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socal2
2023 Dec 28, 11:07am
I was at a Christmas party last week with some neighbor friends. Lots of affluent wine moms with nominally Conservative husbands that still want to get laid and don't want to rock the boat.
Alot of talk like this: "I can't believe how bad Biden has been, but I will never vote for Trump so I guess I am stuck with Biden." About half of these Trump haters said they would at least consider voting a Republicans if it was anyone but Trump.
There is no fixing these people. No matter how much new shit we learn about the dirty tricks, Trump will never get a second chance from them. The perception is baked in the cake.
What statistically significant group of voters will Trump win in 2024 that he didn't in 2016 and 2020?
Alot of talk like this: "I can't believe how bad Biden has been, but I will never vote for Trump so I guess I am stuck with Biden." About half of these Trump haters said they would at least consider voting a Republicans if it was anyone but Trump.
There is no fixing these people. No matter how much new shit we learn about the dirty tricks, Trump will never get a second chance from them. The perception is baked in the cake.
What statistically significant group of voters will Trump win in 2024 that he didn't in 2016 and 2020?
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 11:20am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 11:20am
socal2 says
So what? It's California. Nobody in other states gives a fuck about what people in California think.
I was at a Christmas party last week with some neighbor friends.
So what? It's California. Nobody in other states gives a fuck about what people in California think.
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socal2
2023 Dec 28, 11:53am
just_passing_through says
Yes - anecdotal only. California is never going Red. But my friend group are not radical Progressives and many have voted for Republicans in the past.
Just telling you the level of hatred that Trump still has outside his MAGA base and we would be foolish to ignore this reality.
Besides, we all know that Biden isn't running next year and my neighbor friends will be thrilled to have another option other than Trump.
So what? It's California. Nobody in other states gives a fuck about what people in California think.
Yes - anecdotal only. California is never going Red. But my friend group are not radical Progressives and many have voted for Republicans in the past.
Just telling you the level of hatred that Trump still has outside his MAGA base and we would be foolish to ignore this reality.
Besides, we all know that Biden isn't running next year and my neighbor friends will be thrilled to have another option other than Trump.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 11:59am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 11:59am
Your friends are leftists. Voting for Arnold doesn't really count as Republican.
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socal2
2023 Dec 28, 12:10pm
just_passing_through says
Trust me - these people are not Leftists. I have truly Leftist friends and they are a lost cause, I am talking about moderates and independents (majority of our voters). They are Bush, McCain, Romney voters, well off financially - but still working class and not immune to Democrat's financially ruinous policies. Yes - not as Conservative as I would like - but the world is not fair and we need as many non-retarded moderates voting for our nominee as possible.
Just don't see Trump pulling in more voters than he did in 2016 and 2020 to make up the millions of people who are voting AGAINST him. Trump's rallies are a shadow of their former glory and Trump seems to have lost a step and not getting any younger.
Your friends are leftists. Voting for Arnold doesn't really count as Republican.
Trust me - these people are not Leftists. I have truly Leftist friends and they are a lost cause, I am talking about moderates and independents (majority of our voters). They are Bush, McCain, Romney voters, well off financially - but still working class and not immune to Democrat's financially ruinous policies. Yes - not as Conservative as I would like - but the world is not fair and we need as many non-retarded moderates voting for our nominee as possible.
Just don't see Trump pulling in more voters than he did in 2016 and 2020 to make up the millions of people who are voting AGAINST him. Trump's rallies are a shadow of their former glory and Trump seems to have lost a step and not getting any younger.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 12:21pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 12:21pm
Well they get what they deserve then. I lived and breathed that CA crap for 2/3rds of my life. Fortunately being a military brat I was able to live other places. Anyone who voted for Bush, McCain, Romney and now don't see the error in their ways, well, there's no hope for them. They are maybe good enough in one area to become well off financially but they aren't very bright.
"Trump's rallies are a shadow of their former glory and Trump seems to have lost a step and not getting any younger." - I realized I was in a bubble when I lived there. This is bull shit. You need to get out more. He's more popular than ever despite being mired down in politically weaponized lawsuits. In fact, that alone is one very good reason to vote for him. Even if they kill him. Fuck the despots!
"Trump's rallies are a shadow of their former glory and Trump seems to have lost a step and not getting any younger." - I realized I was in a bubble when I lived there. This is bull shit. You need to get out more. He's more popular than ever despite being mired down in politically weaponized lawsuits. In fact, that alone is one very good reason to vote for him. Even if they kill him. Fuck the despots!
