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richwicks says

I wouldn't even say the holocaust was a major thing in ACTUAL history, but the Inquisition was. There wasn't a program to systematically kill Jews in Nazi Germany, but there was a systemic goal of removing them from society.

What about the +5 million Jews who died in Nazi concentration and forced labor camps ? Yes, an equal amount of non Jewish people died in those camps also.

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ad says

What about the +5 million Jews who died in Nazi concentration and forced labor camps ?

It was nowhere close to 5 million.

Plenty were killed, those that died, most of them died from complications of starvation due to the Allies cutting off supply lines. Also, I don't know why they were called forced labor camps - they were slave labor camps. We don't know how many people died, but 5 million would have wiped all nearly all Jews of Europe at that time.

ad says

Yes, an equal amount of non Jewish people died in those camps also.

I don't think there is any way of saying honestly. WWII was brutal, all war is. War is stupid and nonproductive, that's why we need to be lied into wars every time. It has its place, but extremely rarely. The only war the US has been involved in that was worth fighting was the revolutionary war, and then we had presidents betray us. We should be enemies with England, and allies with Europe and Russia.

richwicks says

What about the +5 million Jews who died in Nazi concentration and forced labor camps ?

It was nowhere close to 5 million.

Plenty were killed, those that died, most of them died from complications of starvation due to the Allies cutting off supply lines. Also, I don't know why they were called forced labor camps - they were slave labor camps. We don't know how many people died, but 5 million would have wiped all nearly all Jews of Europe at that time.

^^^^THIS

When the Soviet Union fell in the early 1990's, historians and archivists were provided access to all the NAZI records that were captured at the end of WWII. Based on examination of these records, the death toll was no more than 2 million. As @Richwicks points out, all the pics of emaciated corpses were the result of the allies cutting supply lines (food, etc.) to the munition camps in which the prisoners were working.

Both the Nazis and the Soviets had known jews in high-ranking positions during the war. The difference between who held power and who scrabbled around in KZ camps is how useful they were to their respective regimes.

ad says

What about the +5 million Jews who died in Nazi concentration and forced labor camps ? Yes, an equal amount of non Jewish people died in those camps also.

stereotomy says

Based on examination of these records, the death toll was no more than 2 million

I'd say 2-3M is about right, most of that 1943-1945, with maybe half a million in the first 6 months of Barbarossa esp. in the Baltic States.

The Russian POWs were at least a million, we'll never really know.

We do know the execution of Polish VIPs/Educated is at least 100,000; about 10,000 just in the last few months of 1939, and there are records and witnesses.

One Genocide that never gets any mention is in East Pakistan/Bangladesh in the early 70s.

Stalin had decades.
Hitler had years.
Karachi and the West Paki Generals had a few months.

I think the death toll out there is at least 300k, highest is 3M. 1M in 6-8 months is impressive, especially since they didn't plan or build any labor or concentration camps in advance.

The Algerians also murdered a thousand people in the town of Oran in the waning weeks of the French Occupation, with DeGaulle ordering French Troops not to intervene.

Is the rioting in France over yet?

GNL says

Is the rioting in France over yet?

Yup, it never lasts too long. Looting sort of loses its appeal after a while and people get tired

BayArea says

GNL says

Is the rioting in France over yet?

Yup, it never lasts too long. Looting sort of loses its appeal after a while and people get tired

Rioting is work........

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Article about how western Europe, particularly France, has become poorer...

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/europeans-poorer-inflation-economy-255eb629

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I think it's too late for France.

Patrick says

I think it's too late for France.

NY Times article today: "Since 2004, middle and high-school students in France have been barred from wearing “ostentatious” symbols that have a clear religious meaning, like a Catholic cross, a Jewish skullcap or a Muslim head scarf. Since 2011, it has also been illegal to wear a face-covering veil in public in France. French people broadly agree with those rules."

With 51% of the population reportedly not associated with any religion, I can see why this is being pushed. There are not enough vocal white liberals (i.e., Portland AntiFa types) to cause a stir with this.



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Patrick says

I don't think this should be banned but France isn't my nation.

I really don't see much purpose of protests anyhow.

Vusegrad24 posts all kinds of bullshit. I actually blocked him over his Ukraine lies.

GasTheYoungTurks says

Vusegrad24 posts all kinds of bullshit.

its not bullshit, its true, boy

https://apnews.com/article/france-israel-palestinians-war-protests-banned-5626bafec480b32226dcb97d0c92a553

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GasTheYoungTurks says

ad says

GasTheYoungTurks says

Vusegrad24 posts all kinds of bullshit.

its not bullshit, its true, boy

https://apnews.com/article/france-israel-palestinians-war-protests-banned-5626bafec480b32226dcb97d0c92a553

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So? You seem to not know how to read.

Go back and read what I said.

It's all true.

This is what you wrote: 'Vusegrad24 posts all kinds of bullshit. I actually blocked him over his Ukraine lies."

What else did I not understand, boy ?

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ad says

This is what you wrote: 'Vusegrad24 posts all kinds of bullshit. I actually blocked him over his Ukraine lies."

What else did I not understand, boy ?

Yeah. A true statement, girl. Not my fault you aren't comprehending what you read before you

Patrick says

yep, France could be a major political battleground where egalitarianism trumps western-style wokeism

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