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True:

https://www.amren.com/news/2022/09/san-francisco-bicycle-coalition-says-not-to-call-police-about-stolen-bikes-because-it-hurts-black-and-brown-people/

Patrick says

True:

https://www.amren.com/news/2022/09/san-francisco-bicycle-coalition-says-not-to-call-police-about-stolen-bikes-because-it-hurts-black-and-brown-people/

This is what is wrong with Libtardia in one simple concept ppl can easily grasp.

MolotovCocktail says

This is what is wrong with Libtardia in one simple concept ppl can easily grasp.

Libtard here.. and. Yup it's true.

People have a misguided narrative in their minds about police enforcement, crime, and race. And it leads to wrong policy decisions.

People create a narrative that police enforcement is unequally distributed, and singles out black people for enforcement, so that the disproportionalities in crime stats are CAUSED by policing. But it's not true. You can convince yourself by looking at FBI crime stats, and checking closure rates. For homicides, the FBI crime stats clearly show that most cases where victims and perp are both known, the murders are within race. You can also see that case closure rates for black victims is lower than white victims. So it isn't true that police are selectively catching the black murderers of black or white victims. And it isn't true that selective policing is the cause of the higher black murder stats. BUT people believe it is true anyway, and that leads to defund the police and other counter productive policies. That narrative is wrong.

I think law enforcement should apply in all neighborhoods ...

Also, it is interesting to compare the crime stats for immigrant people by race and compare it to born in us stats by race. That's another way that shows selective policing is not the main driver. It points to a problem that isn't even tied to skin color, but is tied to a specific sub community.

My take is that slave-descended people never fully integrated into society, while more recent black immigrants from Africa did. I'm not sure how to fix this problem though.

DeficitHawk says

My take is that slave-descended people never fully integrated into society, while more recent black immigrants from Africa did. I'm not sure how to fix this problem though.

Send them back to Africa? If it's so awful and racist here, do one of those DNA tests to figure out where you're from and go back there. Why would anyone stay in a place they feel oppressed? Just move. Hell, the fact is your own sent you here and other places to make money. If given an opportunity and it's legal, I'll take that opportunity. Blame the people back home generally in Africa.

WookieMan says

Send them back to Africa?

I mean a constitutionally compliant way. People can leave if they want, but no one can be forced.

You could definitely say to any convicted criminal: "Hey, if you secure citizenship of another country, renounce your citizenship of USA and agree to move with an understanding that you won't be granted a visa to visit, we will give you $50,000 parting gift."

Maybe some would take it. Maybe you could open that offer to everyone in the country, and let anyone who doesn't want to be here leave.

Maybe some would take it. I don't know.

I'm more interested in understanding why that group didn't melt into the melting pot, and understand if that can be changed.

DeficitHawk says

I'm more interested in understanding why that group didn't melt into the melting pot, and understand if that can be changed.

It's simple. They think they are victims of something they didn't experience. Slavery. They actually did melt into the pot when there was manufacturing. It wasn't racism, it was trying to profit from corporations that ruined the black community. Money. Steel mills alone lost 100's of thousands of black jobs.

The modern black keeps going back to slavery though as an excuse. It was bad. It's over though and has been for over 150 years. While I respect the civil rights movement, they would have better off fighting for jobs. They lost focus on bathrooms and black only x,y,z. The white corporatist were just like fuck this noise, we'll get employees elsewhere and for cheaper. They'll have yellow skin. Blacks fought for the wrong thing.

Until there is a black civil war against each other, things won't change. Brits fought against Brits in the Revolutionary war. American whites agains mostly whites in the Civil war. As a white person, I can't change this. Blacks need to figure it out or get out. Brutal, but honest.

That explanation doesn't make sense to me. Manufacturing jobs were not just for black people. Loss of manufacturing jobs doesn't explain why one group of people didn't melt in the melting pot.

Patrick says

What do the elite have to lose by admitting that black crime is a huge problem?

Ah, they would lose their base of support.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/an-aristocracy-of-donkeys

the aristocrat’s inherent prejudice and elitism is spun into virtue through systems of philanthropath favoritism to buy alliance.

offer such a group free stuff and expansive privilege, render them also protected but unbound, and they will support you as your vassals.

this is, in effect, a mercenary army of dependents purchased with the very rights and the property of builders it will be used to keep in line and disenfranchised.

the whole of this ideology is rooted in inequity.

when you steal or break the law, it’s a crime, when their voter clients do, it’s not.

