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AmericanKulak says

Reality says

The Iranian Shah was originally installed to replace the democratically elected Iranian President Mossadeghe, whom the CIA assassinated.

Why? What was he going to do?

Did you know why?

@AmericanKulak

I do. Mosaddegh was negotiating with the British to nationalize Iran's oil interests since the British were doing the same in their country, which is where BP (British Petroleum) comes from. The British pretended to negotiate, and then went to the United States and asked for the US to intervene. The US agreed on the condition that 40% of the oil interests would be controlled by US interests, and then the CIA overthrew the government by infiltrating the media and paying people to pretend to be protesters.

When the Shah (who was a traitor that colluded with the United States) was brought to the United States for treatment making the Iranian suspect that the US would reinstall him, they took siege of the US embassy which is where the 1953 coup was planned - Operation Ajax. It wasn't a big deal, the hostages were nothing but filthy fucking spies and backstabbers anyhow. Moral garbage.

And as a result of the Iranian revolution, when it was shown that a religious group could kick out a foreign occupier running their government for the benefit of the foreign power, it was copied everywhere.

And that's where modern Middle Eastern terrorism group ALL sprang up from which our fucking government selectively funds and assists to create as much chaos as possible, because during times of chaos, pillage is much easier.

Part of the reason that Saddam Hussein got targeted is he was a Ba'athist. Assad is too. The idea there is cooperating among the nations in the Middle East for common goals, you can imagine the United States doesn't want that. It's basically a peace movement, although there's plenty of conflict against those that don't agree with the movement.

AmericanKulak says

Reality says

I have been saying for a long time now, many of those critical of Zionist harsh policies on the biological descendants of biblical Jews who never left the land

You should go look at the DNA evidence, and not from Geocities and Stormfag sites. Ashkenazi Jews are LESS Turkic than the average Eastern European.

Jews are about as Turkic as Native Americans have Hebrew/Arab DNA, sorry Mormons.

They are even less middle eastern, the Ashkenazi are anyhow. They are foreign invaders from Europe and Russia and they were the ones that started the Zionist movement.

AmericanKulak says

LOL, finally admitted it, eh?

Admitted what?

The problem with talking to you semi-humans, is you purposely remain ignorant, and so it's pointless to discuss this issue with you. Either you're LEGITIMATELY stupid and incapable of thinking objectively, or you know exactly what is going on and you're a scumbag propagandist, who will continue to pretend to not know what is going on.

It has to be one or the other.

I mean look at this:

AmericanKulak says

Are you actually that stupid? You think that Israel has been doing nothing for 70 years, and that the Palestinians hit a hornets nest? Israel kills Palestinians every fucking day and have for 75 years, maybe one or two days went by when they didn't. They do it all the fucking time, and if you try to discuss it on social media anywhere, it's like trying to talk about the uselessness of vaccines in 2022.

Doesn't it occur to you, EVER, that your government is ALWAYS wrong? When the corporate propaganda machine all lines up to support whatever, they are ALWAYS wrong. Every fucking single time.

Were they right about Iraq? About Syria? Libya? Ukraine? This?

Are you this fucking dumb? It's hard to imagine you can be. I think you're dishonest, and it's pointless to talk with a dishonest person because they want to "win and argument", they aren't interested in thinking.

Israel will kill I think around 100,000 Palestinians, retake northern Gaza, and try to push out the Palestinians. That's what I see as the next TEMPORARY detente. That's what they always do. They'll never stop expanding, and they will never negotiate in good faith. That's been their pattern since before I was born. If you can't see a pattern that's been going on your entire life, you're just stupid. If you know the pattern, and ignore it, you're moral scum.

richwicks says

Israel will kill I think around 100,000 Palestinians, retake northern Gaza, and try to push out the Palestinians. That's what I see as the next TEMPORARY detente. That's what they always do. They'll never stop expanding, and they will never negotiate in good faith. That's been their pattern since before I was born. If you can't see a pattern that's been going on your entire life, you're just stupid. If you know the pattern, and ignore it, you're moral scum.

