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Booger says

“A lot of these sites are a bait and switch,” Caplan said. “They offer some interesting content, but what they’re really after is your DNA.”

I tried to tell people that but I guess I wasn't New York University professor enough to be listened to. Oh well. I do wonder if it would be some benefit in a distant future wherein some madman wants to create an amusement park with our DNA.

When the Rockefellers have earmarked your DNA for organ harvesting. Just pray you aren't a good match for some oligarch spawn.

I'm in the DNA business but in biotech HIIPA does apply. I had a friend dying of cancer come through our place once and when leaving tried to give me his ID number and I was like, "Nah nah nah, I can't hear you, I can't know that, I'll get fired!".

Sadly, he ended up dying.

They have my full genome too but at any time I can call them up and tell them to delete my data. I'm thinking more and more about doing so these days too unfortunately b/c of crap like what booger posted.

How valuable is this DNA data as far as selling it for unscrupulous or nefarious reasons ?

I would have no idea. I don't associate myself with such people.

Does anybody think with all that the democidal Globalists have done already, that any of them give a shit about HIPAA?

I'm really not sure anymore. If they do they probably won't for much longer.

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How valuable is this DNA data as far as selling it for unscrupulous or nefarious reasons ?

It's data. ANY kind of data has some value in my opinion if it can be stored, searched, sorted, manipulated to find out trends in all sorts of business and industries. With DNA I have zero clue as JTP says. As long as they don't sell it or give away that data.

Ancestry.com is a business. They can make money off it just operating it as usual. It has more uses than just looking up your family or sending in DNA. We kept a subscription at the brokerage because Chicago does a shit job of tracking how many dwelling units are in a building. The difference between a 4 unit and 5 unit in Chicago is weird. Because 5+ units you're in commercial loan territory, OPM, or other various financing arrangements. 4 or less is Fannie and Freddie just like your house. Basically investors AND people that can get conventional financing. Bigger buyer pool.

We'd get listings for buildings that we weren't sure if it was a true 5 or a 4. The 4 is actually more valuable most the time. City website would list it as a 5 but was clearly a 4. 1895 build or something that, we'd go back and search the census records on Ancestry. Submit it to the city and it's now a 4 unit. The data they have beyond DNA is super valuable.

just_passing_through says

They have my full genome too but at any time I can call them up and tell them to delete my data. I'm thinking more and more about doing so these days too unfortunately b/c of crap like what booger posted.

Haha, delete it?

I am in Silly Con valley. They don't delete anything. You can request whatever you want.

I'm dumbfounded that you still think these companies follow your requests. They are information retrieval services. They will never delete anything.

Everything I type, everything I speak, everything I hear, will fit on 1/10th of an $11 SD card in a year. $1.00 or so. do you think they delete anything? Why? People just don't understand where we are in technology. I can replace your entire DVD collection (or anybody's) with a $50 SD Card. I can replace your entire library (or anybody's library) for $5.

You don't know where we're at. Everything I've ever read, or written fits comfortably on a flash drive.

Nothing is deleted, it's not worth the effort. Why bother? Space is unlimited.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/10/ancestry-police-warrant-dna-database/

Ancestry says it fought two police requests to search its DNA database

It’s not the first time Ancestry has pushed back against a legal demand. Last year the company said it rejected an out-of-state search warrant, ordered by a court in Pennsylvania, to “seek access” to its DNA database on the grounds that the warrant was “improperly served.”

Ancestry has only complied with one search warrant for DNA data from a database it acquired and later made public, not realizing that police would use the database to search for leads.

It’s not uncommon for companies with large amounts of customer data to frequently receive law enforcement demands for user data — or for companies to publish periodic transparency reports that detail the number of legal demands they receive.

To its credit, Ancestry is one of only two DNA profiling sites that publishes a transparency report. 23andMe also publishes the number of data demands it receives each quarter, but to date has not released any customer data to law enforcement. FamilyDNA said over a year ago that it was “working on publishing” a transparency report.

