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Onvacation says

WookieMan says

Russia is toast long term regardless.

That's neocon thinking. Can't we just get along?

Amazing.

Shouldn't that be directed at Putin?

socal2 says

Onvacation says

WookieMan says

Russia is toast long term regardless.

That's neocon thinking. Can't we just get along?

Amazing.

Shouldn't that be directed at Putin?

No.

The United States overthrew Ukraine. This entire situation is PRECISELY what the United States wanted, right down to controlling Russia's ability to send energy to Europe.

This war could have been easily prevented, and it wasn't, because the puppets the CIA put in power were ordered to encourage it.

Want to prevent future wars? Just send all the Neocons to prison. There, we'll FINALLY have a peace dividend.

cisTits says

WookieMan says

Who gives a shit?

Exactly my point. social2 apparently does.

I care in that I don't want to see needless death and world instability because Russia is so fucking incompetent getting hundreds of thousands of people killed in their failed war.

Some folks here only seem to care and support Russia's illegal invasion to punish Ukraine for being a money laundering playground of US Democrats.

As much as I loathe the Democrats, I would never in a million years cheer on fucking Putin's Russia to succeed in an illegal and total cock-up of an invasion that has gotten so many people killed.

socal2 says

Shouldn't that be directed at Putin?

Do you deny that the west started this war?

Why do the neocons want to strangle Russia?

the goal was ultimately to create the conditions for regime change in Russia. By “overextending and unbalancing” Russia in the military, economic and diplomatic spheres the U.S. could realistically hope to replace the Russian state with one of its own choosing, as it had done with Ukraine.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/6-reasons-the-neocons-in-the-west-wanted-this-war-with-russia/

richwicks says

This entire situation is PRECISELY what the United States wanted, right down to controlling Russia's ability to send energy to Europe.

Ah - America pulling all the strings?

The geniuses in the Biden (and former Obama) administration goaded Russia into launching a massive invasion and fighting a losing battle for over a year?

Russia is too stupid and just playing along like a little pawn?

Onvacation says

Do you deny that the west started this war?

The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.

Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?

How far back are we going to go to justify Russia's illegal invasion?

socal2 says

Some folks here only seem to care and support Russia's illegal invasion to punish Ukraine for being a money laundering playground of US Democrats.

There would be no war if the US got their thumb on top of the warmongers and murderers that started this whole thing.

The FSB revealed that the US did a coup by producing the recording between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt. That fact Americans did NOTHING about that, makes all Americans complicit.

Remember, what brought down the USSR was that the US just reported the truth on what a criminal government the USSR was. Russia is now doing what we USED to do - telling the public the truth. So everything that government wants to lie about and continue to lie about is now called "Russian propaganda" - from Hunter Biden's laptops, to vaccines being neither safe nor effective.

Russia is no friend of the people of the United States, but they recognize we have a common enemy and they are pointing it out, JUST LIKE the US did back in the 1980's with Radio Free America.

The war in Ukraine will end the SECOND the US stops funding it, it wouldn't even started if the US didn't fund the Ukrainian civil war in the first place, even if the US still overthrew the nation. This can all stop, but no. Let Ohio get poisoned, open the borders, and send 100 billion to continue this war.

Russia will win this war, but it's going to be a war of attrition. They'll wipe out the male Ukrainian population, because Ukraine's puppet government is forcing them to fight, and it's going to take years because the US wants to "weaken Russia". That's the goal. It's not to topple Russia, simply to weaken it. It's just another human tragedy caused by the Neocons that drag us into every fucking war, by lying to the public, and by their laptop media that protects them.

socal2 says

The geniuses in the Biden (and former Obama) administration goaded Russia into launching a massive invasion and fighting a losing battle for over a year?

We don't know what the situation is. Let me remind you that "Afghanistan was won" 10 years ago. That's what our media was saying.

I understand I don't have complete information, I understand both sides lie. I understand what this war is about, it's a proxy war, a war of attrition to weaken each side, this is Vietnam II or III or IV or whatever. I don't bother to pay attention to what the propagandists say, on EITHER side.

The goals at this point is for the US to weaken Russia, and for Russia to weaken the EU and the United States. I expect this war to go on for YEARS. Hopefully I'm wrong, but being cynical serves me well.

socal2 says

The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.

Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?

socal2 says

The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.

Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?

You're being obtuse.

socal2 says

I care in that I don't want to see needless death and world instability because Russia is so fucking incompetent getting hundreds of thousands of people killed in their failed war.