Who cares? Stop acting like you're some moral authority. You don't have a rocket defense system for shits and giggles. Are you fucking stupid??? Jews and Muslims will never get along. Never. Might go a decade or two. Point your moral middle finger at others. Fine. THIS WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL ONE SIDE IS WIPED OUT.

There isn't a debate. Both sides WILL kill each other until one is gone. This isn't opinion. It's fact. The US really has little to do with this compared to Ukraine. We're feeding both cunt bags that will eventually kill one another. So fucking be it. One area is and will need to be wiped out for peace in the area. Pick your pony. I give no shits because I don't read fictional books believing they're real. Kill the Jews... Kill the Palestinians... Who gives a shit? They'll all be dead if they cannot adult or dump the cancer that is religion.

WookieMan says

Who cares? Stop acting like you're some moral authority.

Moral authority??

Look, you're watching the slaughter of a civilization happen and you're defending it. You don't have to be a moral authority to oppose that. You just have to not be a piece of shit.

WookieMan says

You don't have a rocket defense system for shits and giggles. Are you fucking stupid???

Yes we do. Rocket defense systems are useless, except against missiles that are absolutely unguided and totally predictable. The strategy to defeat these VERY purposeless systems is you fire a bunch of worthless cheap shit at a target, wait until the defense system is out of ammunition, then you fire in the expensive shit that has actual warheads. That's what was so stupid about SDI, in a nuclear war scenario, all the opposition has to do is send up a bunch of empty warheads, exhaust the defense system, then send down nukes. Defense systems are TRIVIALLY defeated.

WookieMan says

Jews and Muslims will never get along. Never.

They did for about 1000 years that ended with Zionism. Christians and Jews have NEVER GOTTEN ALONG, and because you're in the TEMPORARY time period where they do, you think this is normal. It's not. Europe didn't have an Inquisition to wipe out Muslims.

WookieMan says

There isn't a debate. Both sides WILL kill each other until one is gone. This isn't opinion. It's fact. The US really has little to do with this compared to Ukraine.

No...

The US has EVERYTHING to do with it. If the US didn't fund Israel, this conflict would be cleaned up in a week. It would be that quick. If the US put reigns on them 30 years ago, this wouldn't be happening now. The US is just feeding Israel more rope. Eventually the US will not be able to support Israel any longer, and it will be entirely over-run.

WookieMan says

One area is and will need to be wiped out for peace in the area.

The area that will eventually be wiped out is what Israel calls Israel. That will happen.

EVENTUALLY the United States won't be able to protect them any longer. It's just a population of 10 million nuts. When the US can no longer to afford to keep this STUPID PROJECT running, the Jewish population will be kicked out of the area.

WookieMan says

They'll all be dead if they cannot adult or dump the cancer that is religion.

It's not about religion

It's over LAND between two cultures. ONE culture is 90% European and Russian Jews, the other culture has been living there for millennia.

By continually helping Israel no matter what the FUCK they do for 50 years, the US has created a situation and animosity that will last for 100's of years. Zionists are like those fucking "black activists" today that ONLY create hatred and animosity. Jews and Muslims got along pretty well for century after century. It wasn't perfect of course, but it was relatively a detente. That's over and it's not over for a few years, it's over for centuries, if not forever.

Scenes from the main market in Al Nuseirat refugee camp in Gaza that show the destruction caused by the Israeli genocide | via @Sereen_Sara pic.twitter.com/jq0yl8fdCg

— Sarah Wilkinson (@swilkinsonbc) January 8, 2024

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/they-let-humanitarian-aid-in-then-they-bombed-it-so-that-gaza-would-starve/

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs. But they won't because the "2nd front" must be kept open by all means, "palestinians" be damned.

RWSGFY says

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs.

@RWSGFY - how? There's a complete blockade on the entire area and people moving into the ocean are shot and killed.

You don't think when you post nonsense like this, or more likely, you post bullshit believing people who read your bullshit won't think.

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender. But they won't, of course, because as it was stated by one of the Ham-Ass head honchos "the survival of palis is UN's problem, not Ham-Ass'" and because thr whole thing was launched as a second prong to the offensive elsewhere, which started by their allies (or rather masters) on the same day.