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To its credit, Ancestry is one of only two DNA profiling sites that publishes a transparency report. 23andMe also publishes the number of data demands it receives each quarter, but to date has not released any customer data to law enforcement.

They will protect a murderer, but they won't protect us.

Don't you understand? They are intelligence.

They don't give a shit about protecting the public, their job is to exploit the sheeple.

Our technology can be used for the good of humanity, but it's not used that way. Let's say there's an assault by a person, if you wanted to track them down, you could check the GPS location of their phone, you can use the Ring doorbells to identify them and record the crime, it's trivial to track the perpetrator. That's not done but we have the technology. We can basically end crime, but there's no effort to do it.

We have high resolution video on $100 smart phones, you see crimes all the time, we have facial recognition, but criminals aren't stopped although it's TRIVIAL to identify them. Our government works to create chaos. If I had known this 30 years ago, I would have gone into a different field. We have all the tools now, yet, our government doesn't use them.

Even ignoring AI, how hard is it to post "this person robbed this store at this time, here's a high resolution image of the perpetrator, please turn him in" - that doesn't even show up on the local news, and the news, can be extremely local now.

richwicks says

We have high resolution video on $100 smart phones, you see crimes all the time, we have facial recognition, but criminals aren't stopped although it's TRIVIAL to identify them

Around here, that is caused by sheer incompetence. City IT staff are arrogant and ignorant while prosecutors are shamelessly unprepared when they go to court. When I sent in a drivecam or lot video, I could count on the city IT staff being unable to put it on a court computer, so I learned to show up in court to do it for them. One case was where a guy robbed a bank and used a taxi as a getaway vehicle. I sent the video and GPS info to the prosecutor a week before the court date. Knowing that they would f it up, I went to court personally. The prosecutor was a 28-year-old babe who came up to me when I walked into the courtroom with tears in her eyes. She told me the IT staff locked up the laptop and she could not use it, and did not make a backup like I suggested, so with no evidence the guy will likely walk. I reached into my shirt pocket and pulled out a thumb drive. What was funny is that she then clasped my hands and loudly said "I love you." People turned to look at what appeared to be a rom-com moment. I just laughed and she was slightly embarrassed. Even funnier was watching the smirks disappear from the perp and his attorney when I played the video. Luckily the judge had a full AV setup in his courtroom, probably because he knew how sloppy the attorneys are.

richwicks says

Haha, delete it?

I am in Silly Con valley. They don't delete anything. You can request whatever you want.

Yes they do. I used to do the deleting myself when I worked there and am good friends with the current person who does the deleting now. Paranoid much?

Maybe you missed the part about it being under HIIPA?

What the hell is HIIPA?

komputodo says

What the hell is HIIPA?

Like I said, with all the atrocities already inflicted, lawfare, democide, selective justice, non-justice, deputizing of criminals, deputizing of medicine, medical personnel, and doctors AGAINST the people, complete bastardization of science and medical journals, capture of CDC, FDA et alia, they really give a flying fuck about HIPAA?

By the way, Kaiser literally asked me to sign a document waiving HIPAA, like it was no big deal. That way, I suppose, the Kaiser AI could continue to analyze me and sell my data to whomever.

HeadSet says

Around here, that is caused by sheer incompetence.

Read your whole story, are you SURE it's incompetence?

There's the saying, never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity? I think stupidity is a shield. I see this done all the time.

just_passing_through says

Yes they do. I used to do the deleting myself when I worked there and am good friends with the current person who does the deleting now. Paranoid much?

No, I'm not paranoid. There's backups of everything, it's too easy to store, the whole purpose of Google, Youtube, and Twitter is data collection. NEST was purchased by Google for 2 billion dollars, and all they do is control your home's temperature through some electronics and automation. This was done, openly, because NEST was being used to collect information on users.

I am NOT paranoid. I know exactly what these companies are doing. YOU might think the data was really deleted, it wasn't, trust me.

It's so easy to store data. 128 GB SD Card will store about 2000 hours of MP3 data. That's about how many hours you were per year. This means that for $11, you can listen to good quality audio for an ENTIRE year before you repeat at work.

