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Has anyone else noticed that airplanes are flying shallower departure paths than pre-covid?
2023 May 24, 4:46pm 3,602 views 39 comments
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HeadSet
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2023 May 24, 5:29pm
HeadSet
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2023 May 24, 5:29pm
stereotomy says
Sounds like they switched from Vx (best angle of climb) to Vy (best rate of climb). That would get them to altitude faster, but over more ground distance with the shallower angle so they would be lower passing over your house. Vy is preferred but Vx is used if some obstacle must be cleared. Maybe an obstacle has been removed or noise abatement standards have been lifted for "quieter engines." Interesting take on the clot shot, since Vy does have a slightly better buffer over a stall. But then, a plane properly trimmed for takeoff is an easy handover from one pilot to the next.
I suspect that the airlines are doing this so that in case a pilot keels over mid-departure because of clot shot damage, there's enough time for the copilot to recover, since the shallower departure angle means that the airplane is getting much more lift and can possibly "coast" a little with significantly less possibility of a stall.
Sounds like they switched from Vx (best angle of climb) to Vy (best rate of climb). That would get them to altitude faster, but over more ground distance with the shallower angle so they would be lower passing over your house. Vy is preferred but Vx is used if some obstacle must be cleared. Maybe an obstacle has been removed or noise abatement standards have been lifted for "quieter engines." Interesting take on the clot shot, since Vy does have a slightly better buffer over a stall. But then, a plane properly trimmed for takeoff is an easy handover from one pilot to the next.
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B.A.C.A.H.
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2023 May 24, 5:38pm
B.A.C.A.H.
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2023 May 24, 5:38pm
Best rate of climb is more efficient than best angle (less fuel burned). Cheaper. Yet another tidbit of our incredibly shrinking standard of living.
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1337irr
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2023 May 24, 5:38pm
1337irr
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2023 May 24, 5:38pm
I would also add there are a lot of checklists and redundancies for airline pilots these days.
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Eric_Holder
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2023 May 24, 6:33pm
Eric_Holder
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2023 May 24, 6:33pm
Airplanes became so quiet I'm starting to miss the sound. Especially the sound of turboprops.
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GNL
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2023 May 24, 7:55pm
GNL
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2023 May 24, 7:55pm
Seems like a monumental stretch.
I still do not know of anyone harmed by the jab. Certainly no one under the age of 70+.
I still do not know of anyone harmed by the jab. Certainly no one under the age of 70+.
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HeadSet
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2023 May 24, 8:07pm
HeadSet
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2023 May 24, 8:07pm
Eric Holder says
Will you miss the ear busting sound of Harleys when motorcycles go all electric?
Airplanes became so quiet I'm starting to miss the sound. Especially the sound of turboprops.
Will you miss the ear busting sound of Harleys when motorcycles go all electric?
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WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 2:45am
WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 2:45am
HeadSet says
Harleys can eat shit and start on fire. Fucking small penis syndrome. Any loud motorcycle. They're a fucking nuisance. God they fucking piss me off.
With regards to the planes. 200' AGL would be pretty damn low over a building. My home airport MDW that's for sure possible or maybe San Diego, but I think they take off toward the Pacific because of the hill to the East.
Headset would know the most on this. BACAH is probably right as well. Getting to cruising altitude quicker so you burn less fuel is going to be cheaper. Climb as fast as you can within specifications of said plane. Staying lower in an urban setting as well is probably the worst thing you can do where you have zero possible emergency landing locations in the first couple minutes besides buildings. Sully was lucky to get it in the Hudson. Could have been buildings.
Eric Holder says
Airplanes became so quiet I'm starting to miss the sound. Especially the sound of turboprops.
Will you miss the ear busting sound of Harleys when motorcycles go all electric?
Harleys can eat shit and start on fire. Fucking small penis syndrome. Any loud motorcycle. They're a fucking nuisance. God they fucking piss me off.
With regards to the planes. 200' AGL would be pretty damn low over a building. My home airport MDW that's for sure possible or maybe San Diego, but I think they take off toward the Pacific because of the hill to the East.
Headset would know the most on this. BACAH is probably right as well. Getting to cruising altitude quicker so you burn less fuel is going to be cheaper. Climb as fast as you can within specifications of said plane. Staying lower in an urban setting as well is probably the worst thing you can do where you have zero possible emergency landing locations in the first couple minutes besides buildings. Sully was lucky to get it in the Hudson. Could have been buildings.
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WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 3:03am
WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 3:03am
GNL says
Harmed or dead? I know many people, mainly female that were harmed. I think it messes with females more. My SIL had 2 miscarriages. My wife had issues for 4 months straight. Red tide.... I've heard other stories from friends. I don't know any guys that have had issues though and no sudden deaths or anything.
I recall what you do for a living. You might not be surrounded by that many people that were forced to take the jab for employment. Although I guess I'm probably the only pure blood in our group of close friends. I did the best when I got covid at the same time as other vaccinated people we were with. Either way it's not worth taking and my kids will NEVER take it.
I still do not know of anyone harmed by the jab. Certainly no one under the age of 70+.
Harmed or dead? I know many people, mainly female that were harmed. I think it messes with females more. My SIL had 2 miscarriages. My wife had issues for 4 months straight. Red tide.... I've heard other stories from friends. I don't know any guys that have had issues though and no sudden deaths or anything.
I recall what you do for a living. You might not be surrounded by that many people that were forced to take the jab for employment. Although I guess I'm probably the only pure blood in our group of close friends. I did the best when I got covid at the same time as other vaccinated people we were with. Either way it's not worth taking and my kids will NEVER take it.
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GNL
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2023 May 25, 5:20am
GNL
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2023 May 25, 5:20am
WookieMan says
Could be true. I don't think any brokers forced their agents to get the jab. Funny enough though, I had a new agent use me this week. She's still wearing a mask.