Obvious things, really.

RWSGFY says

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender.

That won't stop Israel. Israel will just make another excuse. Israel funded Hamas after all, they'll create and fund another group, and another. They'll create false flags, and phantom groups, they'll bring ISIS in. They funded fucking Hamas, why would Israel's agent "give themselves up"?

Israel has said for years that "if only the Palestinians stop fighting the conflict will end", well the West Bank hasn't done anything to Israel in what, a decade? Two? Settlements just expand, and Israel just continues to kill Palestinians in the West Bank and displace them.

Israel won't allow a solution. They want the land and they will slowly kill and displace to do it. They hope to kill and displace SO SLOWLY that morons like you won't recognize what they are doing, even though they've been doing it for 75 years.

REALLY what the Palestinians should do is just break down the walls, walk out, and let Israeli mow them down. That would take an awful lot of courage, but it will show the world and morons like you what Israel is, just another bunch of Nazis.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender.

That won't stop Israel. Israel will just make another excuse

Does it hurt your back bending over backwards so far constantly making excuses for Islamists?

While the majority of non-Islamist and non-Leftist Americans still strongly support Israel over Hamas barbarians, that support for the IDF to continue fighting and hunting for hostages in Gaza would evaporate overnight if Hamas finally surrendered and returned the remaining hostages.

socal2 says

that support for the IDF to continue fighting and hunting for hostages in Gaza would evaporate overnight if Hamas finally surrendered and returned the remaining hostages.

Or if they just went away, as in Hamas. I think Isreal is a bit heavy handed, but I don't live with my neighbor shooting at me all the time. So I don't experience that. When it comes down to it I do think one side needs to win and a cease fire will just be bull shit otherwise. Again I don't have a side and I don't think there's a two party solution. It will be brutal, but this just needs to be a fight to the death for either party.

I wish it wasn't that way, but it's the only way to peace in that region. The way it has always been over fictional books and politics. It will come back in future centuries, but someone needs to be the alpha at this point. The US will get blamed either way by idiots. So let them duke it out and see who the winner is. This isn't an occupation scenario and never has been. Let them finish it however nasty it gets.

socal2 says

Does it hurt your back bending over backwards so far constantly making excuses for Islamists?

Does it hurt your knees sucking Zionist cock?

If the US stops paying for this bullshit, it ends. Simple as that. That's how to end it. I don't see you disagreeing with me. Israel funded Hamas, NUMEROUS IDF people said that it was impossible to breach the wall without their knowledge, they were training in the open for MONTHS, this was either a full on false flag, or it was purposely allowed to happen.

Israel's government wanted exactly this, and my government is funding it.

WookieMan says

I think Isreal is a bit heavy handed, but I don't live with my neighbor shooting at me all the time.

Your neighbor might be shooting at you all the time if you stole 90% of his land and then whine that you were the victim because they were fighting back.

WookieMan says

Again I don't have a side

Yes you do. You pay for Israel to just exist at this point. That's the side you are forced to support. The reason I complain about this, is this is the side I'm forced to support.

WookieMan says

The US will get blamed either way by idiots.

The US pays for this. Of course they will be blamed, it's their fault. That's why I oppose this because I'm being forced to pay for it. That's bullshit.

WookieMan says

This isn't an occupation scenario and never has been.

Yes it is. Every inch of land beyond the 1967 borders is occupied land.

This is so simple but you're fully propagandized into thinking it's complicated. Russian and European Jews moved into the area to make a Jewish only state run for Jews for the benefit of Jews and they created the conflict.

richwicks says

If the US stops paying for this bullshit, it ends. Simple as that.

Are you going to get the Iranians, Syrians, Chinese, North Koreans and Russians to stop arming the Islamists?

richwicks says

Yes it is. Every inch of land beyond the 1967 borders is occupied land.

Most Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza don't accept any Jews living anywhere in modern day Israel.

So the whole point is moot.

socal2 says

Are you going to get the Iranians, Syrians, Chinese, North Koreans and Russians to stop arming the Islamists?

No, it's not my fucking government.