From the Russian prospective it needed to happen and has been happening. I get 2014 and our role and Crimea but this was always in the works with Putin regardless. He's trying to create a legacy. What I don't think he realizes is in modern times no one really truly cares. In American history books he'll declared a war mongering dictator. I also think he is souring with Russia nationals as well. They just don't have an outlet. Putin and the oligarchs control everything.

We are similar, but as flawed as the US is with media, you generally can find out what you want. It's the execution of doing anything about it that's the problem. I've literally gotten a direct response from the county prosecutor that admitted evidence that I produced was illegal with what my kids school district was doing. They violated OMA and reporting what they were doing with tax payer money. I could have sued and taken action, but that's money out of my pocket two fold since I'd be suing the body I pay taxes to, essentially myself.

Our legal system on the Federal, state, county and city level is shit. They look the other way. So the DOD thinks they can get away with anything. The FBI thinks they can get away with anything. The CIA thinks they can get away with anything. Guess what they do. There are no consequences and that's because of fucking lawyers. Politicians are bad, but the "police" so to speak with regards to lawyers do nothing.

Put this way I could run a kid over with a 0.25 BAC and get out of it. Lawyers control everything. Even judges. Now just take this to the federal level. FBI, CIA, DOD, FDA, CDC, etc all have the best lawyers. If we had a true legal system things would be substantially different.

socal2 says

Onvacation says

Do you deny that the west started this war?

The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.

Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?

How far back are we going to go to justify Russia's illegal invasion?

It started in 2014 when the United States overthrew Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44TrkyAkZw4

original link

Even the secretary general of NATO has admitted this. When a politician tells the truth, which is INCREDIBLY rare, listen. What's happened is clear, please stop clouding the issue. I have pointed out what is going on, countless times here. I get people complaining that I repeat myself, what I don't get though, are people contesting what I'm saying.

So long as people keep repeating falsehoods, I'll keep correcting them.

Watched War Games last night. I think it's a really under-rated movie. Early hacker genre, good suspense, somehow still light-hearted, and a great lesson more than a few people here need to be reminded of. There are no winners in war, so the best move is not to play.

This can't be. I thought the defeat of the Russian forces was imminent and that the next conquest for the victorious Ukraine army was Crimea.

Bakhmut "Practically Surrounded" As Wagner Chief Urges Zelensky Surrender His Forces 'To Save Lives'

"As we reported earlier this week, Zelensky and his top aides have lately issued statements appearing to pave the way for a 'strategic withdrawal' - or in reality a retreat - as better-armed and numerically superior Russian forces have the city almost completely encircled."

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bakhmut-practically-surrounded-wagner-chief-tells-zelensky-surrender-save-lives

PS: Attention Joe Biden: Please send more boatloads of taxpayers money in order to save Ukraine. Your 10% will naturally go into your off-shore account, as per usual, Your pal and partner Zelensky.

RayAmerica says

This can't be. I thought the defeat of the Russian forces was imminent and that the next conquest for the victorious Ukraine army was Crimea.

Bakhmut "Practically Surrounded" As Wagner Chief Urges Zelensky Surrender His Forces 'To Save Lives'

Even if Russia manages to capture Bakmut (hasn't happened yet) - how massively pathetic is it for Russia (and the US fanboy club?) to celebrate Bakhmut as some sort of major achievement for Russia after 4+ months of losing thousands of men to this meat grinder?

How many months and how many thousands of Russian lives were lost or grievously wounded to capture this one city? Yeah yeah - they were just throw away Russian prisoners from Wagner, but Russia is already in a demographic death spiral and can't afford to lose thousands of fertile men for a lost cause. This is not WWII where Russia had an endless supply of peasants who had 8+ kids per family.

At this rate, it will take Russia 50+ more years and a million lives to get back to the ground they temporarily held in the first month of the war.

socal2 says

At this rate, it will take Russia 50+ more years and a million lives to get back to the ground they temporarily held in the first month of the war.

Again the purpose of the war is to drag it out, for both Russia and the United States. It's a war of attrition.

Steve Bannon at CPAC: We Are Being Led Into World War III
https://rumble.com/v2bnhn8-steve-bannon-at-cpac-we-are-being-led-into-world-war-iii.html

I don't get it. How can we call ourselves Americans giving shit tons of money to some foreign country, and leaving people in Ohio to die from being poisoned? Seems like the only thing that should be discussed on this topic is how to turn all that fucking fake support and sentiment to good use for the people suffering in East Palestine.