For about $1, I can record EVERYTHING you say for an entire year, trivially. Because this is trivial to do, I guarantee it's done. All technology is used for the most DESPICABLE evil you can think of. Why wouldn't you record everybody's conversation on their phones? Why was Skype purchased by Microsoft, and the SECOND it was purchased, they changed it from a P2P E2E communication system, and instead required a SERVER? They didn't need a server before, and it worked well. Why add a server? It complicated it, there's now a single point of failure, but you can intercept everything.

Me paranoid? FUCK YOU. You're gullible and trusting, and I'm not. If I told you 20 years ago that the Bush administration was lying about the Iraq War and it's probably that 9/11 really was an inside job, and pointed out that Emad Salem was an FBI informant in 1993, and tried to prevent the bombing of the WTC that year, and they tried to convict him as a co-conspirator anyhow, and all that saved him was he made audio tapes of all conversations, you'd call me paranoid.

Countless times we've found backdoors and "errors" in things. These are intentional. Remember Meltdown?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown_(security_vulnerability)

This isn't a mistake, or an error. It didn't just effect x86, but ARM processors, particularly COMMUNICATION processors. You know what it didn't effect? The raspberry pi. How was the same error in two ENTIRELY different architectures you suppose?

Why isn't email completely encrypted? We've have PGP for over 25 years.

This is no mystery to me.

If we wanted to secure our computers, that's easy to do. Just sign every program that runs, if the signature is incorrect (i.e. the binary has been modified) it won't run. This is easy to do, and what was done to prevent piracy on the XBox and PSX. We've been doing this for 15 years for video game systems, but not for phones, or computers. Why?

I'm tired of being in technology, explaining what is ACTUALLY done, and having fuckers tell me I'm being paranoid. I know what goes on. You THINK you deleted? How can you be certain? Why would they delete the information when their whole purpose is to collect data?

just_passing_through says

richwicks says

Haha, delete it?

I am in Silly Con valley. They don't delete anything. You can request whatever you want.

Yes they do. I used to do the deleting myself when I worked there and am good friends with the current person who does the deleting now. Paranoid much?

Maybe you missed the part about it being under HIIPA?

It may be under HIIPA, but HIIPA does not seem to be enforced.

You cannot sue for HIIPA violations. You can only nicely request that the violation be investigated, here:

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html

I tried this with my health insurance site, because it includes Google spyware javascript which can view and change anything on the page. After several months, I still have not received any answer at all.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/what-to-expect/index.html?language=es

How OCR Investigates a Health Information Privacy and Security Complaint
OCR carefully reviews all health information privacy and security complaints. Under the law, OCR only may take action on complaints if:

Your rights were violated by a covered entity or business associate
You file your complaint within 180 days of the violation

How many people find out at all, much less with 180 days?

If the covered entity or business associate does not take satisfactory action to resolve the matter, OCR may decide to impose civil money penalties (CMPs) on the covered entity.

Which probably means a fine that some government agency gets and you get nothing.

HIIPA is a fig leaf, no more. Look at the egregious violations that occurred during the scamdemic, when everyone knew your vax status, and how you had to reveal it to every Karen. It's bullshit, and when it's supposed to protect you it does nothing.

richwicks says

Read your whole story, are you SURE it's incompetence?

Yes, I am sure. Repeated events, such as the city IT setting up a "Barracuda Networks" router and leaving it at default settings, such as limiting email attachments to 500k, then blaming businesses' email systems for lack of delivery when the city required attachments to be full size pdf and nothing got through. I have been to court many times and the one constant is that lawyers are shamelessly unprepared.

Get a kit, swab your dog's nose, send it in under your name. Let them have the data they crave, lol.

just_passing_through says

Paranoid much?

richwicks says

I'm tired of being in technology, explaining what is ACTUALLY done, and having fuckers tell me I'm being paranoid. I know what goes on. You THINK you deleted? How can you be certain? Why would they delete the information when their whole purpose is to collect data?

LOLOLOL

stereotomy says

HIIPA is a fig leaf, no more.