Jesus, how can you not comprehend this? I don't have ANY CONTROL over other governments, I have SOME control over THIS government, and if I don't have any control at all, if none of us do, we should fucking overthrow it.

Countries arm other nations because of what MY COUNTRY is doing. If the US didn't (and wasn't) attacking Syria right now, Russia wouldn't have to arm Syria, would they? All my fucking nation of dumb shit Neocons and twats like you, is double, triple, quadruple, and quintuple down over and over and over again, until the nation is 30 trillion dollars in debt, is allowing an invasion on the border, and maintains control through election fraud and constant stupid puerile propaganda that a retard should laugh at, but the cattle among me DON'T.

When are you going to recognize our fucking nation is doing the wrong thing, and does it REPEATEDLY? They're always wrong. What if Saddam Hussein wasn't killed or Qaddafi not murdered, Assad just left alone, or Ukraine not overthrown? Well, we'd all be better off.

If the US stops fucking funding Israel, Israel will stop funding groups like fucking Hamas. How fucking obvious does it have to get? Israel wouldn't exist if it wasn't for constant US funding, and Israel gives the US NOTHING at all, but problems. Now if other countries want to fund it to keep that disaster going fine, but if they don't, Israel will have to NEGOTIATE for the first time EVER. They'll start having to be fucking reasonable for ONCE.

RWSGFY says

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs.

So as long as you can point to the wrong someone else is doing, you have carte blanche to do whatever you want right? Rape of women and children, starve millions, commit holocaust and genocide?

You sounds more and more like your communist hero's every day, Stalin definitely used the same reasoning. In fact Orwell's 1984 is packed with examples. Will you have the guts to respond this time, or are you going to keep dis-associating your beliefs from their real-world outcomes, another common communist tactic.

NuttBoxer says

So as long as you can point to the wrong someone else is doing, you have carte blanche to do whatever you want right? Rape of women and children, starve millions, commit holocaust and genocide?

You want honesty, yes. Isreal gained the land. That's water under the bridge for decades. I'll be blunt. It's not propaganda either. Muslims are horrible people. Other Muslims next door don't want them outside of proxy war fighting from Iran. Again, not propaganda. Egypt won't let them in. They're as big a part of the problem.

Isreal has been rather tame with their response. Again, I have no side. I don't care how many die on each side. Until you realize this never gets resolved until Hamas moves or Palestinians move there's no point in discussing it. One party is going to die. End of story. It looks like Palestinians will die. They poked the bear after years of peace.... I guess the occasional rocket launch was fine and dandy.

Either take the Jews out with your Muslim friends or stop crying like a fucking baby after killing a bunch of non-military citizens.

WookieMan says

You want honesty, yes. Isreal gained the land. That's water under the bridge for decades. I'll be blunt. It's not propaganda either. Muslims are horrible people. Other Muslims next door don't want them outside of proxy war fighting from Iran.

Do you know why?

I want to see if you can answer this. If you know what the division is. I bet my kidney you have no idea, but you ceaselessly defend the government (our fucking savior!) on this issue.

richwicks says

Do you know why?

Egypt doesn't want them because it fucks up their tourism. It could fuck up the Suez, no different than the Houthis. Shippers cannot get insurance to go through the area. Hamas and Gaza are shit stains. I don't side with Isreal. But this fucking needs to be done. It's round 10 and someone needs to throw a fucking knock out punch.

You keep worrying about US involvement. We've given aid to Hamas, the government that keeps this shit going. What's not to get here? You're anti American as fuck. Join Antifa or BLM. Go enjoy that. Start your own anti-American group for fucks sake. You're halfway there with your childish, do nothing attitude besides bitch and moan.

WookieMan says

Egypt doesn't want them because it fucks up their tourism. It could fuck up the Suez, no different than the Houthis. Shippers cannot get insurance to go through the area. Hamas and Gaza are shit stains.

No.

The Palestinians are chiefly Sunni, and the rest of the Middle East is chiefly Shia.

Jordan is chiefly Sunni, so they don't have a problem with the West Bank people for the most part. Lebanon is a mix of Sunni, Shia, various flavors of Christianity. Egypt is Sunni but it cannot accept more people. Egypt has been traditionally an enemy of Israel NOT because of the religion, but because Israel displaces Palestinians into their country.

