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The old reliable Gaza-Israeli distraction. Maybe they are jealous of the billions thrown at Ukraine and want a few thrown their way. I think Gaza and Israel have each other on speed dial to fuck the pooch with each other for display.

Oh I agree, but I do get a kick out of watching the Commie Fags on the Left that cheers every time Israel gets a bus full of students blown to smithereens but howls like it's a travesty when Israel retaliates and blows a few shit fingers sky high.

Tenpoundbass says

Oh I agree, but I do get a kick out of watching the Commie Fags on the Left that cheers every time Israel gets a bus full of students blown to smithereens but howls like it's a travesty when Israel retaliates and blows a few shit fingers sky high.

We always get the story starting in the middle. Israel has been fucking with Gaza the entire time, and when they finally retaliate all we here on the propaganda box is how this is an unprovoked and unjustified attack.

20 years ago Israel was claiming if the West Bank would just stop attacking them, there would be peace. Well, all they've done is expand in the West Bank. There's no negotiating with Israel. West Bank was foolish to think this was possible, as a result, there's hardly any West Bank left.

You're acting like Muslims worldwide don't advertise to the fact, with much great impunity!
Say and do something they don't agree with, we'll murder a whole public space full of innocent civilians.

They'll get no sympathy from me about "Who started what first".

Tenpoundbass says

You're acting like Muslims worldwide don't advertise to the fact, with much great impunity!
Say and do something they don't agree with, we'll murder a whole public space full of innocent civilians.

They'll get no sympathy from me about "Who started what first".

Look, a bunch of nutcase Zionists are dragging us to WWIII.

https://twitter.com/JayChacko/status/1644306915298787331?ref_src=patrick.net

That's who has been running our foreign policy for 8 years. Our news is bullshit. It's just foolish to use them to take your cues as to what the hell is going on.

Israel wants to expand, they fully believe they should own the West Bank and Gaza, and they will.

Here, this is our foreign policy simply explained:


original link

The US wants war, ALWAYS. We are at the point when a peace deal is made, this is a "disaster" for our state department. I'm fucking tired of war, and who makes it constantly? It's expensive, it doesn't help this nation, it's immoral, it's stupid. Look, ignore the moral part of it, and just think of what it's done to this nation. It's fucking bankrupted us. What mother fuckers have bankrupted us?

Take a look at how controls the state department. Been like this for 20 years, we could have prevented our bankruptcy, nobody gave a shit. Didn't want to offend anybody!!!!

I'm not asking for any fucking sympathy, I'm asking some people to use their fucking brain.

richwicks says

Look, a bunch of nutcase Zionists are dragging us to WWIII.

https://twitter.com/JayChacko/status/1644306915298787331?ref_src=patrick.net

That's who has been running our foreign policy for 8 years. Our news is bullshit. It's just foolish to use them to take your cues as to what the hell is going on.

Israel wants to expand, they fully believe they should own the West Bank and Gaza, and they will.

Why did they give up the Sinai in return for Peace, then?

There is no West Bank, that's a post-1947 illegal Jordanian occupation name for Judea and Samaria. The "Palestinians" never once protested or launched an intifada against Jordan during the 20 years that country illegally occupied the West Bank without the least pastiche of legality.

There's a stupid 1981 jack off fantasy article by a retired guy named Oded that is continually used to "Prove" that Israel wants to expand to Baghdad and Cairo or something.

Saint Pancake was an Evergreen College Graduate.

No US troops - other than a few dozen guys to run an ELINT post and maybe a few dozen more to handle a Haifa USN depot - have ever been deployed in a War involving Israel. It's an old trick to insist that every War involved in the ME involves Israel's machinations, even when it's clearly Sunni-Shi'a, Baa'athist, Turks vs. Arab, or Arab vs. Persian. There were plenty of wars in the region long before Israel between Emirs, between renegate Ottoman Governors, Saudi Princes (Saud vs. Husseyn), etc.