So black people are allowed to rape, rob, and murder whites and Asians so that blacks will support the elite Democrats. This gives that elite protection from the whites and Asians who question elite power.

They already agree it's a problem. They just misattribute the root cause of the problem to systemic racism in policing and other externally applied racism factors to 'excuse' the problem behaviors... "It's not their fault, society made them do it" . So they come up with misguided solutions like defund the police.

It would be better to understand why they didn't melt into the melting pot like everyone else and try to fix that.

DeficitHawk says

It would be better to understand why they didn't melt into the melting pot like everyone else and try to fix that.

Segregation? When a group is kept separate, they cannot blend in and thus from their own separate society. Separate schools, theaters, sports teams, banks, and events like Black Miss America. Maybe the lingering non-melting is more from segregation than from slavery.

HeadSet says

Segregation? When a group is kept separate, they cannot blend in and thus from their own separate society

Yeah, that's likely part of it. Until the late 60s, they basically weren't allowed to melt in. Between segregation, and Jim crow, etc

The biggest barriers for melting have been dismantled, but it's not clear whether the melting is happening or not. Plenty of people are still alive who would remember the 60's... Maybe it takes more time.

I don't really know what the solution is. I don't think race based forced deportation/banishment is the answer. I don't think "defund the police" is the answer.

DeficitHawk says

WookieMan says

Send them back to Africa?

I mean a constitutionally compliant way. People can leave if they want, but no one can be forced.

You could definitely say to any convicted criminal: "Hey, if you secure citizenship of another country, renounce your citizenship of USA and agree to move with an understanding that you won't be granted a visa to visit, we will give you $50,000 parting gift."

Maybe some would take it. Maybe you could open that offer to everyone in the country, and let anyone who doesn't want to be here leave.

Maybe some would take it. I don't know.

I'm more interested in understanding why that group didn't melt into the melting pot, and understand if that can be changed.

Good God Libby (that’s what you called yourself btw), let them in for free. Pay them if the “want” to leave. This is libtard thinking.

DeficitHawk says

They already agree it's a problem. They just misattribute the root cause of the problem to systemic racism in policing and other externally applied racism factors to 'excuse' the problem behaviors... "It's not their fault, society made them do it" . So they come up with misguided solutions like defund the police.

It would be better to understand why they didn't melt into the melting pot like everyone else and try to fix that.

You will never get it. You think you can fix humanity. Diversity will not work. Ever.

Glock-n-Load says

Good God Libby (that’s what you called yourself btw), let them in for free. Pay them if the “want” to leave. This is libtard thinking.

I don't really understand what you are saying.

Are you proposing race based forced banishment of citizens to other countries as the solution to crime?

I am a Libby because I don't think that's the right answer

DeficitHawk says

The biggest barriers for melting have been dismantled

The biggest barrier to black assimilation is their continuous violent assaults on everyone else, and each other.

No one wants to live anywhere near that kind of violence.

Black Violence Matters!

So, Patrick, do you have a policy proposal to fix it?

DeficitHawk says

So, Patrick, do you have a policy proposal to fix it?

Let Good God-fearing black people call out the criminal element and disavow them.

Kind of like in Monty Python, "Bring out your niggers . . . "

To me, the default option is to apply law enforcement uniformly regardless of race, and wait for the melting pot effect to work

I'm asking if anyone has ideas to accelerate the melting pot effect.

stereotomy says

Let Good God-fearing black people call out the criminal element and disavow them.

How would you propose to make this happen more than it does today?

Patrick says

So black people are allowed to rape, rob, and murder whites and Asians so that blacks will support the elite Democrats

We had most of the right answer in the 90s and 2000s before Obama.

Three strikes, the third felony in a short time = prison for at least a decade or so, get them off the street.

Now it's the opposite, like the crazed stabber who was arrested, what, 12 times? Several were felonies.

Obama used Broward County Schools as the model now prevalent in all Blue Hells: Don't bother with misdemeanors, 'creative' punishments for felonies downgraded to misdemeanors (community service bullshit, anger management, coun$eling by gov-paid NGOs, etc.) , no bail.