By the way. I have noticed some of you who barely mentioned the train wreck except to downplay it, have been VERY vocal in support of Ukraine. What does that say about your priorities?

socal2 says

So what is driving all this now - other than one man's vanity?

This has been answered many times before, but you just ignore it in favor of bullshit US propaganda. It's tiresome. You ask questions and you ignore answers.

Putin is just like our president, a figurehead. I imagine Putin has some ACTUAL power though, unlike Biden, but if Putin drops dead tomorrow, that won't end the war. Remember when Georgia attacked S. Ossetia, and Russia went in to put an end to that? It wasn't Putin that did that, it was Dmitry Medvedev.

It's Western FICTION that Putin is the "one man behind this". It's stupid and childish to believe that.

NuttBoxer says

By the way. I have noticed some of you who barely mentioned the train wreck except to downplay it, have been VERY vocal in support of Ukraine. What does that say about your priorities?

It says they get virtue signaling points for backing ukraine and none for the ohio disaster

I think it says they've been duped by propaganda. Especially effective propaganda because it plays on their nationalism, and hatred of Russia, which as they point out, they have good reasons for. But I don't know a single patnetter who's ever virtue signaled. We're way too based for that.

Old, satirical movie depicting how World War III could start. Free to watch:

Dr.Strangelove.1964.1080p.BluRay.DCRG.eng

https://ok.ru/video/222581754386

3/11/23 interview of Gen. Michael Flynn ... covering a lot of very important subjects, including the upcoming global financial crisis, along with a potential WW III.

General Michael Flynn Issues Emergency Message to Humanity
https://rumble.com/v2cpoeu-general-michael-flynn-issues-emergency-message-to-humanity.html

How it was:

“Violence is not my weapon,” he said.

So shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine in late February and Ukraine prohibited men of military age from leaving the country, Klever sneaked out to London.

Klever’s mistake, which would bring devastating consequences, was writing to a friend about being smuggled out and making it to London.

The friend betrayed his trust and posted their conversation on social media. It went viral, and Ukrainians all over the internet exploded with anger and resentment.

“You are a walking dead person,” one Twitter message said. “I’m going to find you in any corner in the world.”

The notion of people — especially men — leaving war-torn Ukraine for safe and comfortable lives abroad has provoked a moral dilemma among Ukrainians that turns on one of the most elemental decisions humans can make: fight or flee.

Thousands of Ukrainian men of military age have left the country to avoid participating in the war, according to records from regional law enforcement officials and interviews with people inside and outside Ukraine. Smuggling rings in Moldova, and possibly other European countries, have been doing a brisk business. Some people have paid up to $15,000 for a secret nighttime ride out of Ukraine, Moldovan officials said.

The draft dodgers are the vast exception. That makes it all the more complicated for them — morally, socially and practically. Ukrainian society has been mobilised for war against a much bigger enemy, and countless Ukrainians without military experience have volunteered for the fight. To maximise its forces, the Ukrainian government has taken the extreme step of prohibiting men aged 18 to 60 from leaving, with few exceptions.

https://bdnews24.com/society/ukraines-draft-dodgers-face-guilt-shame-and-reproach (reprinted from NYT)

How it's going:

According to recent reports, Ukraine has recently begun experiencing some military recruitment issues, a problem that has plagued Russia since the start of its war in Ukraine.

On Wednesday, Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) announced it had blocked 26 Telegram channels that were allegedly helping people of military age avoid mobilization. The news came following a February 26 report The Economist that said, "Ukraine has visibly stepped up mobilization activities in the first two months of this year."

The Economist further detailed that mobilization in Ukraine has become increasingly aggressive with reports of draft notices being issued at military funerals and officials patrolling ski resorts for people avoiding enlistment summons.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-faces-same-glaring-problem-russia-1786477

More:

In a country like Ukraine there are inevitably less-than-legal ways to escape the call-up, too. “It’s a dialectic of nature,” says Colonel Kevlyuk, who worked in the army’s general staff until 2021. “Wherever there is demand, you’ll always find someone to supply it.” Some arrange fictitious marriages with mothers of three or more children. Others get corrupt military doctors to issue a medical exemption For a few thousand dollars one can pay to be smuggled across the border. But the appetite for risk is falling after a series of well-publicised draft-dodging prosecutions.
Government officials say that any excesses are being tackled as they come to light. But with the army set on achieving a breakthrough on the battlefield before the summer, the recruitment of less-motivated Ukrainians will surely be stepped up and scandals will probably persist. The armed forces may respond to legal challenges by sharpening up their bureaucracy, but there are other ways to deal with them. Informed sources say that at least two lawyers disputing draft orders have abruptly been called up themselves. As the army well knows, mobilised lawyers are automatically barred from practising.

https://archive.fo/P8mHk#selection-851.0-859.1

cisTits says

Meanwhile, the Russians executed a substantial mobilization which has added upwards of 400,000 thousand effectives to their forces. Contrary to almost-universal predictions that Russian armaments would have long-since been exhausted, and their economy crumbled under the weight of western sanctions, neither has occurred.