Basically: "Arabs all love each other and everything would be fine without the Zionist Entity" is a distraction.

AmericanKulak says

Why did they give up the Sinai in return for Peace, then?

It's all fucking calculated. They say they want a 2 state solution, they fucking do not. They will retake what they want when they can. The entire United States will go to war on their behalf.

AmericanKulak says

There is no West Bank, that's a post-1947 illegal Jordanian occupation name for Judea and Samaria.

Oh my god.

I don't want to argue this. The Balfour declaration said if you're going to have a Jewish homeland, don't fuck with the rights of the existing people there. The partition in 1947 is what the Jewish people signed onto there, and the Palestinians (both Arab and Christian) did NOT - that resolution did not pass self-determination, it was voted on by ONLY Jewish people - the rest of people were ignored.

It lead to a refugee crisis, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Count Berndotte goes in trying to end this stupid civil war, he's murdered by the Stern Gang, which was a triumvirate, one of the leaders was Yitzhak Shamir - 7th prime minister to Israel. Once a terrorist, always terrorist, that's what Israel has been saying for 70 years.

Israel fucking lies. Our foreign policy is EXACTLY like the Israeli foreign policy. They CLAIM they want to stop war, and start wars all the fucking time.

There is so fucking much propaganda around Israel, it takes DAYS to even explain it. It was "a land without people for a people without a land" - because Samuel Clemens on a trip of a bunch of religious zealots went there and wrote about this. You have to spend SO MUCH FUCKING TIME debunking it, it's not worth it.

Israel is going to do what they fucking want to do. Everything you know about it, is most likely a lie, and that includes most Jewish people too. They have no fucking clue. They lie and lie and lie and lie and lie. Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? It's very VERY likely, they are all forgeries. There's some psychopathy of the Jewish group that creates false narratives and FIERCELY defends them.

For example, there was no King David. Remember David and Goliath - who did Goliath fight for, what army was he a part of? There's no mention of King David anywhere outside of the Bible except in Israel, where they fake shit all the time, like the Dead Sea Scrolls - the Roman Empire, Egyptian Empire, and Greek Empire were all around then. No other civilization new about it. No Exodus. No recorded enslavement of Jewish people in Egypt.

It's an empire of lies, and always has been, and I just don't have the time and energy to convince ONE person of that. It takes fucking weeks and you won't believe it anyhow. Hasbara will fucking show up here if they get wind of it, it will be a nightmare.

I don't give a shit anymore.

Believe what you like. It doesn't matter anyhow.

richwicks says

It's all fucking calculated. They say they want a 2 state solution, they fucking do not. They will retake what they want when they can. The entire United States will go to war on their behalf.

Neither do Palestinians.

That's what "River to Sea" means. The vast majority of Palestinians don't want a 2 state solution in poll after poll. Arab Supremacists want 100% Arab Muslims in the Levant, that's why no there's never been a Kurdish State and why Lebanon had a civil war and Hezbollah steadily depopulates Christians.

For example, there was no King David. Remember David and Goliath - who did Goliath fight for, what army was he a part of? There's no mention of King David anywhere outside of the Bible except in Israel, where they fake shit all the time, like the Dead Sea Scrolls - the Roman Empire, Egyptian Empire, and Greek Empire were all around then. No other civilization new about it. No Exodus. No recorded enslavement of Jewish people in Egypt.

We've been over this before. Tel Dan Steele and other archaeological evidence for the "House of David"

It's an empire of lies, and always has been, and I just don't have the time and energy to convince ONE person of that. It takes fucking weeks and you won't believe it anyhow. Hasbara will fucking show up here if they get wind of it, it will be a nightmare.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time this humbug was brought up.

EDIT: Here are the most recent ones, all from the past few months:
https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1765797
https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1909155
https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1909159

Time and Time again I've provided answers to your claims, and time and time again you show up later making the same claims. Then you claim you don't have time to prove your claims.

