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retire as soon as you can


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2023 Apr 19, 8:25am   8,059 views  73 comments

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I'm a baby boomer and I sometimes call up old college friends.
I have learned a lot of them are sick, fucked up, or even dead. It's a shock because I remember them as they were in college of course.
I have an inherited IRA and the IRS makes me take out Required Minimum Distribution based on a mortality table; according to them I have about 18 years left on earth.
At the rate I'm going, I can't spend my money in that time so I better start having more fun.
You are 50% likely to have arthritis over age 60.
Cataracts are in your future, but LENSAR is the state of the art and can fix it in about 30 seconds.
All of your amalgam fillings need to be replaced on your molars; but CEREC can make the zirconia crown while you wait in the dentist's office.
A guy in Santa Cruz was a health and gym nut; he got diabetes and it's fucked up his teeth somehow and he's unable to spend $20,000 so he's probably going to have upper dentures.
Judging from myself and the people I know, it's all fine until about age 64; then shit starts to happen to us.
My father lived until 96 so I am still planning on having money just in case I need to hire two nurses; one big one to push my chair and a little one to look at and talk to ;)

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54   Eman   2023 Apr 20, 9:07pm  

mell says

One of my goals is not taking any medication outside of supplements, with the exception of addressing acute issues rarely, and even then OTC stuff should be fine. I'm convinced that 80% of modern medicine pushed medications make things worse, not better. Nobody should have to take any medication until advanced old age, and even then sparsely, with few exceptions provi...

Same here. The only supplement that I take occasionally is Vitamin D. Congrats @mell. Stay active. Stay healthy. Live happy
55   joshuatrio   2023 Apr 21, 5:43am  

komputodo says

joshuatrio says


I still want to buy a sailboat and circumvent the world.

don't wait to buy one....rent one and leave tomorrow. Have fun


Where can you rent one for a year or two? Already completed ASA 101-104.

komputodo says

HeadSet says


joshuatrio says



I still want to buy a sailboat and circumvent the world.

Interesting choice of words - "circumvent."


he wanted to throw a $10 word into his comment.


Lol, yeah. I watch too many sailing channels.
56   joshuatrio   2023 Apr 21, 5:45am  

Eman says

mell says


One of my goals is not taking any medication outside of supplements, with the exception of addressing acute issues rarely, and even then OTC stuff should be fine. I'm convinced that 80% of modern medicine pushed medications make things worse, not better. Nobody should have to take any medication until advanced old age, and even then sparsely, with few exceptions provi...

Same here. The only supplement that I take occasionally is Vitamin D. Congrats mell. Stay active. Stay healthy. Live happy


That's an awesome goal and achievable for most people via diet. It took me years to get off blood pressure meds, but once I found what worked, I never went back.

Being on a med, makes you feel like a lifetime slave to big pharma/doc complex. It was liberating to be able to throw my old script in the trash.
57   RayAmerica   2023 Apr 21, 7:01am  

RWSGFY says

Why fish?

Here are just some of the MEDICAL reasons, as explained by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn: Eating Fish Gives You Highest Rate Of TMAO. Highest Rates Of TMAO Had Most Severe Cardiovascular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDJhFn-pRwM&t=296s

Here's my own take on eating fish. First, much of what we are consuming are fish that have been 'farmed.' Chemicals, growth hormones, antibiotics, etc. are all used in farmed fish. Obviously, when eating these fish, you are also consuming those artificial chemicals. Wild fish also are found to have high levels of mercury, along with PCBs. If the above is prepared with oil (as in baked or deep fried) the negatives for your heart only increases.
58   HeadSet   2023 Apr 21, 8:07am  

komputodo says

HeadSet says


joshuatrio says



I still want to buy a sailboat and circumvent the world.

Interesting choice of words - "circumvent."


he wanted to throw a $10 word into his comment.