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socal2
2023 Dec 28, 12:30pm
just_passing_through says
Dude - I travel the country extensively. I will take the Pepsi Challenge with anyone on this forum with miles travelled this year. I have a wide network of friends and don't live in a bubble.
You say Trump is more popular than ever? That is exactly what the Democrats, Deep State and our Media had planned with these indictments and lawfare. Trump was only a few points ahead of DeSantis in early polling before the indictments started rolling in. Since the first indictments, Trump has gotten more retarded making Leftist arguments against the rest of the Republicans by praising Hillary, Newsome, BLM, Trannies, Bud Light and ludicrously claiming New York did better on COVID than Florida.
The Democrats and Media are playing us like a drum knowing the lawfare would radicalize us to rally around the one Republican that is most likely to lose in the General election.
They don't call us the Stupid Party for no reason. Democrats are retarded on policy, but they know how to run circles around us to cheat and game the system to win power. And we are dumb cats chasing after their laser pointers.
This is bull shit. You need to get out more. He's more popular than ever despite being mired down in politically weaponized lawsuits.
Dude - I travel the country extensively. I will take the Pepsi Challenge with anyone on this forum with miles travelled this year. I have a wide network of friends and don't live in a bubble.
You say Trump is more popular than ever? That is exactly what the Democrats, Deep State and our Media had planned with these indictments and lawfare. Trump was only a few points ahead of DeSantis in early polling before the indictments started rolling in. Since the first indictments, Trump has gotten more retarded making Leftist arguments against the rest of the Republicans by praising Hillary, Newsome, BLM, Trannies, Bud Light and ludicrously claiming New York did better on COVID than Florida.
The Democrats and Media are playing us like a drum knowing the lawfare would radicalize us to rally around the one Republican that is most likely to lose in the General election.
They don't call us the Stupid Party for no reason. Democrats are retarded on policy, but they know how to run circles around us to cheat and game the system to win power. And we are dumb cats chasing after their laser pointers.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 12:39pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 28, 12:39pm
Have fun with your war-monger and RINO sellout voting strategy. Trump doesn't walk on water but he's the best we've got by a lot!
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socal2
2023 Dec 28, 12:57pm
just_passing_through says
Have fun with another 4 years of a Democrat president.
I believe DeSantis has a better chance in the General Election, and better yet - would govern much more Conservatively and Effectively than Trump.
Trump would be worse than the 2nd term of Schwarzenegger IMO where he will spend his 4 short lame-duck years mired in lawfare and selling out Conservatives to be liked by the Media, Democrats, Holywood, BLM, LGBTQ....... to salvage his reputation. Trump is ALREADY tacking heavy Left and we aren't even out of the primaries yet.
We are so fucked.
Have fun with your war-monger and RINO sellout voting strategy. Trump doesn't walk on water but he's the best we've got by a lot!
Have fun with another 4 years of a Democrat president.
I believe DeSantis has a better chance in the General Election, and better yet - would govern much more Conservatively and Effectively than Trump.
Trump would be worse than the 2nd term of Schwarzenegger IMO where he will spend his 4 short lame-duck years mired in lawfare and selling out Conservatives to be liked by the Media, Democrats, Holywood, BLM, LGBTQ....... to salvage his reputation. Trump is ALREADY tacking heavy Left and we aren't even out of the primaries yet.
We are so fucked.
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clambo
2023 Dec 28, 1:05pm
People who hate Trump hate what he represents.
A gay, a lesbian and a tranny can't like him.
A broke hood rat single breed sow instinctively hates him; his type is as likely as royalty to meet her.
Anti wasp Jews and other groups of non whites hate him instinctively.
So fuckem.
A gay, a lesbian and a tranny can't like him.
A broke hood rat single breed sow instinctively hates him; his type is as likely as royalty to meet her.
Anti wasp Jews and other groups of non whites hate him instinctively.
So fuckem.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 28, 1:07pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 28, 1:07pm
clambo says
And Old Yankees, who want to tell everybody to not have babies and instruct them on "hygiene", vaccinations, electric cars, and 15 minute cities (while they live in Greenbelt mansions with stretch limos) don't like him either.
Anti wasp Jews and other groups of non whites hate him instinctively.
And Old Yankees, who want to tell everybody to not have babies and instruct them on "hygiene", vaccinations, electric cars, and 15 minute cities (while they live in Greenbelt mansions with stretch limos) don't like him either.
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FarmersWon
2023 Dec 28, 1:14pm
FarmersWon
2023 Dec 28, 1:14pm
clambo says
People who hate coward pussies who abandon their followers to support corrupt family also hate him.
