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I guess this informs his attitude for youthful mistakes. As it very well should. Youth is about fucking up and finding out. If you survive, you have acquired the best form of FAFO wisdom - "Visceral Wisdom" - where you thank God you weren't killed, and you learned the limits of being an asshole or dumb and stupid.

Oh shit, turns out Vance was clearly infected with wokeness during his time at Yale Law. On page 190, instead of using the correct word "wife" he uses the leftist sex-neutral term "life partner". He goes on to rail against the hillbillies he comes from:

- complains that conservatives think Obama is a Muslim (which he technically is by Islamic law, as his father was Muslim)
- complains that conservatives think or suspect Obama was foreign born (seems possible to me)
- praises Obama as excelling in the Ivy League, being "brilliant, wealthy" and having great diction
- complains that only 6% of Americans think the media is "very trustworthy" (which it clearly is not)
- complains that conservatives think that the US was involved in 9/11 (seems possible to me given Bush's close ties to the Saudis)
- complains that whites think that universities are rigged against whites (obviously true, lawsuits about that are pending, maybe done by now)
- complained that his dad asked if he had to "pretend to be black or liberal" to get into Yale (when that is provably helpful, especially the black thing)
- was proud that Hillary had gone to Yale Law
- worried about "racism"

OK, the book was published in 2016, but I'm still worried that Yale got to Vance and successfully indoctrinated him with the usual far-left elitist crap beliefs.

Patrick says

OK, the book was published in 2016, but I'm still worried that Yale got to Vance and successfully indoctrinated him with the usual far-left elitist crap beliefs.

People change though. I used to smoke cigs. I was scared of black people, but now I know many more and don't care. I loved road trips and now I hate them. I'll never get another animal again even though I love dogs (as pets). I voted for Obama and didn't the 2nd time.

I think it's okay to change positions in life. You just can't be dishonest about it. "I thought that then and now think this way and here's why." Not a massive JD fan, but he is younger. A lot changes from college to working years once you're out of the BS university system. Having kids was the biggest life changer for me.

Having money now is also another biggie. You realize how much government takes and gives to others that do nothing. That's how I got blinded by Obama. Bunch of BS campaign talk to get elected.

Patrick says

OK, the book was published in 2016, but I'm still worried that Yale got to Vance and successfully indoctrinated him with the usual far-left elitist crap beliefs.

Vance joined a fairly based Catholic Men's Group after that point.

Patrick says

Currently reading Vance's "Hillbilly Elegy" and it's pretty good. I had not realized the kind of poverty and dysfunction he came from. He has a good attitude though.

Watch the movie too, Patrick. Its a good one.

Thanks @gabbar

I watched it last night with my wife. It was very good, and true to the book.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/freedoms-ring-saturday-february-15

Yesterday, Politico ran a shocking story headlined, “Vance brings a wrecking ball to diplomatic gathering in Munich.” It described Vice-President Wrecking Ball’s speech yesterday at the annual Munich Security Conference, which is like Davos for European security policy. My first thought was, the headline should have been, “United States Has a Vice President Who Can Give a Coherent Speech.” I mean, Vance didn’t even mention the passage of time once. ...

https://thespectator.com/topic/read-jd-vance-full-speech-decay-europe/

... Vance flipped the script and served them something they’d never tasted: bitter truth.

Vance informed the shocked EU delegates, “the threat that I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about most is the threat from within.”

You could practically hear the shocked and deeply offended gasps when he explicitly named Europe’s elites as the real security risk—not Putin, not Xi, but the unelected bureaucrats, the censors, the election tamperers, and the speech police inside their own governments.

Vance came with receipts: he cited example after example of European attacks on free speech and free elections. He mentioned people arrested for silent prayer outside abortion clinics, those jailed for complaining about uncontrolled migration, free elections overturned on thin evidence of “Russian interference,” and of course, all the recent anguish over Elon Musk’s support for a particular populist political party in Germany.

Europe’s leaders love to label their critics as threats to democracy—but democracy’s biggest threat is Europe’s leaders.

https://thespectator.com/topic/read-jd-vance-full-speech-decay-europe/

Read: J.D. Vance’s full speech on the decline of Europe

‘We shouldn’t be afraid of our people even when they express views that disagree with their leadership’

I just want to say that we’re very moved, and our thoughts and prayers are with Munich and everybody affected by the evil inflicted on this beautiful community. ...

We gather at this conference, of course, to discuss security. And normally we mean threats to our external security. ... the threat that I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of Europe from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with the United States of America.

I was struck that a former European commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the Romanian government had just annulled an entire election. He warned that if things don’t go to plan, the very same thing could happen in Germany too.

Now, these cavalier statements are shocking to American ears. For years we’ve been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship is billed as a defense of democracy. But when we see European courts cancelling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we’re holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard. ...