The Sunni and Shia get along about as well as Catholics and Protestants did in 1850 Ireland.

Okay. So finally admit that it is religion. So the nearest neighbors are of the same sect of Islam. The religion of peace that won't even take their own in by a supposed enemy of the Muslim world. A nation that has Muslims that aren't dip shits walk amongst them at great risk. Okay. At least we're clear.

Isreal should just get over it and move out of that hell hole that won't change ever. Or kill them all. I think this is the big decision...

A legitimate question that some have asked, and we have tried to answer, why should you care. Let me give you a purely selfish reason, and I'll admit, it's mine as well:

What if some day those same personalities and their handlers decide you are are the worthless one.

— Whitney Webb (@_whitneywebb) March 30, 2024

Is killing millions of innocent people really about a few Jewish hostages? Not hard to answer if you remove emotion..

This is footage of Israeli forces firing a recreational missile at a UNRWA school building in Gaza. Just for fun.

Let's not pretend this is about Hamas or Hostages. It never was. pic.twitter.com/cyvDal8WCM

— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) March 31, 2024

But Zionists are for the Jews... right..?

Israeli police on Wednesday raided the anti-Zionist Jewish neighborhood in occupied #Jerusalem to take down Palestinian flags and brutally attacked anti-Zionist Jews, knocking them down on the road, hitting, and punching them in the face.#Palestine pic.twitter.com/FRerd6nL8F

— Quds News Network (@QudsNen) November 1, 2023

Lastly, if anyone has the guts to move from diatribes and philosophizing to reality. I don't, so I'll barely watch these, it's too painful..

"Here's my brother, right there, please bring him to me"

A Palestinian child begs the journalist to bring him his little brother after Israeli airstrikes separated them. pic.twitter.com/qvK6tVA2fe

— Quds News Network (@QudsNen) October 30, 2023

War is hell. Too bad Hamas still refuses to release hostages and are needlessly getting more of their people killed by trying to hunker down in a bunker like Hitler did when the Soviets and allies had Berlin surrounded.

Hamas lost. The sooner the Islamist butchers accept their loss and surrender, the sooner the war and killing stops.

That is how things normally work. But for some reason, Western retards always want to bail out Islamists for attacking Jews, Christians, Hindus and Western civilians.

Using the UN and international community's own metrics of urban combat, the IDF has set a new bar in minimizing civilian casualties. But as usual, Leftists, Anti-Semites and Islamists are a bunch of emo girls falling for Pallywood on TikTok and social media and have no fucking clue on the data and perspective.

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286#:~:text=Either%20way%2C%20the%20number%20would,mix%20all%20types%20of%20wars).

socal2 says

War is hell. Too bad Hamas still refuses to release hostages

This isn't war, and Hamas has repeatedly offered to release hostages in exchange for a ceasefire.

Israel doesn't care about the hostages and Hamas doesn't care about the people in Gaza really. You just can't seem to realize that.

socal2 says

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? | Opinion

I just attempted to post there, and it's just sent to the bit bucket and thrown away. Here's what I wrote:

We can no longer to trust Western media at all at this point, since their deception regarding the pandemic, or all the wars they have helped foster and support. Although this article speaks highly of Israel how can it be trusted to be accurate?

We have seen deception after deception in Western media. Weapons of mass destruction is the most famous one probably, but what about Qaddafi being "about to cause a humanitarian crisis"? That was a lie, and attacking Libya created a humanitarian crisis, precisely what our government claimed they wished to prevent. The US overthrew Ukraine in 2014, we know this with certainty, but nobody will report on this in "reliable sources", that's what caused the conflict in Ukraine, it began with a civil war. There's many examples.

If your organization will not point out these deceptions, you regulate yourself as a non credible information resource, and as a result, should be abandoned. For 30 years, we have had the Internet in wide mainstream use. You can make use of links, video, anything - there is no limit to size or bandwidth today. How am I supposed to draw the same conclusion that this author supposedly does without being able to verify their source of information? Not by faith.

