was clearly of high intellect but, IMO, a bit of a sociopath and a benefactor to the railroads and banks. It is very hard to catch him in a lie because he was so good at parsing words. Probably one of the most clever orators to ever take the stage in this country (Franklin may have been in the same league).

He absolutely did things that dictators do (ex. closing hundreds of newspapers and suspending habeas corpus for his enemies), but that didn't make him a dictator. He said he would have done anything - ANY.THING. - to preserve the union and he used slavery as a tool but held no moral high ground on the subject. Typical of sociopaths he felt his ends justified any means. At the same time I do not think he held aspirations of a lifetime presidency. For all of his flaws I do believe he was too self aware/ introspective to be a despot.

MasterJack says

Dear Sirs:
A Mr. John Sherman has written us from a town in Ohio, U.S.A., as to the profit that may be made in the National Banking business, under a recent act of your Congress; a copy of this act accompanies this letter.

Apparently this act has been drawn up on the plan formulated here by the British Bankers Association, and by that Association recommended to our American friends, as one that if enacted into law, would prove highly profitable to the banking fraternity throughout the world.

Mr. Sherman declares that there has never been such an opportunity for capitalists to accumulate money as that presented by this act. It gives the National Bank almost complete control of the National finance.

“The few who understand the system,” he says, “will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that ...

I see we got some Discovery Channel Historians today.

I would like to point out to the Anti Central Banking comment above, that before the creation of the Fed, and the expansion of our Banking institutions. If you were poor, your chances of ever getting out of poverty was Zero zilch nada! Your only hope was to go West and strike Gold. And even then, if you were poor nobody that didn't have a powerful family name. When you finally struck gold, or after you collected enough gold dust to worth getting killed for. That's what happened very often, you were just killed buried and forgotten. Or at least swindled or robbed and sent back East more broke and destitute than when you came.

We can argue that all of the National Banking systems have outlived their purpose and needs to be reimagined or done away with outright. But at the time, that was the best move. Had America not established those Banking systems, America would be Low Class/ High Class system that is in every Poor Latin country, the India Caste system, and other upward mobility futile places in the world.. I know we have poor and rich now, but if you do run into opportunity in this country. You wont be shut out because you come from poor stock.
America would have real serfdom and everyone would be working for Company script, if not for the Central Banking system. It's not perfect and needs to be fixed.
But what gets me when smart finance money people talk about abolishing the Fed, and the Central Banking system. They don't have a better plan, or policy or a manifesto describing what would replace it. They just want to burn it down, and let the cards fall where they may.
Why do we have to abolish every brilliant thing that made this country great, after the Scumbag Rinos and Commies fuck it up beyond recognition? Why can't we restore damaged institutions, and hang the bastards that fucked it up? Why so quick to hand the reigns over to the very Scumbags that created the situation?

stfu says

No study of Lincoln would be complete without reading one of Thomas DiLorenzo's books on the subject. His hatred of the man is a good balance to the 99% positive coverage in print.

Lincoln was clearly of high intellect but, IMO, a bit of a sociopath and a benefactor to the railroads and banks. It is very hard to catch him in a lie because he was so good at parsing words. Probably one of the most clever orators to ever take the stage in this country (Franklin may have been in the same league).

He absolutely did things that dictators do (ex. closing hundreds of newspapers and suspending habeas corpus for his enemies), but that didn't make him a dictator. He said he would have done anything - ANY.THING. - to preserve the union and he used slavery as a tool but held no moral high ground on the subject. Typical of sociopaths he felt his ends justified any means. At the same time I do not think he held aspirations of a lifetime presidency. For all of his flaws ...

AbrahamLincoln.life

Thomas DiLorenzo conveniently forgot to tell his readers that the Confederate Constitution nationalized slavery permanently with no where to ever go to get free. Article IV.

Confederate Constitution ratified March 11, 1861
ARTICLE IV
- Perpetual Slavery:
Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
- No where to hide from the slave masters:
(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.
- Expansion of Slavery:
Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.
- Empire of Slaves:
(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

The destruction of the united States was the mission of the Confederate States of America.

March 21, 1861
“The process of disintegration in the old Union may be expected to go on with almost absolute certainty if we pursue the right course. We are now the nucleus of a growing power which, if we are true to ourselves, our destiny, and high mission, will become the controlling power on this continent.“ - Alexander H. Stephens Confederate V.P.

Tenpoundbass says

MasterJack says

Dear Sirs:
A Mr. John Sherman has written us from a town in Ohio, U.S.A., as to the profit that may be made in the National Banking business, under a recent act of your Congress; a copy of this act accompanies this letter.

Apparently this act has been drawn up on the plan formulated here by the British Bankers Association, and by that Association recommended to our American friends, as one that if enacted into law, would prove highly profitable to the banking fraternity throughout the world.

Mr. Sherman declares that there has never been such an opportunity for capitalists to accumulate money as that presented by this act. It gives the National Bank almost complete control of the National finance.

“The few who understand the system,” he says, “will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from ...

My source of information is from Antony C. Sutton
"The Federal Reserve Conspiracy"
"Energy - The Created Crisis"
"The War on Gold"
"America's Secret Establishment" - Skull & Bones

When Andrew Jackson "Killed the Banks" what he killed was the Second National Bank ... America's National Bank which then gave private banking free run to destroy the "American System" AmericanSystemNow.com. Lincoln tried to revive the America's National Bank, and the "American System" but was usurped by London Bankers and the British Monarchy during America's Civil War ... then they killed him.