I look to Brussels, where EU Commission commissars warned citizens that they intend to shut down social media during times of civil unrest: the moment they spot what they’ve judged to be “hateful content,” or to this very country where police have carried out raids against citizens suspected of posting anti-feminist comments online as part of “combating misogyny” on the internet.

I look to Sweden, where two weeks ago, the government convicted a Christian activist for participating in Quran burnings that resulted in his friend’s murder. And as the judge in his case chillingly noted, Sweden’s laws to supposedly protect free expression do not, in fact, grant — and I’m quoting — a “free pass” to do or say anything without risking offending the group that holds that belief.

And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons in particular in the crosshairs. A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam Smith Conner, a fifty-one-year-old physiotherapist and an Army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing fifty meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes, not obstructing anyone, not interacting with anyone, just silently praying on his own. After British law enforcement spotted him and demanded to know what he was praying for, Adam replied simply, it was on behalf of the unborn son.

He and his former girlfriend had aborted years before. Now the officers were not moved. Adam was found guilty of breaking the government’s new Buffer Zones Law, which criminalizes silent prayer and other actions that could influence a person’s decision within 200 meters of an abortion facility. He was sentenced to pay thousands of pounds in legal costs to the prosecution.

Now, I wish I could say that this was a fluke, a one-off, crazy example of a badly written law being enacted against a single person. But no. This last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within so-called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the government urged readers to report any fellow citizens suspected guilty of thought crime in Britain and across Europe. ...

I will admit that sometimes the loudest voices for censorship have come not from within Europe, but from within my own country, where the prior administration threatened and bullied social media companies to censor so-called misinformation. Misinformation, like, for example, the idea that coronavirus had likely leaped from leaked from a laboratory in China. Our own government encouraged private companies to silence people who dared to utter what turned out to be an obvious truth. ...

Which, of course, brings us back to Munich, where the organizers of this very conference have banned lawmakers representing populist parties on both the left and the right from participating in these conversations. Now, again, we don’t have to agree with everything or anything that people say. But when political leaders represent an important constituency, it is incumbent upon us to at least participate in dialogue with them. ...

I believe deeply that there is no security if you are afraid of the voices, the opinions and the conscience that guide your very own people. Europe faces many challenges. But the crisis this continent faces right now, the crisis I believe we all face together, is one of our own making. ...

Today, almost one in five people living in this country moved here from abroad. That is, of course, an all-time high. It’s a similar number, by the way, in the United States, also an all-time high. The number of immigrants who entered the EU from non-EU countries doubled between 2021 and 2022 alone. And of course, it’s gotten much higher since.

And we know the situation. It didn’t materialize in a vacuum. It’s the result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent, and others across the world, over the span of a decade. We saw the horrors wrought by these decisions yesterday in this very city. And of course, I can’t bring it up again without thinking about the terrible victims who had a beautiful winter day in Munich ruined. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and will remain with them. But why did this happen in the first place?

It’s a terrible story, but it’s one we’ve heard way too many times in Europe, and unfortunately too many times in the United States as well. An asylum seeker, often a young man in his mid-twenties, already known to police, rammed a car into a crowd and shatters a community. Unity. How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilization in a new direction? No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants. But you know what they did vote for? In England, they voted for Brexit. And agree or disagree, they voted for it. And more and more all over Europe, they are voting for political leaders who promise to put an end to out-of-control migration. ...

Contrary to what you might hear, a couple of mountains over in Davos, the citizens of all of our nations don’t generally think of themselves as educated animals or as interchangeable cogs of a global economy. And it’s hardly surprising that they don’t want to be shuffled about or relentlessly ignored by their leaders. ...

https://babylonbee.com/news/europeans-beg-jd-vance-to-become-president-of-europe

https://babylonbee.com/news/vance-speech-denouncing-eu-censorship-censored-by-eu

https://x.com/EvaVlaar/status/1890475677259837814

Who were the two who downvoted this thread?

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Who were the two who downvoted this thread?

Wasn't me. His face does piss me off though. Not sure why.

This benchmark speech will be read by future generations, JD became a part of history at Munich.

WookieMan says

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Who were the two who downvoted this thread?

Wasn't me. His face does piss me off though. Not sure why.

It's the fucking eye liner, LOL.

RWSGFY says

It's the fucking eye liner, LOL.

You think it's actual eyeliner? Not saying you're wrong as it looks like it is. Might just be the shape of his eyes and dark hair.

I don't know, now that I look at images again, his whole head bothers me. Not saying he can't be a good VP, but it's hard to look at him. Although I suppose as a straight male Trump is pretty ugly as well, he just entertains so it's not as noticeable.

Patrick says

https://babylonbee.com/news/europeans-beg-jd-vance-to-become-president-of-europe

When Trump is done here, can't he in theory move to Germany, claim citizenship there, then run for office?

WookieMan says

RWSGFY says

It's the fucking eye liner, LOL.

