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socal2 says

Hamas now saying they can’t confirm over 1/3 of the deaths they claimed.

Says who?

You just constantly make shit up, all the fucking time. It's pathetic. You are a poor and pathetic propagandist.

You are making this claim. Not Hamas. You.

richwicks says

Hamas now saying they can’t confirm over 1/3 of the deaths they claimed.

Says who?

Says Hamas.

socal2 says

richwicks says

Hamas now saying they can’t confirm over 1/3 of the deaths they claimed.

Says who?

Says Hamas.

No. You are saying this. You are lying I believe.

Show me who in Hamas said this. When? Where?

richwicks says

No, Robert was a coworker and his family's land was stolen by Zionists.

You have proof of that? Again, you didn't see it. If you trust Robert but don't trust the media??? You can't have it both ways. A coworker is not a friend. I NEED it to be a friend. Not some random you worked with that is likely to lie because he hates Jews.

WookieMan says

You have proof of that? Again, you didn't see it. If you trust Robert but don't trust the media???

Robert never lied to me as far as I know. The media told me the Biden is the most popular president in history, that the coronavirus was going to kill everybody, that monkeypox was going to spread, that burning cities was a mostly peaceful protest, that Assad was gassing his own people, that Ukraine had a revolution and not a coup, that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation, that Hunter Biden is an artist... I can name 10 times more than that from memory.

You don't even remember most of the bullshit of our media? You never will be able to recognize it's just propaganda, even when it's given to you, painstakingly pointed out to you. You will just gaslight forever.

Talking sense to fools for 30 years, and you still call me foolish.

You aren't capable of the most basic reasoning ability. It's painful and wasteful to spend time and effort to get you filthy stupid cattle to not drive us off the cliff over and over and over again. You are incapable of learning.

This existence is hell with people like you in it. You are the vast majority. No Shane in being wrong, virtue signalling your ind compliance, and your conformity, never thinking for a moment what evil you support viscously fighting against reasoning and the upward struggle of man to rid ourselves if evil

At one point I hated people like you, now all I can be is perplexed

You actually asked if I trusted a person with direct personal experience if an issue over what I have called the propaganda box which I never stop complaining about.

It's impossible to treat you as people at times. You are a beaten dog.

Nobody in our propaganda complex is allowed to question Israel. That tells you right there they are wrong. Can't question it? They are lying about it. It's as simple and obvious as that.

richwicks says

You actually asked if I trusted a person with direct personal experience if an issue over what I have called the propaganda box which I never stop complaining about.

You literally just confirmed my statement and point. You don't "know" Robert. You don't "know" the media. Robert is a random coworker. You don't believe the media, but someone you barely know you believe???

I don't believe the media all the time. I really don't believe a thing. I'm at the point I either saw it or experienced it or it didn't happen. I'll have discussion, but there's no reason you guys should believe me that I hiked up a mountain with 20 beers on my back. Difference is I have no bias. Robert has a bias being Palestinian. It likely didn't happen. You don't "know" it's true at all. Yet take his word as a coworker, not friend, that has a massive bias.

KgK one says

In game of thrown, are jews The Iron Bank of Braavos? Which is (located on the fictional continent of Essos) is an incredibly powerful and wealthy institution, lending money to governments and military commanders

No. I stated in the OP I don't believe the Zeitgeist stuff, that you blame Jews for everything. And since October 7th, I've come to realize to don't blame Jews for anything. You blame Mossad, IDF, Israeli government. I know the Jews do, since those three organizations are solely responsible for their bad reputation.

The Iron Bank would best be represented by the Rothschild's.

Israeli police executing US citizens in the streets. Doubtless not the first time...

תיעוד מאירוע הירי ביפו: שוטר מג"ב שלא בתפקיד לבוש על אזרחי וכפכפים מתקוטט עם תושב העיר בן 50 שחובש קסדה. תושבים מנסים להפריד, מתרחקים ואז נשמעים בין כשמונה יריות.
ההרוג הוא אדם מוכר בעיר כמתנדב במד"א. לפי גרסת המשטרה, השוטר נפצע קל מסכין. פונה לוולפסון.
מח"ש חוקרת. https://t.co/qvMqDgwQEE pic.twitter.com/Kd7ticnSgK

— Josh Breiner (@JoshBreiner) April 12, 2024

Wow, there was some kind of altercation between two guys, one an OFF DUTY cop in flip fops, in Yaffa. Totally official Israeli Zionist EVIL!

Seriously, when one has to push this kind of stuff as some kind of proof of malfeasance, it's more than a little desperate

NuttBoxer says

The Iron Bank would best be represented by the Rothschild's.