The problem with the initial invasion is that the pro segment of the army was material rich but infantry poor, though well trained, but had no follow on forces to keep the areas they swept through clear and stop defeated elements of the AFU from regrouping. Then, because it was kept secret, there was no logistical prep to resupply the Russian advance AND the swept through areas were reoccupied by AFU elements since there was nothing to "Hold" the roads open.

As usual, after a year or two the Russians will get their shit together, in pretty much every single war Russia ever fought, and then it's a whole new ballgame. Russia always sucks in the first few innings or the first quarter of the game.

Then before you know it, Cossacks are inspiring the Kan Kan in Paris.

AmericanKulak says

cisTits says

Meanwhile, the Russians executed a substantial mobilization which has added upwards of 400,000 thousand effectives to their forces. Contrary to almost-universal predictions that Russian armaments would have long-since been exhausted, and their economy crumbled under the weight of western sanctions, neither has occurred.

The problem with the initial invasion is that the pro segment of the army was material rich but infantry poor, though well trained, but had no follow on forces to keep the areas they swept through clear and stop defeated elements of the AFU from regrouping. Then, because it was kept secret, there was no logistical prep to resupply the Russian advance AND the swept through areas were reoccupied by AFU elements since there was nothing to "Hold" the roads open.

As usual, after a year or two the Russians will get their shit together, in pret...

In the war which ended with Cossacks in Paris their opponent was fighting on multiple fronts. In the other war where they "got their shit together later" everybody loves to mention not only their opponent was fighting on multiple fronts but also decisive amounts of armaments, materiel and other supplies was handed to them by the allies (read USA). And in the war between these two thir opponent was also fighting on multiple fronts but they managed to completely collapse first as an army and then as a country. Oh, and in the smallish war before that one they had their ass handed to them both on land and on the sea (this is when their previous loss of a flagship happened, btw) by an "inferior" adversary supported by the West.

Which one of the scenarios are most similar to today's war?

The one mentioned the last checks most marks, imo: the opponent is not fighting on multiple fronts, the flagship is already lost and the Western support is there (albeit too little and too late).

No, almost every war. Multiple wars against Poland-Lithuania, Sweden, the Turks. Even the Winter War in Finland.

The battle of Poltava had the Swedes' rampaging through Poland-Lithuania and all over Russia and then Peter I got the Russian Army's shit together and broke Sweden's Great Power status forever. At the Battle of Narva a year earlier, the Swedes clobbered a Russian siege relief force 4x it's size.

Eventually the Russians get their shit together and the vastness of their resources and manpower come into play. Without a huge commitment of foreign troops in Ukraine, it's over and at the very least Russia keeps/takes Donbas and Crimea.

Putin tried to pull a Georgia in Ukraine using only the modernized faction of Russian Army units, but they didn't have the manpower to hold territory and had to withdraw for their inadequate supply lines. Once the additional troops are commited, it's game over for Ukraine, barring NATO intervention.

Appearing on the bought and paid for Neo-Con, MIC show "Hannity,"

Lindsey Graham Pushes For Escalation After Russian Downing Of U.S. Drone

The GOP hawk referenced Ronald Reagan on Fox News in suggesting a provocative response to the collision over the Black Sea.

“What would Ronald Reagan do right now? He would start shooting Russian planes down if they were threatening our assets.” Graham said.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-ronald-reagan-drone_n_64118db2e4b0a3902d2dc759

PS: There's only one way we get to World War III, and that's through the escalation on the part of the USA & NATO.

The escalation continues ...

Putin points fingers at the US once again over Nord Stream sabotage

Moscow, Russia - Russian President Vladimir Putin has dismissed reports of possible Ukrainian involvement in the blasts that destroyed the Nord Stream Baltic gas pipelines in September as "total nonsense."