You think it's actual eyeliner? Not saying you're wrong as it looks like it is. Might just be the shape of his eyes and dark hair.

I was like why nobody sees this long before it has become a thing on the interwebz. Waay back, like when he was poking sticks into puddles and commenting on oil raising from the bottom on the scene of the great chicken massacre. Even shown his mug to my wife and she said most def an eye liner.

Good to see JD getting into the trenches unlike Kamala and Pence (and President Trump giving giving him the freedom to do so). Maybe he is our 48.

gabbar says

Good to see JD getting into the trenches unlike Kamala and Pence (and President Trump giving giving him the freedom to do so). Maybe he is our 48.

They're going to beat each other up. Vivek, Rubio, Desantis, JD, etc. Probably many others.

If R's were smart they'd get a consensus now. Yes I know it's early. It's a political party though, they could do the primaries in 2026 instead of waiting. The infighting in 2015-16 primaries was stupid. Get it out of the way early. There's nothing stopping them from doing it beside paperwork and filing.

2 years to campaign as the nominee would be insane. The Dems are in shambles. Change the game. I don't know of any rule that would forbid it, but could be wrong on that.

WookieMan says

If R's were smart they'd get a consensus now.

Demont rats were "smart" and got consensus on Hitlery. Than they were smart again and got a consensus on Biden. Only to replace it with a consensus on Kummala 1/2 way into the campaign. Something tells me consensuses don't work all that good.

Eric Holder says

WookieMan says

If R's were smart they'd get a consensus now.

Demont rats were "smart" and got consensus on Hitlery. Than they were smart again and got a consensus on Biden. Only to replace it with a consensus on Kummala 1/2 way into the campaign. Something tells me consensuses don't work all that good.

R's have a lot of younger guns in the safe. No one is electing AOC or Bernie. He's near dead. Who do they have? Like for real? Newsom is toast by '27. Harris is done. They brought out Waltz which was a shit show. There's no 40-60 year in the Dem party you could elect currently.

We have a good batch of 40-60 year olds in the Republican party. And no I don't register Republican. Just the team I choose most the time.

Bravo, JD

We can't save Western Civ and have millions of illegals... we must have free speech

Vance could be the real deal. If so, I'll vote for him in 2028. Better yet, let he and Tulsi trade VP/POTUS roles for 16 years. It would be epic.

Patrick says

This last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within so-called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the government urged readers to report any fellow citizens suspected guilty of thought crime in Britain and across Europe. ...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02/27/vance-was-right-praying-at-home-could-be-a-crime-depending-on-who-passes-window-says-scottish-mp/

‘Vance Was Right’ — Praying At Home Could Be a Crime ‘Depending on Who Passes Window’, Says Scottish MP

“My kids eat a lotta eggs!” Vance said in Traverse City, Michigan. And in Monroeville, Pennsylvania: “A lotta eggs in my family!” Although other elements of the speech changed here and there, eggs—and their rising price—were always front and center. “The 7-year-old, he’s got his mama’s personality, very practical, worried about whether we have enough eggs,” Vance told a crowd in Charlotte, North Carolina. “And right now all across our country, we’ve got a lot of families that are cutting back because of ... war on affordability in this country.”

Patrick says

Patrick says

This last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within so-called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the government urged readers to report any fellow citizens suspected guilty of thought crime in Britain and across Europe. ...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02/27/vance-was-right-praying-at-home-could-be-a-crime-depending-on-who-passes-window-says-scottish-mp/

‘Vance Was Right’ — Praying At Home Could Be a Crime ‘Depending on Who Passes Window’, Says Scottish MP

Why is he bothering with Scotland? Don't we have enough problems at home? If he's got so much time on his hands he should be assigned to the important task of lowering egg prices.

AmericanKulak says

We can't save Western Civ and have millions of illegals... we must have free speech

I liked the way JD was helping out Trump during meeting with Zelensky...unlike Pence.

gabbar says

AmericanKulak says

We can't save Western Civ and have millions of illegals... we must have free speech

I liked the way JD was helping out Trump during meeting with Zelensky...unlike Pence.

Because he's pissed. Rightly so. Pence was more worried if his wife was with another man. Like he was some trophy...

I like JD so far, but he has a face problem. He looks like a dick. I think it will be a negative factor in future political aspirations. He just looks weird. Maybe women dig it, who knowns. His face is 90% punchable as a guy.

Again he's growing on me and I don't dislike him, but let's face it the normal populace is not tuned in. If he were to run in '28 I'm uncertain of how he'll do.

Vance is a dickhead. I'll vote for Whoopie before I vote for this prick.

I read Vance's "Hillbilly Elegy" and like him more after reading it. I liked him to begin with, but now I like him even more.

Patrick says

I read Vance's "Hillbilly Elegy" and like him more after reading it. I liked him to begin with, but now I like him even more.

I wonder if it is at my local library - There is a waiting list for "Art of the Deal."