The steadfast refusal of media to provide sources and to maintain a high degree of honesty, as well as their neglect in pointing out "misreporting" or outright falsehood and propaganda from our government, has doomed all of it.

I don't understand why people still continue to trust Western news media outlets. You can't even ask them about it. I'm certain they know they are dishonest, why don't you know they are?

It may seem like Abhrammic religions (jews, Christian n muslims) at constant war. If they are not killing n enslaving each other, then they are doing it to other religions n regions, but china with its atheist might change that. Each believes their God is only right so others are kafirs or infidels, n must be wrong so they need to be killed or converted or enslaved.

Let's say each has its own heaven n hell , then even if you ate goodvperson ,follow 1 of 3 religions, then you will end up in he'll of other 2 religion. So max probability is .33 of heaven. Since most people do many bad things over life, it's even smaller % . It's such that's you have be in hell of other 2.
Hitler really took care of jews. Most muslim nations kicked out all jews n other religion.

If you were not born into one of those religion then, all those going to he'll. Merciful God is making sure most ppl go n stay in he'll. Hmm

KgK one says

If you were not born into one of those religion then, all those going to he'll. Merciful God is making sure most ppl go n stay in he'll. Hmm

Religions may be erroneous but they do have centuries of creating social stability. Discarding that is dangerous, and we've seen this in Russia with the USSR and China during the 1950's. Millions were killed. Russia has had serious demographic problems, but their fertility rate is higher than ours is currently, and they are improving, I think in part due to the religious revival ongoing within Russia.

I think religion can be genuinely benign at least and very positive at times, and I have noted that people without it, some of them just go crazy. They NEED a touchstone, even if it's a false one. I am no longer of the opinion that truth or false is paramount. Many people cannot objectively look at their experience and imagine it without the dogma they were raised in but that dogma can be put to use for good work.

The alternative is to allow the state to be supreme in every sense, and I think that America's loss of religious values is causing turmoil in our nation right now.

richwicks says

This isn't war, and Hamas has repeatedly offered to release hostages in exchange for a ceasefire.

Hamas hasn't offered shit that is realistic. If they did, Biden and the Democrat ladies would be all over Israel forcing the ceasefire.

Besides, there is no conceivable ceasefire that leaves Hamas in charge.

Why do people like you continue to deny the obvious - that Hamas has totally lost......and is only prolonging the suffering by continuing to hide under women and children?

socal2 says

Hamas hasn't offered shit that is realistic.

Maybe so, but I'm tired of "Hamas refuses to release the hostages" as if they haven't made offers, repeatedly. What you said is factually incorrect, and it is tantamount to repeating propaganda.

socal2 says

Besides, there is no conceivable ceasefire that leaves Hamas in charge.

Look, Hamas has been funded by Israel for decades. It's like if the US setup a government in Iraq which they setup solely to create a purpose to attack, and they've done that. This is a similar situation.

Hamas is a guerrilla force and they exist because the conditions that Israel imposes creates a resistance. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for constant unrelenting pressure by Israeli expansion. The West Bank laid down their arms 2 decades ago, and all its resulted is that Jewish settlements expanded and more Palestinians were displaced. Hamas isn't unaware of this. They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

socal2 says

Why do people like you continue to deny the obvious - that Hamas has totally lost......

There's no winning in this. Israel has finally exposed their true face to the world, practically the only support for Israel they have now is the United States, the rest of the world has condemned it.

Israel is supported and kept together by foreign influence and aid. Hamas is attacking that. It's not like when this current conflict is over Hamas expected to "win", this is a long term decades old strategy in effect. Just as Israel keeps bringing up the holocaust from the 1940's, 75 years ago, I can guarantee the progeny will remember this current slaughter in 2050 and so will the rest of the world and will point to this as a seminal event for whatever resistance there is then. Everybody in Gaza knows SOMEBODY that has been killed, more than 1% of the population has been killed in this conflict.