It's not just 2nd chances, it's that it takes like 3 felonies and a dozen ignored misdemeanors before criminals get a 2nd chance for the 3rd felony they actually got arrested for

Broken Window > 2nd Chances

DeficitHawk says

To me, the default option is to apply law enforcement uniformly regardless of race, and wait for the melting pot effect to work

I'm asking if anyone has ideas to accelerate the melting pot effect.

stereotomy says

Let Good God-fearing black people call out the criminal element and disavow them.

How would you propose to make this happen more than it does today?

What do you mean by “uniformily”? Continue to ignore race?

Glock-n-Load says

What do you mean by “uniformily”?

In all neighborhoods, without regard for race.

Glock-n-Load says

Diversity will not work. Ever.

Multiple (suppressed) studies have shown exactly this.

DeficitHawk says

Glock-n-Load says

What do you mean by “uniformily”?

In all neighborhoods, without regard for race.

Regardless of where the crime is?

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Three strikes, the third felony in a short time = prison for at least a decade or so, get them off the street.

It's reasonable to do this, but I don't think it solves the root of the problem. It gets criminals off the street after they commit multiple crimes. It does not prevent new criminals from forming.

Treating the symptoms is a must, I agree. But what will fix the root cause?

Robert Sproul says

Glock-n-Load says

Diversity will not work. Ever.

Multiple (suppressed) studies have shown exactly this.

Oh come on. No one worries about crime from indians or Asians. They have different backgrounds and skin color. It's not diversity that causes the problem. The problem a subset of the population that isn't melting in, and runs a parallel society that doesn't adhere to the same values as the rest of society

Glock-n-Load says

Regardless of where the crime is?

Not regardless of where crime is.

I mean don't try to use race as a reason to under patrol areas with black people, based on a misguided belief that policing is harmful to those communities.

Patrick says

For the most part though, they're killing other blacks. Sucks for humanity as it's sick, but at some point blacks need to drop the culture bull shit. Grow up, pull your pants up, mainly be a good dad and raise your kids not to be thugs.

I have 5-1/2 years left of my parental responsibility. No issues. Good grades. Good athletes. I have one massive flaw and that didn't prevent me from being a good dad. Black men have to want kids, not just fuck and run. The problem is they didn't have dads so they don't know what they're doing. And the cycle keeps going of crime and fatherless boys. And moms need to tell their daughters to shut their vagina.

Having worked on the south and west side of Chicago I've seen it all. Not going to rant about it, but I had clients call the police before on tenants for parenting and landlord for condition of property. Black neighborhoods.

DeficitHawk says

Robert Sproul says

Glock-n-Load says

Diversity will not work. Ever.

Multiple (suppressed) studies have shown exactly this.

Oh come on. No one worries about crime from indians or Asians. They have different backgrounds and skin color. It's not diversity that causes the problem. The problem a subset of the population that isn't melting in, and runs a parallel society that doesn't adhere to the same values as the rest of society

That’s any culture from outside. Point is pot isn’t melting, it’s just replacing. Bring in million Indians, it’ll become India. Our self serving corporations do exactly that.

Not sure if this is real data.

KgK one says

Not sure if this is real data.

Probably correct. However, there was a modifier of "men" that was added. It's usually left out for stats dealing with Black crime.

Misc says

KgK one says

Not sure if this is real data.

Probably correct. However, there was a modifier of "men" that was added. It's usually left out for stats dealing with Black crime.

Also, how many of them are "White Hispanics."

https://x.com/bumbadum14/status/1978207229406036241

The reason why this type of behavior happens all the time is because in 2014 Obama threatened to nuke any school in the country that called the police on black criminal behavior.

They called it the "school to prison pipeline" and his admin threatened to not only force the DOE to withdraw funding from any school that had black kids being apprehended by police but also file title IV and VI suits against them.

I watched the effect of these policies first hand, by the time I was a senior in HS I personally witnessed stabbings, beatings, drug deals, white kids getting jumped in the hallway, and much more all in a "good school".

I think one of the most horrifying things I witnessed was my junior year where a girl had her head repeatedly slammed into a locker by a black kid and was rolled out of the school on a stretcher. The black who did that was back in class 3 days later.

One of my friends' mom was in the admin and she told my mom that they couldn't report the latest fight to the police because if they did and the kid was arrested and sent to juvi then the school would likely lose their funding.

Most schools STILL TO THIS DAY operate like this even with Trump in office and a new DOE because all the local admin is used to it now.

They wont enforce against blacks because it's now been a decade of the threat, even if it isn't credible anymore, that the school will be obliterated if they dare call the police on a black kid.