What there isn't is any Arabstinian leader or government - not part of another's empire, caliphate, or emirate - ruling the region. No Queen Laila the Haughty, Emir of Ramallah, from 1200 or whatever with coins with her reign on it.

AmericanKulak says

Neither do Palestinians.

That's what "River to Sea" means.

Who, specifically said this? What video, what audio, what writing?

Golly, you can't find a source? I wonder why you can't find a source on the FUCKING internet, that has had goddamned hyperlinks for 30 years, and nearly perfect translation tools for 10.

I've seen MEMRI "mistranslate" Arabic so many fucking times, I entirely ignore Israel. Think Rachael Maddow or Sean Hannity is bad, listen to MEMRI, it's run by Yigal Carmon,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Carmon

This motherfucker is running a propaganda agency, obviously. I no longer waste my time listening to assholes who are Joseph Goebbels incarnate. I've spent enough time doing that, when Israel speaks, assume it's a lie. That limits your reduction in wasted time by 90%. Same for US corporate news. It's just not worth picking through the shitpile to find the penny the cow swallowed, assuming it shit it out at that point.

I've gone through this shit before, you'd think SOMEBODY would be pointing out the "errors", and they do, but they were deplatformed, censored, whatever. I've been deplatformed.

It's just too much effort to argue about this. It takes a lot of time and a ton deprogramming and unless you can accept being wrong in the first place, it's pointless. I regard myself as easily deceived, because I have been, and I have realized this, multiple times and even if you can do this, I'm not going to expend weeks talking to you, because it's enormous effort. Nobody helped me.

richwicks says

Who, specifically said this? What video, what audio, what writing?

From a polling group based in Ramallah.
https://www.lesclesdumoyenorient.com/Interview-with-Dr-Khalil-Shikaki-A-majority-of-Palestinians-believe-that-the.html

Also, when are those Palestinian National Level Elections going to be held? I think they're what, over a decade late now? Mahmood "Abu Mazen" Abbas, the ex-KGB Stooge just doesn't want to bother campaigning, I guess. Hamas certainly doesn't want elections.

richwicks says

I've gone through this shit before, you'd think SOMEBODY would be pointing out the "errors", and they do, but they were deplatformed, censored, whatever. I've been deplatformed.

The default view in the Middle East, Europe, in US Academia, etc. is Pro-Arabstinian. The US is (or maybe was) the lone exception to Palestinian bias, but WaPo, the NYT, etc are increasingly anti-Israel. Reuters has been for decades; BBC from inception.

richwicks says

I've seen MEMRI "mistranslate" Arabic so many fucking times

Do you speak Arabic? Or is it pro-Arabstinian media telling you MEMRI's Arabic is wrong, keeping in mind that about a fifth of Jewish Israelis speak fluent Arabic and it's their "home" language.

I've seen "Higher Criticism" Bible "Scholars" try to assert that in their reading of the Hebrew AND Greek, both of which are gendered-languages, they can find "Spouse" instead of "Wife" or that "YHWH" is a woman, despite all the grammar showing the female term and often the female/wife word, used explicitly in all the texts.

A great example is Achmed Hisjihad apologists: "Oh, he didn't say exterminate Israel, he said Erase the Borders". Either way, it's a delegitimizing, existential threat. If the USSR said "We'll erase America's border" it's a threat to eliminate the United States as a country, one way or another.

What's the difference between "That's Right" or "That's Correct"?

AmericanKulak says

If the USSR said "We'll erase America's border" it's a threat to eliminate the United States as a country, one way or another.

Looks like the southern border got erased anyway.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Who, specifically said this? What video, what audio, what writing?

From a polling group based in Ramallah.
https://www.lesclesdumoyenorient.com/Interview-with-Dr-Khalil-Shikaki-A-majority-of-Palestinians-believe-that-the.html

The word "sea" does not appear anywhere in that document.

It's just an article about the most obvious thing in the world, that a two state solution in Israel is impossible. Well, duh.

Israel doesn't want it, and Israel doesn't give a shit about what the Palestinians want.