At this point only Russia-lovers like him as All he is about is knee capping the west for eastern dictators.
People who hate Trump hate what he represents.
A gay, a lesbian and a tranny can't like him.
A broke hood rat single breed sow instinctively hates him; his type is as likely as royalty to meet her.
Anti wasp Jews and other groups of non whites hate him instinctively.
So fuckem.
People who hate coward pussies who abandon their followers to support corrupt family also hate him.
At this point only Russia-lovers like him as All he is about is knee capping the west for eastern dictators.
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Onvacation
2023 Dec 28, 4:41pm
Onvacation
2023 Dec 28, 4:41pm
socal2 says
TDS
Trump has gotten more retarded making Leftist arguments against the rest of the Republicans by praising Hillary, Newsome, BLM, Trannies, Bud Light and ludicrously claiming New York did better on COVID than Florida.
The Democrats and Media are playing us like a drum knowing the lawfare would radicalize us to rally around the one Republican that is most likely to lose in the General election.
They don't call us the Stupid Party for no reason. Democrats
TDS
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The_Deplorable
2023 Dec 30, 1:08pm
This headline from the Babylon Bee is true!
https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/colorado-bans-trump-from-running-over-concerns-usual-election-rigging-system-could-fail
https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/colorado-bans-trump-from-running-over-concerns-usual-election-rigging-system-could-fail
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The_Deplorable
2024 Jan 1, 10:29pm
January 6 False Flag falls apart...
Original link: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/seizure-of-trumps-phone-data-puts-jack-smith-in-unprecedented-legal-waters-analysts-5556070
Original link: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/seizure-of-trumps-phone-data-puts-jack-smith-in-unprecedented-legal-waters-analysts-5556070
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socal2
2024 Jan 2, 8:44am
Trump still hasn't learned a thing.
Is he thinking the FBI will be nice with him the 2nd time around?
Is he thinking the FBI will be nice with him the 2nd time around?
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SunnyvaleCA
2024 Jan 2, 2:18pm
socal2 says
The problem is that if Trump is defeated in the primaries, then whoever wins will be hit by the same fake-news and deep-state frauds as Trump. DeSantis has already had a full-length "60 Minutes" hit piece during his 2nd gubernatorial run; it was so dishonest that DeSantis' main opponent even called out the hit piece during a press conference. Don't forget the mischaracterized "Don't Say Gay" bill that didn't contain the word "gay."
Alot of talk like this: "I can't believe how bad Biden has been, but I will never vote for Trump so I guess I am stuck with Biden." About half of these Trump haters said they would at least consider voting a Republicans if it was anyone but Trump.
The problem is that if Trump is defeated in the primaries, then whoever wins will be hit by the same fake-news and deep-state frauds as Trump. DeSantis has already had a full-length "60 Minutes" hit piece during his 2nd gubernatorial run; it was so dishonest that DeSantis' main opponent even called out the hit piece during a press conference. Don't forget the mischaracterized "Don't Say Gay" bill that didn't contain the word "gay."
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socal2
2024 Jan 3, 12:25pm
SunnyvaleCA says
Of course the garbage media and Democrats will vilify and attack any Republican running for president. Look what they did to the boyscout Mitt Romney for cripes sakes.
But it doesn't change the fact that Trump has uniquely high unfavorable ratings among Democrats and Moderates......including some Conservative never Trumpers that cause them to lose their mind and vote against their interests.
Besides, DeSantis wiped the floor with the Media, Democrats and Disney that tried to vilify him over the Don't Say Gay bill. DeSantis actually wins the battles he is involved in and is 100X more Conservative and COMPETENT than Trump when it comes to running government.
The problem is that if Trump is defeated in the primaries, then whoever wins will be hit by the same fake-news and deep-state frauds as Trump. DeSantis has already had a full-length "60 Minutes" hit piece during his 2nd gubernatorial run; it was so dishonest that DeSantis' main opponent even called out the hit piece during a press conference. Don't forget the mischaracterized "Don't Say Gay" bill that didn't contain the word "gay."
Of course the garbage media and Democrats will vilify and attack any Republican running for president. Look what they did to the boyscout Mitt Romney for cripes sakes.
But it doesn't change the fact that Trump has uniquely high unfavorable ratings among Democrats and Moderates......including some Conservative never Trumpers that cause them to lose their mind and vote against their interests.
Besides, DeSantis wiped the floor with the Media, Democrats and Disney that tried to vilify him over the Don't Say Gay bill. DeSantis actually wins the battles he is involved in and is 100X more Conservative and COMPETENT than Trump when it comes to running government.