Dude, it's the Medicis. Braavos is Florence. The tell is in the name. It's not Ha El-bachos, it's ayyyy Braavos, Ciao.

WookieMan says

You have proof of that? Again, you didn't see it. If you trust Robert but don't trust the media??? You can't have it both ways. A coworker is not a friend. I NEED it to be a friend. Not some random you worked with that is likely to lie because he hates Jews.

This is typical. Every single Palestinian who ancestors was a farm or construction landless laborer pre 1947 is like "Muh Family owned 100 hectares of Olive Trees." If that was true Israel would be one huge forest of Olives three layers deep with Olive trees growing on top of Olive trees. It would have been the only place in the world where 70-80% of arable land wasn't distributed to 10-20% of the population.

socal2 says

Love seeing this black man calmly and logically set Joe Rogan straight on the preposterous “genocide” claim.

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1777512331489972452?s=61&t=9ifHByszoGU5rTeV0_dZ6A

Yep. Hamas numbers are so insane, it would be the only urban fighting where the Child/Woman:Man death ratio is like 80/20. And the only conflict where the numbers don't widely fluctuate from day to day in tandem with rises and falls with the tempo of conflict. IE Some days there's more fighting (entering new neighborhoods) and some days less (mopping up, rotating units).

By the way, notice all the denials of bunkers, depots, and miles and miles of Hamas tunnels linking hospitals, schools, UNWRA buildings, Red Cross Offices, etc. and using them to store arms has stopped.

That's because journalists all over the world have been shown these tunnels and bunkers right after these locations, with the electric and water hookups running into the buildings, so Hamas was siphoning off water and electric from International Aid and NGO groups financed by Taxpayers all over the world, and there's NO WAY the building owners and operators didn't know. We're not talking some Simp helping run a splitting and running single coaxial TV cable line down so Hamas could watch Football, but massive electric and countless of gallons of hot and cold water daily at multiple locations.

WookieMan says

I don't believe the media all the time.

The reason so much effort is put into censorship and media narratives is because media lies always, not sometimes.

They don't lie sometimes, they lie all the time.

Coronavirus, monkey pox, Russian Collusion, everything. Why would they put in any effort giving you true accurate information? The UFO balloon. They tell you ridiculous bullshit. George Floyd, Trump's dementia, remember that? How many do I have to list, how many examples?

The more you believe it, the more wrong you are. How many times do you have to see they are just liars?

Your gullibility is killing this nation. You're everywhere. You have Vault 7 showing that Operation Mockingbird is real, and you have Julian Assange providing proof that a surveillance police state is being setup, we had this 40 years ago with the Church Committee. Everything is known, but you refuse to know it, so because you're 90% of the population the 10% like me get dragged along.

You think some asshole in a suit with a 1000 dollar haircut who lies about everything just about, but they are informing you on Israel? The first indication that somebody is lying to you is they are putting in a ridiculous amount of work into their appearance for credibility.

WookieMan says

I'm at the point I either saw it or experienced it or it didn't happen

Then you have a very very very small life.

AmericanKulak says

By the way, notice all the denials of bunkers, depots, and miles and miles of Hamas tunnels linking hospitals, schools, UNWRA buildings, Red Cross Offices, etc. and using them to store arms has stopped.

Yeah - thousands of hours of video showing Hamas tunnels and bunkers under hospitals, mosques and schools along with hours and hours of videos of Hamas murdering, torturing and kidnapping Israelis civilians.

Yet, Hamas pole smoking supporters in the West say:

"Says who? Show me the bunkers?!! I am not going to look at the link and do your work for you? EVERYTHING is a lie!!!!"

socal2 says

Yeah - thousands of hours of video showing Hamas tunnels and bunkers under hospitals, mosques and schools along with hours and hours of videos of Hamas murdering, torturing and kidnapping Israelis civilians.

Where are these thousands of hours of video?

Funny you can't seem to use a link.

socal2 says

"Says who? Show me the bunkers?!! I am not going to look at the link and do your work for you? EVERYTHING is a lie!!!!"

Just about. I can show you thousands of hours of the news media lying, and very obviously lying.


original link

They don't waste any time at all giving you correct information.

Those tunnels are there, built by Israel. I've provided sources proving this already, but the people you argue with don't click links, or read. Their opinion is 100% emotion, like a women.

richwicks says

The reason so much effort is put into censorship and media narratives is because media lies always, not sometimes.

richwicks says

Where are these thousands of hours of video?

Funny you can't seem to use a link.