I get the hospitals are corruptafarians as are these vaccine companies. Obviously I can't speak to all genetic companies but I've worked for more than a dozen and understand the data, policy and culture. So far no fucking way because especially when it comes to DNA they have been paranoid as shit that they'd get in trouble and give paranoid fuckers more to be paranoid about and ruin the industry, their careers etc.,. They. Follow. HIIPA.

Additionally for the company in question it's fucking funny someone thinks I'm a liar, stupid or both after I said I did the deleting and know the VP personally. It's a small company.

That being said this all started when I simply said I'm thinking about asking for a data delete at the last company. I didn't elaborate that I'm concerned they may be bought, the data may be bought, stolen by government whatever.

Then captain egoparanamanic jumped in.

Oh and SD cards lol... Doesn't know shit about shit.

just_passing_through says

just_passing_through says

Paranoid much?

richwicks says

I'm tired of being in technology, explaining what is ACTUALLY done, and having fuckers tell me I'm being paranoid. I know what goes on. You THINK you deleted? How can you be certain? Why would they delete the information when their whole purpose is to collect data?

LOLOLOL

Laugh away. I worked for WebTV and Microsoft. You'll find out in time. Nothing is deleted. I have contacts in Google and Facebook as well.

I don't work on the high level web interface bullshit, we work on the hardware and data communications. The reason NEST was purchased for 2 billion dollars by Google was a data monitoring system.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/11/12/18089090/amazon-echo-alexa-smart-speaker-privacy-data

It's an open secret, and I don't want to waste time convincing you when even our fucking "reporters" know it. They are data monitoring systems. I don't care if you believe me or not.

Got an Alexa or Google Home - what pet would you NEVER get? Have a conversation with your family about getting this new pet, and pay attention to what advertisements start to show up. Everything is recorded because it's CHEAP to do it. Recording a security camera only requires you to record changes, it's not like analogue. Only new information is recorded, and during those times there's no changes, it's just a repeat key frame, and in audio, it's just silence. You can record a billion years of silence in under a kilobyte.

You don't realize where we are at. I have a larger library than a BlockBuster did in it's heyday.

I'm not going to argue about this with you. This isn't your tech. You're clueless.

just_passing_through says

I'm not going to argue about this with you. This isn't your tech. You're clueless.

You know best. Whatever.

Also note I will never upvote my own post. I don't try to influence opinion, but I will freely educate. I don't engage in influence or deception.

Anyone else interested...

Next-generation sequencing: adjusting to data overload:

https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/mml/bmd/genetics/nmeth0710-495.pdf

13 years ago... The problem has only gotten worse. The solution then as it is today is to periodically delete sequenced genomes. It's too damn expensive. Incidentally most of the time researchers sequence someone's genome named NA12878. The same person over and over.

Here is some raw data, data that's already anonymized on the sequencing instrument by way of barcodes on a sample sheet:



That's deleted on the fly these days. Usually the only part saved is something smaller than the whole genome and specific. The UK has been collecting the most whole genomes - at least I think that's still true.

Ceffer says

komputodo says

What the hell is HIIPA?

Like I said, with all the atrocities already inflicted, lawfare, democide, selective justice, non-justice, deputizing of criminals, deputizing of medicine, medical personnel, and doctors AGAINST the people, complete bastardization of science and medical journals, capture of CDC, FDA et alia, they really give a flying fuck about HIPAA?

By the way, Kaiser literally asked me to sign a document waiving HIPAA, like it was no big deal. That way, I suppose, the Kaiser AI could continue to analyze me and sell my data to whomever.

Ok.......so HIIPA is really HIPAA... Everyone kept typing HIIPA on all the posts.

komputodo says

By the way, Kaiser literally asked me to sign a document waiving HIPAA, like it was no big deal.

I don't mind if people ask me to do something but it pisses me off when they "literally" ask me to do something

https://manosphere.at/2017/12/11/popular-dna-company-is-giving-white-people-african-ancestry-for-fun/

POPULAR DNA COMPANY (((23and Me))) IS GIVING WHITE PEOPLE AFRICAN ANCESTRY FOR FUN