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SunnyvaleCA
2024 Jan 3, 1:02pm
socal2 says
I'd definitely prefer DeSantis over Trump in the White House. However, I'd prefer either of them over the far-left crazies running the current puppet in the White House. So the question comes down to which of the two is more likely to win. I don't think DeSantis will overcome the non-stop lies of the fake-news and deep state with respect to the anyone on the left or even the so-called moderates. It's just down to how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump is on the ticket verses how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump isn't on the ticket.
But it doesn't change the fact that Trump has uniquely high unfavorable ratings among Democrats and Moderates......including some Conservative never Trumpers that cause them to lose their mind and vote against their interests.
I'd definitely prefer DeSantis over Trump in the White House. However, I'd prefer either of them over the far-left crazies running the current puppet in the White House. So the question comes down to which of the two is more likely to win. I don't think DeSantis will overcome the non-stop lies of the fake-news and deep state with respect to the anyone on the left or even the so-called moderates. It's just down to how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump is on the ticket verses how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump isn't on the ticket.
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socal2
2024 Jan 3, 1:39pm
SunnyvaleCA says
I will crawl over broken glass to vote for ANY Republican this year to put a stop to the bonkers Donkey party. I would even vote for a JEB!
Did you see the DeSantis/Newsom debate? DeSantis destroyed Newsom and even many in the Liberal Media agreed.
It is harder to smear a guy like DeSantis when he has such a successful record and doesn't carry a fuck-ton of negative baggage as Trump does.
I'd definitely prefer DeSantis over Trump in the White House. However, I'd prefer either of them over the far-left crazies running the current puppet in the White House. So the question comes down to which of the two is more likely to win. I don't think DeSantis will overcome the non-stop lies of the fake-news and deep state with respect to the anyone on the left or even the so-called moderates. It's just down to how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump is on the ticket verses how many Republican voters will stay home if Trump isn't on the ticket.
I will crawl over broken glass to vote for ANY Republican this year to put a stop to the bonkers Donkey party. I would even vote for a JEB!
Did you see the DeSantis/Newsom debate? DeSantis destroyed Newsom and even many in the Liberal Media agreed.
It is harder to smear a guy like DeSantis when he has such a successful record and doesn't carry a fuck-ton of negative baggage as Trump does.
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clambo
2024 Jan 3, 1:59pm
I like DeSantis but I don't blame Trump for being attacked by assholes; I don't blame the victim.
I voted for both guys already and I will again.
I voted for both guys already and I will again.
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socal2
2024 Jan 3, 3:52pm
clambo says
I am not blaming Trump for being attacked by the Deep State. But I do blame Trump for not having better government advisors and lawyers that know how to blame the game and better defend the administration. Instead, we got Trump bringing in greaseballs and light weights like Michael Cohen, Scaramucci and Omarosa who let Trump get rolled at every turn. Even Michael Flynn foolishly folded early on which pretty much hamstrung Trump's entire 4 years.
I just don't see a guy like DeSantis with his experienced (and loyal) team allowing the Democrats and Media get away with the same shit they pulled on Trump.
I like DeSantis but I don't blame Trump for being attacked by assholes; I don't blame the victim.
I am not blaming Trump for being attacked by the Deep State. But I do blame Trump for not having better government advisors and lawyers that know how to blame the game and better defend the administration. Instead, we got Trump bringing in greaseballs and light weights like Michael Cohen, Scaramucci and Omarosa who let Trump get rolled at every turn. Even Michael Flynn foolishly folded early on which pretty much hamstrung Trump's entire 4 years.
I just don't see a guy like DeSantis with his experienced (and loyal) team allowing the Democrats and Media get away with the same shit they pulled on Trump.
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GNL
2024 Jan 3, 4:21pm
GNL
2024 Jan 3, 4:21pm
socal2 says
Well, there's the problem. Men serving women. Fuck that.
with nominally Conservative husbands that still want to get laid and don't want to rock the boat.
Well, there's the problem. Men serving women. Fuck that.
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GNL
2024 Jan 3, 4:31pm
GNL
2024 Jan 3, 4:31pm
clambo says
This country has turned a corner and , imo, will never reverse course.
People who hate Trump hate what he represents.
A gay, a lesbian and a tranny can't like him.
A broke hood rat single breed sow instinctively hates him; his type is as likely as royalty to meet her.
Anti wasp Jews and other groups of non whites hate him instinctively.
So fuckem.
This country has turned a corner and , imo, will never reverse course.
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