You want links, but don't believe a fucking thing even with a link. Look at YOUR fucking comment. "Media lies always, not sometimes." Why the fuck would anyone provide you with a link? For fucks sake dude, get some help.

I've argued with Socal on EV's. I at least try to listen. He has his take, I have mine. You literally take a fucking liquid shit on any comment directed your way dude. I seriously am concerned about your mental health. You go out of your way to make up bull shit that people/users are wrong. You shoot users down that actually agree with you on a topic. That's not normal.

NuttBoxer says

Those tunnels are there, built by Israel. I've provided sources proving this already, but the people you argue with don't click links, or read. Their opinion is 100% emotion, like a women.

Yep, the tunnels and bunkers didn't exist until they were found. Hamas and UNRWA claimed they never saw nuttin, never. Never mind the Egyptians have flooded them with sewer waste over the years whenever they were found - it was all a ZioLie from the ZioPress in the ZOG!

But when they were proven to exist beyond a doubt, it was really Israel all along.

😂

AmericanKulak says

But when they were proven to exist beyond a doubt, it was really Israel all along.

You can't win with the Jew haters. They will constantly keep moving the goalposts for every one of their lies exposed.

Reminder - here is a video that Hamas made PROUDLY showing how Hamas digs up water pipes that US taxpayers funded to build rockets.

Next thing we will hear: "Hamas rockets are coming from American defense contractors!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NB27x138Y&t=4s

If it's Joos who dig up
all the tunnels and then attacked these villages on Oct 07 why Ham Ass doesn't deny allegations that they own the tunnels and attacked the villages on Oct 07? The only logical conclusion is that Ham Ass ARE Joos!

WookieMan says

Why the fuck would anyone provide you with a link?

I don't expect a mindless piece of cattle to. I'm just demonstrating you won't . I'm de.obstraring you can't.

I don't reference corporate media. I know how to use this system. I'm just demonstrating you still don't.

Everything is online, everything. You can find everything. I have a HUGE library of information I've collected. It would be a treasure trove to another human being, if I could just find another human being.

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2056485

Truth doesn't matter to people like you. It matters to me. Our government just killed 3000 people on 9/11 and then went to 20 years of war with this pretext, and you think talking to my representative will help. I'm not that naive. Just getting YOU to understand what is going on is impossible

socal2 says

Reminder - here is a video that Hamas made PROUDLY showing how Hamas digs up water pipes that US taxpayers funded to build rockets.

The water pipes are not functional. Water is controlled entirely by Israel, Israel no longer provides water to them.

Don't you know this?

richwicks says

The water pipes are not functional. Water is controlled entirely by Israel, Israel no longer provides water to them.

Don't you know this?

WTF you talking about? These videos were made well before 10/7. Gaza had and still has access to clean water.

Your tax dollars went to provide this water infrastructure only for thankless Gazans to allow their elected leaders (Hamas) to turn donated water infrastructure into a tool to kill Jews.

To Islamists, it is more important to kill Jews than to have clean water for their own people.

Peace will come to the Middle East with Muslims love their own children more than they hate Jews.

socal2 says

WTF you talking about? These videos were made well before 10/7. Gaza had and still has access to clean water.

I'm talking about the water pipes have been shut off years ago, because Israel controls all water flow into the area.

When Gaza became a refugee camp Israel turned off services to Gaza.

socal2 says

Your tax dollars went to provide this water infrastructure

My tax dollars go to fund a conflict that Israel has no intention of ever wanting solved to the benefit of both sides

Israel is just one conflict. You may as well have said my tax money is going to Ukraine to protect their democracy and to beat Russia in this war.

socal2 says

Reminder - here is a video that Hamas made PROUDLY showing how Hamas digs up water pipes that US taxpayers funded to build rockets.

That's right. And the whole time before and after the pipes were funded all you heard was "Waaaah, give us more unaccountable billions! The Zionists are keeping us thirsty!" while Gazan Women were shown to be the 3rd most obese on the planet out of 100+ countries/regions. Those Stats won't be allowed to be collected again, just like a Soros Mayor's Police don't arrest so the real crime numbers can't be known.

RWSGFY says

The only logical conclusion is that Ham Ass ARE Joos!

The Ultimate dirty Ziotrick! Aha!

Seriously, when Hamas is destroyed, all you'll hear from some people is "don't forget, Israel sponsored Hamas". No matter how many times you explain Israel supported Hamas when it was known for it's Charity and had no armed wing, to drive away support from Fatah and PFLP ... and that Iran backed Hamas for decades after it became a violent organization.