I'm impressed that people don't realize that other groups think in long term, intergenerational goals. This has been going on for a long time, and it's Israel that is facing a demographic and economic problem. If you destroy Israel's infrastructure they WILL collapse, that is not the case for Gaza, because they've lived without infrastructure for a long time. All Israel is doing is creating a long term enemy for future generations of Jewish people. Eventually, this Zionist push will be catastrophic for Jews, and your blind support of this thinking that eventually this will be solved in Israel's favor is delusional. There's only 10 million of them, they can be destroyed quite easily if Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon decide to do it. The only threat being floated by Israel to prevent this is the Samson Option, eventually if they continue to create havoc, the areas being attacked by Israel will figure they're all going to die anyhow, and have Israel take out itself. They'll have nothing to lose.

I don't think present day people in power recognize what the population has available to them:

"Here's my brother, right there, please bring him to me"

A Palestinian child begs the journalist to bring him his little brother after Israeli airstrikes separated them.


original link

The ability to record everything, forever. I think our media has killed Western civilization. IF it was possible to have gotten the truth out 20 years ago, we would have had to change course, but today, I think it's too late. We are now balls deep on this.

By supporting Israel unceasingly for decade after decade, when people finally recognize just what Israel really is there will be a backlash that I think will go to the point that I oppose it. People who talk about this situation and side with Israel, just honestly don't understand what is going on and has been going on for decades. When they finally find out, I guarantee most of them will be angry.

It took a good 10 years before people who supported the Iraq War that their position was wrong, it will probably take at least that long before Zionist supporters realize they were wrong - but we're getting uncensored information now. The bloodshed is too obvious and wide spread to confine it a mention on the back page of the NY Times.

richwicks says

They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

At some point this is the solution. This goes away when one side dies. As a country we've sunken too much money into either side. Let one side kill the other. Fuck it. That way we can argue about more important things domestically.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

At some point this is the solution. This goes away when one side dies. As a country we've sunken too much money into either side. Let one side kill the other. Fuck it. That way we can argue about more important things domestically.

Look, the point I'm making is that we won't learn from this mistake. If the US didn't so slavishly support Israel, this would have been long ago resolved, maybe not without plenty of bloodshed, but resolved. When this resolves NOW it might be the extinction of an ethnic group. This would have been much better and amicably settled decades ago, but it's Israel that has refused to do it. They claim that they've offered a state, IF they did, they should have just said "You don't like what we're offering? Too bad, this is your state, and your borders" - they've had this ability for 40 years. They never intended a two state solution so this mess has been created where the Palestinians are packed in so tightly, and it's such bloodshed, that it's uniting the Shia and Sunni against the US and Israel.

If Israel exterminates the Palestinians, the Muslim world will not forget, and there's PLENTY of fodder to stoke up genuine anti-Semitism in the West today, not just the bullshit that the ADL pretends is anti-Semitism, I mean the actual real thing. If they drive the Palestinians to total destruction, there's going to be generations of Jewish people that pay for that, maybe with their extinction.

Anti-Zionists are equated with anti-Semites but for MOST anti-Zionists, they are trying to SAVE Jewish people from themselves. There's this myth that the "Jews and Muslims never got along", that is NOT true. Christians and Jews never got along, and now Muslims and Jews won't be able to get along as result of this conflict. I think it's too late to resolve this now. Israel keeps doubling down on stupid, and the rest of the world is watching what Israel claims is "the Jewish people" carrying out an extermination campaign. It's a pity that Israel insists on equating their crazy state with a religion - it will tarnish the religion for centuries, maybe even destroy it.

WookieMan says

Okay. So finally admit that it is religion. So the nearest neighbors are of the same sect of Islam. The religion of peace that won't even take their own in by a supposed enemy of the Muslim world.

Religion keeps the Middle East fractured, but only to a point. The Sunni and Shia will eventually recognize that they have bigger fish to fry than each other. The religion is used to purposely divide them and there's a lot of evidence that the British Empire broke up the Ottoman Empire with sustaining the conflict in mind to prevent reunification and make resource extraction easier.

Lebanon got along quite well, although the different religions kept to themselves. It used to be called the Riviera of the Middle East. I'm not precisely sure what happened, but I would bet a testicle that the Palestinian displacement was part of it.

