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RWSGFY
2023 Jun 27, 8:45am
RWSGFY
2023 Jun 27, 8:45am
NuttBoxer says
Except you don't really know they used that old crusty SOSUS and not something new and secret. THEY want you to believe it was SOSUS, but was it really? =))
It amazes me how many people on this forum do zero research and just spout opinion. Only time you'll ever see me quote NPR, but it's that fucking mainstream...
"The listening system the Navy used to register the noise is believed to be the Sound Surveillance System or SOSUS, according to information shared with NPR by a senior Navy official. SOSUS, an underwater cable system that has been in place for decades, is capable of detecting underwater anomalies that might indicate the presence of foreign submarines."
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy
And if you want MORE information on this highly secret tech opinion can't identify:
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm
Except you don't really know they used that old crusty SOSUS and not something new and secret. THEY want you to believe it was SOSUS, but was it really? =))
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Jun 27, 9:10am
Tenpoundbass says
I suspect the submersible went from everything being fine to completely obliterated in a fraction of a second. When carbon fiber fails it basically shatters. You're not going to have a period of seconds or minutes where water is flooding in. I would think the surface boat would have immediately know that the thing was gone.
What I thought stunk about the whole story. .
1) there's a support vehicle on top of the water..
2) The sub is tethered to the support Ship
3)We never heard one single word from or about the support ship.
4)I thought that at anytime in danger, the support ship could have reeled it back in.
Or to say the least it's sonar depth finder should have had an idea where it was or where it went.
I suspect the submersible went from everything being fine to completely obliterated in a fraction of a second. When carbon fiber fails it basically shatters. You're not going to have a period of seconds or minutes where water is flooding in. I would think the surface boat would have immediately know that the thing was gone.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 27, 9:35am
richwicks
2023 Jun 27, 9:35am
NuttBoxer says
I trust you're being sarcastic, because if it was "highly secret", we would have never heard ANYTHING from the Navy, much less have it reported on "the news".
It amazes me how many people on this forum do zero research and just spout opinion. Only time you'll ever see me quote NPR, but it's that fucking mainstream...
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https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy
And if you want MORE information on this highly secret tech opinion can't identify:
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm
I trust you're being sarcastic, because if it was "highly secret", we would have never heard ANYTHING from the Navy, much less have it reported on "the news".
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NuttBoxer
2023 Jun 27, 10:19am
NuttBoxer
2023 Jun 27, 10:19am
richwicks says
I didn't say anything about it being highly secret. That's inference, and has no support from what I know. No sarcasm, this is the simplest and most likely explanation.
I trust you're being sarcastic, because if it was "highly secret", we would have never heard ANYTHING from the Navy, much less have it reported on "the news".
I didn't say anything about it being highly secret. That's inference, and has no support from what I know. No sarcasm, this is the simplest and most likely explanation.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 27, 10:52am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 27, 10:52am
SunnyvaleCA says
I would suspect there was some creaking and weird noises. But I imagine that after a couple dives behind them and nothing serious coming out of the creaking, banging and popping noises. They probably learned to ignore them.
I suspect the submersible went from everything being fine to completely obliterated in a fraction of a second.
I would suspect there was some creaking and weird noises. But I imagine that after a couple dives behind them and nothing serious coming out of the creaking, banging and popping noises. They probably learned to ignore them.
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clambo
2023 Jun 27, 11:15am
RWSGFY,
If I have to make a free ascent because of equipment failure, I won't be breathing so I will be holding my breath even if I expel air on the way up.
If I have to make a free ascent because of equipment failure, I won't be breathing so I will be holding my breath even if I expel air on the way up.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 29, 7:58am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 29, 7:58am
Oceangate Titan: analysis of an insultingly predictable failure (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOVYkWgpcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOVYkWgpcM
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 29, 10:20am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 29, 10:20am
Carbon fiber, which has never been used in deep sea exploration vehicles, is joined with Titanium, which is held together by a 2" wide bead of glue, and nothing else. What could possibly go wrong?
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I'm a little annoyed by guys like Cameron saying that he expected the Titan to be destroyed and that the CEO was a kook.
There was likely a design flaw that caused the materials to fail after several dives, which might have been expected.
Another guy who is a gazillionaire from Texas has a submersible which cost him $50 million. It was designed by a company in Florida. He sent it to St. Petersburg Russia for extreme depth testing. It's gone the deepest and it's a sphere of titanium but it's a monster and holds 2.
Gazillionaire guys like him and Cameron hate guys trying to make innovative solutions to an engineering problem without spending $50 million bucks.
I think that Stockton Rush made errors, but it might have been inevitable. Maybe you can't make a safe submersible that isn't a steel sphere.
Remember that the NASA Space Shuttle had a fatal design flaw; the vehicle should be on top of the rocket, not next to it. NASA had a gigantic budget with countless engineers.
Edit: Evidently Stockton Rush is a kook; but I still dislike Cameron, and I'm never watching Avatar.