No, not a "$10 word," but possibly an accidental pun. Joshuatrio may have meant "I still want to buy a sailboat and circumnavigate the world. The word "circumvent" means to prevent or overcome an obstacle or difficulty, as in "The Dems circumvented Trump's re-election using vote fraud."
59   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Apr 21, 9:17am  

RayAmerica says

Here's my own take on eating fish. First, much of what we are consuming are fish that have been 'farmed.' Chemicals, growth hormones, antibiotics, etc. are all used in farmed fish. Obviously, when eating these fish, you are also consuming those artificial chemicals. Wild fish also are found to have high levels of mercury, along with PCBs. If the above is prepared with oil (as in baked or deep fried) the negatives for your heart only increases.


All valid points, but you could use the same reasoning to never eat vegetables again. Sprayed with pesticides, GMO's, can also be served fried. But if you source quality ingredients, you'll be fine. In the case of fish, NO farmed ever, nothing from the Atlantic(too dirty), And just bake in the oven(no oil required). And NEVER eat the scales, that's the layer they use to keep toxins out.

Be careful of any diet that cuts out natural substances other than added sugar. The more you cut out, the more supplements, or variety you need from other sources.
60   joshuatrio   2023 Apr 21, 10:47am  

WookieMan says

joshuatrio says


One goal remains, and I still want to buy a sailboat and circumvent the world. But that remains to be seen, until all this global retardedness stops.

Do local. Great loop. https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/great-loop.html

Don't know your sea going experience but that's a great starter trip. Transatlantic or Pacific you gotta know your shit. You get 300 miles off shore in a sail boat you ain't going back likely. Or tool around the Caribbean first. I'm different though I have to interest to go east besides the Med, mainly Greece in Europe, Australia, NZ and I'd check out anything in this hemisphere. Southeast Asia seems like it could be fun. Or South Pacific.


Yes! I've seen the great loop and have considered starting out taking that route.

My son graduates high school in 3 years, so the goal is to have a sail boat by then. Either start out with the great loop or island hopping in the Caribbean.
61   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Apr 21, 1:58pm  

I have a cousin who lives on a boat with her husband in Tampa. He works remotely, and they plan on sailing around, but apparently they've had to sink some money into the boat first..
62   Ceffer   2023 Apr 21, 3:27pm  

I watched my friend's vids from when he went up and down the Pacific Coasts and around the Atlantic to Europe. Aside from some interesting pictures in which he hired naked girls to staff his boat, stuff looked a bit scary. I am surprised he is alive. Just a few things, he was nearly shot when a group of rebels commandeered a bus he was on in Columbia. He was told not to say a word. He was also nearly killed by a serial killer from Germany, who murdered people on a boat, took it over, and said he needed help when he couldn't manage the boat alone and ran into my friend. He attacked my friend when he was given a tow. My friend warded him off and threw him overboard to swim back to his boat. My friend wound up needing surgery on his hand where he was struck by the pipe he was warding off.

A staff member from my grad school and her husband I heard took tours around the world (he was wealthy show biz exec) and were killed by Somali pirates when they decided to take a shortcut away from their boat grouping.

Another guy and wife went on a jaunt around the Pacific ( he had once solo'd to Hawaii). Their boat was keeled by a rich guy's boat in Tonga, and when they called back home for money wire, they found out their trip money had all been spent by wife's daughter and hubby who had been left as trustees while they were on trip, leaving them financially stranded. They had to ask a friend for their fares back home. Their boat was eventually repaired by the rich guy who hit it, but he had to make paying for the boat being shipped back a part of employment package when he went back to work. He was good enough that he got that.

He and his wife lived on the boat for a while (he bought it cheap because it had been an abandoned drug runner's boat), but they retired in Arizona far from any coasts. Guess they had enough.

I guess you get more adventures than bargained for when you do things like this. Not my cup of tea.
63   casandra   2023 Apr 21, 3:42pm  

I agree RETIRE as soon as you can: Nobody in the history of the planet ever said on their death bed I wished I would have worked more.

Oh, Ive had my share of boats in my lifetime and I can tell you the day you sell it is a BETTER day than the day you bought it.
64   Onvacation   2023 Apr 21, 5:02pm  

joshuatrio says

My son graduates high school in 3 years, so the goal is to have a sail boat by then. Either start out with the great loop or island hopping in the Caribbean.