Such an action at this depth and on this scale could be carried out "only by specialists," Putin said in a television interview broadcast on Tuesday. "This also still requires the support of a state that has the appropriate technology."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-points-fingers-at-the-us-once-again-over-nord-stream-sabotage/ar-AA18Do49

Trump was the first POTUS in many years NOT to start a new war. He resisted the Neo-Cons attempt to invade Syria and Iran. IMO, this is one of the major reasons that the election was stolen from him. Check out this article:

Donald Trump Has Got It Right on World War 3

On Thursday, President Trump released a new “Agenda 47” video for his 2024 campaign and slammed what is going on in Ukraine, and our current criminal administration:

“We have never been closer to World War 3 than we are today under Joe Biden. A global conflict between nuclear-armed powers would mean death and destruction on a scale unmatched in human history. It would be nuclear armageddon.”

“Nothing is more important than avoiding that nightmare. We will avoid it, but we need new leadership. Every day this proxy battle in Ukraine continues, we risk global war. We must be absolutely clear that our objective is to immediately have a total cessation of hostilities. All shooting has to stop.”

“This is the central issue. We need peace without delay. In addition, there must also be a complete commitment to dismantle the entire globalist neocon establishment that is perpetually dragging us into endless wars, pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad, while they turn us into a third-world country and a third-world dictatorship right here at home,” said President Trump.
https://www.americaoutloud.com/trumps-got-it-right-on-world-war-3/

Is this a peaceful move, or, will this edge us closer to WW III?

NATO Looking to Send 300,000 Troops to the Russian Border
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/03/19/nato-looking-to-send-300000-troops-to-the-russian-border-n1679663

RayAmerica says

Is this a peaceful move, or, will this edge us closer to WW III?

NATO Looking to Send 300,000 Troops to the Russian Border
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/03/19/nato-looking-to-send-300000-troops-to-the-russian-border-n1679663

With shotguns and pistols?

Why is China interfering with the USA's plan for starting World War III? How dare they attempt to make peace?

US Secretary Of State Rebuffs China - No Diplomatic Solution Without Total Russian Pullback (which is never going to happen)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/secretary-state-rebuffs-china-no-diplomatic-solution-without-total-russian-pullback

GNL says

With shotguns and pistols?

birdshot and blanks?

RayAmerica says

US Secretary Of State Rebuffs China - No Diplomatic Solution Without Total Russian Pullback (which is never going to happen)

Hesitant to believe Russia will pull back. They want the land bridge to Crimea. Frankly they're idiots. Ukraine is no saint either. Negotiate a land deal. Give them their god damn road/rail and negotiate a resource deal for crops or whatever.

Ukraine is more corrupt, but Russia is just looking like a massive moron at this point. Negotiate. Give them money for the land you want with negotiations over resources. It's not complicated. They're going to piss away an entire generation of men and have demographic issues for decades. Russian women will flee to the west and Russia is fucked as usual for a century.

John Bolton is Mad that Ron DeSantis is Not Gung-Ho About Waging War Against Russia

After Florida Governor Ron DeSantis offered the reasonable, realist perspective that the Russo-Ukrainian conflict does not merit any further United States involvement, the neoconservative and superhawk wings of the Republican Party went bonkers. After the launch of Russia’s “special military operation” into Ukraine on February 24, 2023 these wings of the party consolidated to support waging a proxy war against Russia. For them, anyone who dared question such actions against Russia would be deemed a Putin apologist or agent of the Kremlin. Well it looks like DeSantis might be on the Russian government’s payroll.

Bolton said the following on Twitter on March 16, 2023:

I am disappointed by @GovRonDeSantis comments on Ukraine. Whatever the political strategy was, I think that it was wrong and in terms of geopolitics it was badly wrong. The conflict in Ukraine is of vital interest to the US and we deserve leaders who understand the importance of America’s global priorities.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/john-bolton-is-mad-that-ron-desantis-is-not-gung-ho-about-waging-war-against-russia/

PS: Has there ever been a military action or war that this psychopath hasn't enthusiastically supported?

Wunderwaffen being positioned for the WWIII: https://twitter.com/Seveerity/status/1638556341022121985?ref_src=patrick.net

Eric Holder says

Wunderwaffen being position for the WWIII: https://twitter.com/Seveerity/status/1638556341022121985?ref_src=patrick.net

BUT THEY HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THESE TANKS! AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED USING T-34/85's!!!!

On a more serious note, owners of the largest and most combat-ready army in Europe, namely Poland, has said that if Ukraine loses, they may have to enter war with Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77SJi87RKJ0

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/polish-ambassador-to-france-does-not-rule-out-direct-polish-intervention-in-ukraine-war/2850995

News do not appear in Western media too much, clip is from Azerbaijani news source and article from Turkish sources.

Bd6r says

AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED USING T-34/85's!!!!

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