AmericanKulak says

That's right. And the whole time before and after the pipes were funded all you heard was "Waaaah, give us more unaccountable billions! The Zionists are keeping us thirsty!" while Gazan Women were shown to be the 3rd most obese on the planet.

By whom?

You're just claiming this. Show us.

Then you will get another lecture about Bush and Saddam and WMDs, which is why I just ignore. Kinda boring refuting the same charges, with links, etc. etc. OR rehearing points not in contention over and over again.

I actually can anticipate the arguments and just pop in a snark so I don't have to bother. I never give up the field to lose by default unless I'm bored beyond all exhaustion, which hasn't happened yet. Though I do take long breaks.

When you're dealing with postmodernists, they use a kind of attrition/guerilla warfare of endless pricks until they tire out their opponents.

Then there's a "Chomsky dodge."

"Well, while the MSM accuses PolPot of war crimes, and uh, I don't speak Cambodian so we have to rely on these often biased, heh, heh, heh, Press people... so let's look at the big picture in SE Asia. Laos, Prince Sukkawhattaever, Cambodia, Thailand based bombers, boo hoo. US bad here, US bad there, US bad little factoid over there. Chomsky never attempts to find reasons to why the US reacted or prepared for an action, only that it did so.

The reader/listener is wowed by Chomsky's breadth of coverage over the span of many pages and minutes, and his knowledge of any and all the US' misteps, accidents, or bad decisions that are trotted out, but the reader or listener forgets that Chomsky never refuted or advanced the original point of contention.

AmericanKulak says

Then you will get another lecture about Bush and Saddam and WMDs,

If it's connected.

Why do you just believe bullshit of our government and media still? The reason I keep going back to WMDs is to show how fucking STUPID people are to just blindly believe. You're still doing it, 20 years later. Can you learn from past mistakes? Do you just believe any bullshit of our government STILL, or the Israeli government, STILL? It appears so.

What on Earth does it take to get you to think? Is it possible? All you need to hear from somebody, you can't even tell who, something that confirms your confirmation bias, and you run with it. You don't even slightly care if it's true or not.

AmericanKulak says

I actually can anticipate the arguments and just pop in a snark so I don't have to bother.

Of course you can, this is because I'm consistent.

I really want to know if you can actually think. I only know you through a computer, and it's impossible at this point to tell if you're a propagandist, or if you really can't think.

AmericanKulak says

Well, while the MSM accuses PolPot of war crimes, and uh, I don't speak Cambodian

Look, Vietnam we went full in because our government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident that never happened. We wouldn't have gone into Vietnam if they didn't lie to the public. I have no problem with a war, some wars are worth fighting, but no war where we have to be lied and tricked into supporting that war is worth fighting.

Gulf of Tonkin is 60 years ago. Have you learned nothing in your entire complete life?

AmericanKulak says

The reader/listener is wowed by Chomsky's breadth of coverage over the span of many pages and minutes

I don't care about Chomsky. I'm fascinated that even when I explain the magic trick of the propaganda, you still get fooled by it again. It's inconceivable to me. Either you genuinely can't see it, or you pretend not to see it. If it's the first case, that's severe mental debilitation to me, if it's the second case, it's severely immoral to help continue to deceive the public for the interests of a bunch of murderers. I don't see any other options.

I can write you off as just being entirely morally bankrupt. Maybe you are.

AmericanKulak says

Then you will get another lecture about Bush and Saddam and WMDs, which is why I just ignore. Kinda boring refuting the same charges, with links, etc. etc. OR rehearing points not in contention over and over again.

Bingo. Rich knows more than us and he knows all media, so even when a link is accurate, it's wrong and somehow goes back to Iraq which was a policing operation and not a war. Here's a link Rich. We lost as many cops as troops as a country over the same time in Iraq AND Afghanistan. Then throw in just Chicago citizens. https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatality-data/officer-deaths-by-year/ Is the US at war?

Most of the deaths in both nations was self inflicted amongst islamic sects. It wasn't the US or coalition mowing Muslims down. Sunni and Shia ring a bell? I'm sure you're authentic library of bull shit has all that information. You need to get on meds my friend. Was us going there right, I actually don't know. Fun part is you actually don't know but pretend to and regurgitate the same line over and over with this now fictitious library of made up facts.

Enjoy your Monday night of bull shitting on Patnet. We're all getting used to it at this point. No one takes you seriously FYI.

WookieMan says

Bingo. Rich knows more than us and he knows all media, so even when a link is accurate

Show me a post where YOU posted a link after I asked for it.

WookieMan says

Most of the deaths in both nations was self inflicted amongst islamic sects.