A lot of people change their mind about going around the world after their first rough passage. Preparation and calmness get you through. Get a good boat and when you are ready to passage from Panama to Tahiti I'll crew for you and fly back. It's good to have an extra hand on a long passage.
Here is my brother in law's boat:

This is the kind of boat for going around the world. Though a fast catamaran would be fun too.
65   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 21, 5:12pm  

casandra says


Oh, Ive had my share of boats in my lifetime and I can tell you the day you sell it is a BETTER day than the day you bought it.

If it floats, flies, or F**ks, rent it by the hour.

If It Flies, Floats or Fucks - Kevin Bloody Wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3aZrS_rLqA

Right down to make your own Home brew.

I want a boat but know they're a huge maintenance cost and dock/storage expense, not to mention time. More so if they're on salt water under the sun and humidity.
66   Onvacation   2023 Apr 21, 5:34pm  

AmericanKulak says


I want a boat but know they're a huge maintenance cost and dock/storage expense, not to mention time. More so if they're on salt water under the sun and humidity.

So True.

But you got to spend your money on something.

this boat is NOT meant for going around the world.
67   Ceffer   2023 Apr 21, 5:37pm  

People in early retirement put their names up in ads to crew other people's boats to various destinations. They have income already, can do work and maintenance (which they would be doing anyway with their own boats), and get the ride and the experience. They can also hop off somewhere and catch a plane back. I think I would rather do something like that.
68   clambo   2023 Apr 21, 5:59pm  

l like sailing but I'm never crossing any ocean in a sailboat.
69   Onvacation   2023 Apr 21, 6:50pm  

Ceffer says


get the ride and the experience. They can also hop off somewhere and catch a plane back.

And hope you don't get stuck with captain Bligh or pirates don't steal the boat and sell you into slavery.

Still, when joshuatrio gets his boat through the canal I will help him sail it to the South Pacific, but I'm getting off before the Philippines.
clambo says


l like sailing but I'm never crossing any ocean in a sailboat.

A good boat with modern navigation equipment and a good weather window can easily make most passages. It's hard to avoid rough weather. Sail long enough and sooner or later a storm will come up that will make you believe in God and ask for his mercy.
70   WookieMan   2023 Apr 21, 7:57pm  

joshuatrio says

Either start out with the great loop or island hopping in the Caribbean.

I'm a Caribbean guy having been to the lower 48 already, but the loop is a perfect way to see the states, history, etc. if that's your thing. I think parts of the US are overrated. The Caribbean if you know where to go is a blast. Cruise ships being active is annoying, but with a boat you get to go where you want in quieter spots (private).

St. John, USVI is my favorite. Would like to explore Puerto Rico more for future tax savings. The hurricane thing is the only thing that freaks me out down there. We've lucked out in October/November when the prices are the cheapest. Off season, so not everything is open is the only issue.

If your time is free, I'd hit the Caribbean November to May and sail further south to Aruba area before hurricanes hit. Still a touch of a risk, but usually hurricane don't hit that far South. Then just sail up the Lesser Antilles as hurricane season ends. A Caribbean loop so to speak.
71   clambo   2023 Apr 22, 7:40am  

I was with my friend who works in a nursing home doing something.
She told me that the significant age is 70.
She's seen so many people develop problems at that age that she wants to retire early enough to be able to travel.
My 65 year old neighbor had strange hallucinations one morning; it was a mini stroke.
My friend in Santa Cruz felt strange, and found out he had tachycardia. It was cured by a procedure which was scary and he's fixed.
72   BayArea   2023 Apr 22, 9:32am  

I’m 42yrs old and killing myself in the tech industry.

I find this post very interesting and thank you to some of you older guys for sharing.
73   mell   2023 Apr 22, 10:03am  

BayArea says

I’m 42yrs old and killing myself in the tech industry.

I find this post very interesting and thank you to some of you older guys for sharing.

Did you go fully remote already? Highly recommend

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