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Patrick says

Merely a lack of technology on the part of the Indians. If they could have utterly exterminated enemy tribes, they would have.

Could and did. Powhattan exterminated an entire tribe that had angered him.

Patrick says

I'm still a bit creeped out by learning more about the human sacrifice. They would cut you open, and then the priest would literally reach in and rip your heart out.

I imagine a Catholic priest talking to an Aztec something like this in 1520 or so:

priest: God sacrificed his only son to save you.
Aztec: Sure, Gods do that and this is why we have to sacrifice people, to return the favor. Was his heart ripped out?
priest: No, they nailed him to a cross.
Aztec: Creative! So you nail people to crosses?
priest: No, it was just a one-time thing.
Aztec: Boring!

@Patrick - if you're a fan of Orson Scott Card, you should check out "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Chrisopher Columbus." It's a great alternate/alternate/alternate history novel (this will make more sense if you read it). OSC wrote Ender's Game as well as a lot of well-received SF novels. The Ender's Game movie sucked - don't judge the book by the movie.

Christopher Columbus was a badass and great hero. I'm glad he got to the new world before, say, the Muslims. Someone would have got here from the old world no matter what.

San Francisco should put his statue back up on Telegraph Hill, a gift from their own Italian-American community. (He was from Genoa.) Until his statue is back in its rightful place, fuck San Francisco.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/mexico-kidnapping-victims-cartel-video-b2298156.html

A Mexican drug cartel has blamed five rogue members of its gang for the deadly kidnapping of four Americans in Matamoros.

The Gulf cartel’s Scorpions faction made the claims in a letter obtained by the Associated Press. Photos purportedly showed the suspects with their hands tied, face down on a sidewalk after being turned in by the cartel along with the letter.

The criminal group apologised for the kidnapping and said five of its members “acted under their own decision-making and lack of discipline”.

“The Gulf cartel asks the community to be calm as we’re committed to ensuring that these types of mistakes are not made ever again and plan to make those who are guilty pay,” the letter states.

The development followed reports that Mexican investigators conducted deep background checks on the four victims – LaTavia “Tay” McGee, Eric James Williams, Shaeed Woodard and Zindell Brown – as they probe the possibility of cartel links.

A report obtained by Reutersflagged the criminal records of Williams and Woodard, finding past drug convictions.

When authorities finally located the missing tourists four days after their abduction one week ago, McGee and Williams were rescued while Woodward and Brown were found dead.

The Gulf drug cartel’s ‘apology’
An unnamed Tamaulipas state law enforcement official provided a letter believed to be authored by the Gulf drug cartel to the Associated Press. In it, the criminal organisation promised to turn over five men who kidnapped LaTavia “Tay” McGee, Eric James Williams, Shaeed Woodard and Zindell Brown on 3 March.

“We have decided to turn over those who were directly involved and responsible in the events, who at all times acted under their own decision-making and lack of discipline,” the letter reads, according to the AP.

An extended version of the letter shared by local media also read: “The Gulf drug cartel Scorpion section decries the attack on 3 March, in which a working [Mexican] mother was killed and four American citizens were kidnapped. Two of them were also killed.

“ [The five members] went against the Gulf drug carter’s rules of respecting the life and integrity of innocent people. We apologise to residents of Matamoros ... and the American families affected.”

“The Gulf cartel asks the community to be calm because we’re committed to ensuring that these types of mistakes are not made ever again and making those who are guilty pay.”

WTF? Drug cartel says it respects human life?

More: https://apnews.com/article/mexico-missing-americans-cartel-e35e8c6fcda926e5c2fb8f896aa91f4e

Patrick says

WTF? Drug cartel says it respects human life?

Not about human life. Covering tracks because it was Americans they killed. They know if they piss off enough people the US will make sure the hammer comes down.

It's no different than in Chicago when a banger kills a random white person, it's a big fucking deal and will screw with their "business." That's generally why I'm not afraid in the ghetto. They have more to lose and you're not a threat generally unless a cop. There's no reason to kill random Americans in Mexico by the cartel unless they're involved in the drug trade.

This "seems" like a fuck up on the cartels part, them owning it in hopes US policy doesn't change and we start funding anti cartel/drug trade shit more than we do now.

Columbus was interesting but eventually he flipped out and was brought back to Spain in chains by a knight sent to investigate stories of his crimes.

Re: Mexican cartels
They ruin the Mexican economy and society.
Exports of dope to the USA isn't their only activity; they find easy money by kidnapping and extortion.
The name for "protection" money is "piso".
Many businesses close because they don't want to work to support the gangsters or can't afford it.
I met a Mexican in Texas who left his business behind for this reason; his uncle had a business which he also left.
Mexico has thousands of mom and pop businesses which can't grow or which close.
Most Mexicans would rather have a job in Mexico than leave it to be an illegal alien in the USA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11843579/Bodies-two-Americans-killed-Tummy-Tuck-Four-kidnapping-removed-Mexican-morgue.html

The cartels which are only involved in drugs tend to have more respect for non gangsters.
One reason for turf wars is some groups are pissed at the assholes who kidnap and fuck up everything.
A successful smuggling group doesn't like that losers who are disorganized just kidnap and extort locals; sometimes this turns into a battle.
The boundaries are unclear because all of the guys know extortion is easy money.
There's a huge fake kidnapping scam over the phone and it's actually profitable too.
Scared mothers get a random call about her son or daughter seeking a ransom; it's bullshit but works sometimes.
Mexico is strange to experience; individuals are polite in general, but on the other hand, you're not totally safe either.

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Patrick says

Last night I found out that Indians in the US (the Mississipian culture) built mounds that look a lot like pyramids, though not with stone, as far north as Illinois and Wisconsin. They had human sacrifice and art that looks very Mexican to me

OK, something even weirder:

https://notthebee.com/article/get-in-here-and-learn-about-the-moon-eyed-people-the-cherokee-encountered-when-they-first-moved-into-appalachia-and-the-insane-connection-to-england

This tribe, the Allegewi, supposedly were Delaware and Iroquois tribes, causing the survivors to flee deep into Appalachia where the Cherokee later encountered them.

Here's where the European legend comes in.

There are also claims (including on a Fort Mountain State Park Plaque and, supposedly, by the 18th C. Cherokee chief Oconostota) that the Moon Eyed people are descendants of the Welsh prince Madoc--who, according to Welsh legend, sailed to America in 1170.

Prince Madoc is a fascinating figure out of legend. He supposedly sailed to the Americas three hundred years before Columbus, which isn't an impossible thing to imagine, considering the Viking incursions centuries earlier. There is likely a long chain of various migration events across the Atlantic and Pacific over human history that we know little to nothing about (one of many reasons that the woke worldview and its idea of indigenous land ownership is so childlike).

Not saying it's impossible, but that's pretty similar to what Jehovah's witnesses have in their bible.