Yeah, after the US destabilized it, erased the people keeping each faction at bay. SOMEHOW you think that means the US is blameless to you, even though they lied to you, and you're not at all troubled with the GOVERNMENT lies to you. That's fine.

What upsets you is when I point it out.

WookieMan says

authentic library of bull shit

Yep. That’s what those who promote the false narrative of Zionist terrorism are peddling.

PeopleUnited says

WookieMan says

authentic library of bull shit

Yep. That’s what those who promote the false narrative of Zionist terrorism are peddling.

Like the Lavon Affair? THAT false terrorism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

How about this - IDF executing two men waving flags and surrendering:


original link


You're happy in your ignorance and you're delighted to spread it on, like a disease. You're the intellectual equivalent to a bug chaser in the homosexual community.

We are at the pinnacle of information today, it's never been easier ever in all of history to know what is going on. We all have enough access to information that we can, for example, determine the United States overthrew Ukraine - we don't need to wait 30 years later to have the NYTimes pull an FOIA request to find out that we overthrew Iran in 1954, 50 years later where everybody involved is dead, nobody can possibly be held accountable, decades after we repeated the same "mistake" over and over again, which we could have avoided if we studied the coup and why it wasn't a good idea.

Just 20 years ago, that's where we were, and in order to know this information, you'd have to hear about the article, you'd have to go the library's newspaper morgue, you'd have to find it on microfiche usually, then make hard copies. It was doable, but it was real work.

30 years ago, I just thought people lacked information. They are astringently ignorant, on purpose, and they spread their ignorance, purposely. They won't do an OUNCE of thinking. I have a friend who I have explained 4 times that the US overthrew Ukraine, he still doesn't believe me.

If people just waste this tiny time, the internet is going to be censored, we already gave up any semblance of a press, and all people will know is what a few overlords will tell them, and they aren't going to tell them to the truth. If you think 1984 is some crazy dystopian society that can never happen, we're only 10 years away from it - all the technology and FAR MORE is here now.

You're not going to need a Ministry of Truth, it will just be a bunch of AIs. They aren't going to come to burn our books either, they're going to come to destroy data. We have safeguards against this, but you won't use them. I'm aberration, I'm not a natural slave like most people are.

I can understand why the ruling class has such contempt for "normal people". I'm starting to see their view and it's terrifying. They don't see you as human at all, they see you as animals to exploit.

richwicks says

I can understand why the ruling class has such contempt for "normal people". I'm starting to see their view and it's terrifying. They don't see you as human at all, they see you as animals to exploit.

You are exactly right, but that is the nature of humanity. Only a few people are leaders, the rest are natural followers. If a noob politician goes to Washington with the intend to work for the people, he soon finds that the very people he is trying to help will not back him up. Then he sees his fellow politicos get rich through bribes. Soon he himself realizes that if he tries to fix the corruption, he will be a target not just from the crooks in office but from the electorate as well. He then learns to go along to get along, including telling lies that his constituents are eager to hear. Of course, one develops contempt for the people he lies to, both for forcing him to lie and for believing these lies.

The solution is term limits and having eligible voters limited to citizens who are net tax payers.

HeadSet says

Soon he himself realizes that if he tries to fix the corruption, he will be a target not just from the crooks in office but from the electorate as well. He then learns to go along to get along, including telling lies that his constituents are eager to hear.

I know Rich will shit on this comment. Go meet them. Have a discussion with your House Rep. State or Federal. That was the purpose of the position in our government. Someone accessible. No one does it. They just bitch and whine.

People get hung up on the executive branch of government. Most change you'll ever make is with House members. Biden is a dip shit. Guess what? CA has the most house members in the country. Until you cats out there get that you are the ones fucking up the country, I'm not sure what else to say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_representatives_from_California#:~:text=5%20References-,Current%20members,40%20Democrats%20and%2011%20Republicans.

9.2% of the house is Democrat elected officials. Nation wide. From ONLY California. You guys run the country with the help from IL and NY. If you want change, you guys need to change CA. Until then I don't want to hear or see the crocodile tears about government. No one is doing shit. I am in IL as best I can. Bitching and fixing it ain't the same thing. It is fixable.

The compassion the Zionists have for the people they didn't manage to kill on October 7th is really moving...
https://nypost.com/2024/04/16/world-news/nearly-50-attendees-of-israels-nova-festival-died-by-suicide-since-oct-7-hamas-terrorist-attack-survivor-says/

Zionists use their US bitch's to gain footholds in Africa, spreading chaos in Sudan. Trigger warning for Trump supporters...
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/us-israeli-hand-sudan-civil-war/

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

“...all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.”