You might not be surrounded by that many people that were forced to take the jab for employment.
Could be true. I don't think any brokers forced their agents to get the jab. Funny enough though, I had a new agent use me this week. She's still wearing a mask.
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WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 5:29am
WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 5:29am
GNL says
Yeah, unless they're W-2 employees like a secretary at the office, I don't think it can be forced on independent contractors. I'm out of the game for 5 years now and never developed relationships with brokers that became friends, so I could be talking out my arse on covid with regards to RE. Besides women, I'd bet most men RE brokers are unvaccinated for covid. Unless they're married to a nurse or something similar. Nurses are the worst... even though most have gotten covid 3 times by now. They're not dead. This whole thing has been a load of shit either way.
WookieMan says
You might not be surrounded by that many people that were forced to take the jab for employment.
Could be true. I don't think any brokers forced their agents to get the jab. Funny enough though, I had a new agent use me this week. She's still wearing a mask.
Yeah, unless they're W-2 employees like a secretary at the office, I don't think it can be forced on independent contractors. I'm out of the game for 5 years now and never developed relationships with brokers that became friends, so I could be talking out my arse on covid with regards to RE. Besides women, I'd bet most men RE brokers are unvaccinated for covid. Unless they're married to a nurse or something similar. Nurses are the worst... even though most have gotten covid 3 times by now. They're not dead. This whole thing has been a load of shit either way.
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Tenpoundbass
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2023 May 25, 5:57am
Tenpoundbass
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2023 May 25, 5:57am
I have noticed the Jets are a lot quieter these days than they used to be..
While I don't live under the take off or landing path, I am in the approach and departure path depending on where the planes are coming or going. They are probably 3 to 10k' over head by time they fly over. The engines used to be loud enough even at that altitude, that the noise could be heard from inside. Outside you would have really speak up. Even the jets that make chemtrails, I used to remember jets that high, still gave off the roar of a jet way off in the distance.. Just not as loud. .Now they pass overhead in complete silence when they are that high up. The jets that fly over my house at lower are barely noticeable, especially inside. Also when I have taken the kids plane watching outside the airport fence, the low flying planes aren't as deafening when they are just overhead near the runway fence.
While I don't live under the take off or landing path, I am in the approach and departure path depending on where the planes are coming or going. They are probably 3 to 10k' over head by time they fly over. The engines used to be loud enough even at that altitude, that the noise could be heard from inside. Outside you would have really speak up. Even the jets that make chemtrails, I used to remember jets that high, still gave off the roar of a jet way off in the distance.. Just not as loud. .Now they pass overhead in complete silence when they are that high up. The jets that fly over my house at lower are barely noticeable, especially inside. Also when I have taken the kids plane watching outside the airport fence, the low flying planes aren't as deafening when they are just overhead near the runway fence.
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WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 6:28am
WookieMan
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2023 May 25, 6:28am
Tenpoundbass says
They're still loud. I'm a bit west of a 9 approach and some of the business jets are rather loud still at probably 1-2k' AGL. No airlines fly in, but get the occasional 737 that the mechanics work on or testing for other stuff without doxxing myself. Only stayed in hotels by airports and I could not live that life outside of my random adult aviation fetish. Our train tracks are awful. No one has the god damn gumption to make our crossings horn free. I'll fix it though instead of bitching about it.
I have noticed the Jets are a lot quieter these days than they used to be..
While I don't live under the take off or landing path, I am in the approach and departure path depending on where the planes are coming or going.
They're still loud. I'm a bit west of a 9 approach and some of the business jets are rather loud still at probably 1-2k' AGL. No airlines fly in, but get the occasional 737 that the mechanics work on or testing for other stuff without doxxing myself. Only stayed in hotels by airports and I could not live that life outside of my random adult aviation fetish. Our train tracks are awful. No one has the god damn gumption to make our crossings horn free. I'll fix it though instead of bitching about it.
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Robert Sproul
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2023 May 25, 7:16am
B.A.C.A.H. says
I see this everywhere, business's using 'Covid' to finally deliver the customer 'service' that they always wanted to. PG$E, as an example, closed the last remaining office that you could actually walk into, pay a bill, and talk to a person. They also replaced the wooden architectural fencing around a sub-station in a residential area with some 18' concentration camp fencing topped with concertina wire.
The result of Home Land Security combined with Global Pandemic Safety is usually a big 'FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY.........SIR'
Best rate of climb is more efficient than best angle (less fuel burned). Cheaper. Yet another tidbit of our incredibly shrinking standard of living.
I see this everywhere, business's using 'Covid' to finally deliver the customer 'service' that they always wanted to. PG$E, as an example, closed the last remaining office that you could actually walk into, pay a bill, and talk to a person. They also replaced the wooden architectural fencing around a sub-station in a residential area with some 18' concentration camp fencing topped with concertina wire.
The result of Home Land Security combined with Global Pandemic Safety is usually a big 'FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY.........SIR'
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I'd notice that planes would use a steep departure angle to minimize noise, but now it seems like they are using as shallow a departure angle as possible. I swear that some planes are less than 200 feet above the ground as they pass above me - the airport is over 3 miles away.
I suspect that the airlines are doing this so that in case a pilot keels over mid-departure because of clot shot damage, there's enough time for the copilot to recover, since the shallower departure angle means that the airplane is getting much more lift and can possibly "coast" a little with significantly less possibility of a stall.
Probably no one else on PatNet is living in as low-rent housing as I am, but for those possibly in the know, are my suspicions somewhat justified? The FAA already effectively eliminated the arrhythmia standards for pilots' hearts. Is this just another step in the process of trying to keep as many heart-damaged pilots flying so that the airline industry doesn't collapse?