Consider, say the Irish and English were somehow expunged from their land, and they ended up in the United States, poor and without shelter, after their economies had been disrupted for 50 years - how would the US react to that influx of immigrants? That's what a modern Palestinian coming out of Gaza is like. Anybody that could leave, did, decades ago.

I think we are witnessing an important event, and the idea that genocides were magically going to end because we finally grew up a bit as a species - that's a myth. We're just as brutal and nasty as we ever were. We might go through another insane event like WWI or II again. It's insane we can't learn from our past.

My frustration with this is that I can tell what will happen as a result of this, and few people can. We've seen the history countless times, and people make the mistake of thinking this time it's different. We're all going to be worse off because of this attempt. It's enormously frustrating to see the mistake being made, and it being actively propped up through propaganda and other shenanigans. If your government has to fucking lie to you to get support, they are doing something wrong. I can see when my government is lying to me now, and quite accurately and quickly, but I don't live among many people who do, despite their supposed education. It's maddening.

People inexplicably can't recognize patterns. What is happening now to S. Africa very well may happen in Israel, but far worse. There isn't going to be a detente with them of any sort not that there is in S. Africa, but when the snapback finally happens, it's going to be severe and it all could have been avoided if Israel was just a LITTLE reasonable, but they want all the land, and there's no negotiating with them on that issue.

BS The islamists refuse to share the land. There will be Islamic fighting and terrorism as long as there are islamists. Quit projecting Islamic demands on Israel. Israel is the nation that is, was and always will be the most hated people on earth. But to claim a people who have been persecuted by every dominant power (except USA) for thousands of years is a bully is pretty rich. Even for Richard Wicks. The nation of Israel even today is the last thing standing between the islamists and the west. Israel thankfully will NEVER be overcome by its enemies, but if Israel ever does cease to exist the God failed to fulfill His promise to them. That is why Satan and those who are blinded by Satan are hellbent on destroying and demonizing Israel. I speak of spiritual Israel, and not political Israel. I don’t suggest that the government of Israel is a recipient of God’s promises, but the descendants of Israel (Jacob) are.

PeopleUnited says

But to claim a people who have been persecuted by every dominant power (except USA) for thousands of years is a bully is pretty rich. Even for Richard Wicks.

It's not Israel that is the bully. The US is, Israel is just the instrument.

It's 10 million people, and they get 4 billion dollars a year in aid. They are supplied with the latest US military hardware, and they aren't even very good about keeping it a secret. The US still props them up, because "they're the most persecuted people in the world" - ARE they though, really?

If they were, there would have been exterminated a long time ago.

PeopleUnited says

The nation of Israel even today is the last thing standing between the islamists and the west.

WHAT are you talking about? They aren't a bulwark against that.

The US has created so much havoc in the Muslim world, that Muslims have moved into Europe and the United States IN FORCE to impose their belief system in the communities they reside in. Israel has done nothing to stop that, and likely the exacerbated it.

PeopleUnited says

That is why Satan and those who are blinded by Satan are hellbent on destroying and demonizing Israel. I speak of spiritual Israel, and not political Israel. I don’t suggest that the government of Israel is a recipient of God’s promises, but the descendants of Israel (Jacob) are.

It's just a religious book, as true as the Qu'ron is, or any other religious stuff. You can't be pulled out of that faith though at your age and think objectively. Abrahamic religions are political tools. They mean whatever they need to mean when it's convenient.

NuttBoxer says

What if some day those same personalities and their handlers decide you are are the worthless one.

The Leftist-Islamist alliance has already made that decision. It's just slower in the left via population replacement. Every Leftist's wet dream is to overlord it over a population as a Saviour-Dictator-God. Robespierre, Saint-Just, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. It's agreed that Turd Worlders are better at being grateful obedient drones than Westerners.

Islamism in the next generation to come will take and hold territory, not just attack Cathedrals and Nightclubs.

There's a lot of alleged former Leftists that pretend to be Patriots but are deeply motivated by anti-Westernism and/or other ideas. One tell is that they never celebrate positive Western traditions , and only speak about Western mistakes in generally even-handed and liberal (in the classic sense of the word) governance and criticize the West.