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Only the choir will watch this, but if you're outside of it, you should still watch it.


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People don't understand the other side. I'm a LOT more educated about what Israel has done than the majority of you. Our media protects Israel through lies via omission. I've known what Israel has been doing for 30 agonizing years. You have no idea what that state is like, most Israelis don't.

It's a mess. We shouldn't be blindly supporting Israel. We should encourage reform. If they never reform it will in time become a catastrophe for the Jewish people, because Israel == judaism == zionism, that's what these nutcases have programmed into you, that's how you're brainwashed. There's no good sides, but there are sides. Either improve both or one is extinguished, and with 10 million Israelis and 100's of millions of people pissed off with them, I know the outcome.

richwicks says

People don't understand the other side.

Not hard to understand.

Islam is a supremacist religion/ideology. Their entire history is one of violence, expansion, subjugation and colonialism.

Islam keeps their people pig-ignorant, bigoted and hateful.

Muslims are simply butt-hurt they can't run the Jews out of Israel like they ran out all of the other religious minorities including Christians from the Middle East.

The ask has been lowered to 33 live hostages. Still no sign they will be produced.

socal2 says

Anti-Semitism is the world’s oldest mental disease.

is anti-jew the same as anti-semitism...and if so, why not just use anti jew...lot easier to text

she's titting up finally

Semites include arabs as well as jews - it is based on the roots of language (Semitic languages). Antisemitism is an attempt by the jews to culturally appropriate the term Semite. They are not the only Semitic people. Don't fall for the Zionist bullshit.

socal2 says

AmericanKulak says

All the best people around the world have been alerted to the Evil of the Israeli regime!

Jew hating retards are going to retard.

Anti-Semitism is the world’s oldest mental disease.

why does it matter if some people hate jews?

Transwitch Eurocontestant endorses Palestine with her Inverted Pentagram Occult Song. Clearly Satan is against the Zionists

stereotomy says

Semites include arabs as well as jews - it is based on the roots of language (Semitic languages). Antisemitism is an attempt by the jews to culturally appropriate the term Semite. They are not the only Semitic people. Don't fall for the Zionist bullshit.

komputodo says

is anti-jew the same as anti-semitism...and if so, why not just use anti jew...lot easier to text

People can hate who they like. But it's no crime to notice that Greta, Transwitch Eurosong Satanists, Pedophile Faux Trads, Islamicists, the Far Left, and others have a bugaboo in common.

That's why I'm moving to Judenhassen, which is anti-jew, same shit, either/or. Semitic is really a linguistic group. And anti-semitism was created in 19th Century Germany to provide a more 'neutral' term instead of the original, Judenhassen or Judenkoller

The whole Judenkoller explosion is agencies trying to justify censorship in an election year and budget increases for 'extremism' and/or create a corresponding rift in the Republican party to leverage a few votes away. It's very apparent several are on the payroll, and it's always the sleeziest ones with big skeletons in the closet (E Schaffer and Nick have plenty of association with Ali Alexander and have been accused of ... talking to underage boys).

Bookmark this post.

socal2 says

Islam is a supremacist religion/ideology. Their entire history is one of violence, expansion, subjugation and colonialism.

Do you realize how easily this is said of Christianity?

We just bombed 7 nations in the last 25 years. Why?

We dropped two nuclear weapons.

The English practically took over the world.

The Ottoman empire was divided up to specifically create sectarian violence in the artificial nations that were created.

You really cannot understand that all the Abrahamic religions are created as political tools, can you? We are no different in terms of violence, supremacy, authoritarianism.

Right now we are supporting the mass murder of an indigenous people in Palestine. We just 10 years ago brought slavery back to Libya.

There are sides but you are childish to think one is good or bad. It's just sides.

socal2 says

Anti-Semitism is the world’s oldest mental disease.

Delusion is the oldest mental disease, by far. I'm not subjugated by any race or man. You are.

Do you seriously believe that "antisemitism" is the world's oldest mental disease? Do you honestly believe after seeing Fauci, Birx, Janet Yellen Jamie Dimon, Alan Greenspan, that we have nothing to learn from our ancestors?

109 countries they have been supposedly kicked out of. The ADL is who wants TikTok shut down, not because of the weird bullshit pushed there but there is too much criticism of Israel there to the ADLs taste. Rachael Levine, Ricard Levine is Jewish

There is something pathological in the religion or race. Oh but now we are suddenly enlightened, everybody before us was wrong. NOW we are right...

Don't be so arrogant.


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Right or wrong, they are attacking our most fundamental right. The fact they are attacking our most basic right is why I oppose the ADL and now always will. You call this a mental disease. That's, laughable. You are willing to sell the next generation into slavery, I will die to prevent it.

You see our ancestors as primitive savages, that couldn't imagine what we have now. I see you as a savage that can't even understand how a modern lightbulb works. The next generations will see us as all savages, unless we take the right moral control. If we pick wrong as a society, they will be right, we are savages.

Just as we are condemned for our ancestor's turning a blind eye to the very real extermination of the Indians, what will people 200 years from now think of our clapping of what we do now? You support it, that's easy, what I do is hard. We can prevent it, but you will not help. Easier to go along to get along isn't it. You condemn future generations with your weakness. I'm not like you at all.

NuttBoxer says

talking about the Red Heifer,

NuttBoxer says

I believe most Christians base their faith on culture first, God second.

Let’s see what God said.

Jesus spoke of a coming “abomination of desolation” in the Olivet Discourse as He referenced a future event mentioned in Daniel 9:27. In Matthew 24:15–16, Jesus says, “So when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place . . . then those in Judea must flee to the mountains” (CSB).

Jesus referenced Daniel in His words in the Olivet Discourse. The prophet Daniel mentioned the abomination of desolation in three places:

“He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator” (Daniel 9:27, CSB).

“Forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation” (Daniel 11:31, NKJV).

“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days” (Daniel 12:11, NASB).

The wording in the above translations indicates that the abomination of desolation is an object; in some other translations, the abomination appears to be a person: “On the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate” (Daniel 9:27, ESV).

Regardless of whether the abomination of desolation is a person or a thing, Daniel predicted the following:

1. A future ruler will make a treaty with the people of Israel.
2. The terms of this treaty will be for a “week”—which we take to be a period of seven years.
3. Midway through this time, the ruler will gather his troops and put an end to the sacrifices and offerings in the temple.
4. At that time the ruler will desecrate the temple, setting up some type of sacrilegious object.
5. The desecration of the temple will continue until the judgment of God is finally meted out on the ruler and his followers, 1,290 days (3½ years and 1 month) later.

The question then becomes, when, after Jesus’ day, was the abomination of desolation prophecy fulfilled? Or are we still waiting for a fulfillment? The preterist view is that Jesus’ warning in Matthew 24:15 concerned events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. In this view, the abomination of desolation probably occurred during the Roman occupation of Jerusalem when the Roman army brought their heathen images and standards into the temple courts.

We take the futurist view, which sees the abomination of desolation prophecy as still future. In our view, Jesus was referring to the Antichrist who, in the end times, will establish a covenant with Israel for seven years and then break it by doing something similar to what Antiochus Epiphanies did in the temple. The sacrilegious object Jesus called “the abomination of desolation” could be the “image of the beast” that the Antichrist’s right-hand man, the false prophet, will order to be set up and worshiped (Revelation 13:14). Of course, for Matthew 24:15 to be yet future, the temple in Jerusalem will have to be rebuilt before the tribulation begins.

The sacrifice of the red Heffer is what Jewish priests need to do in order to reestablish the temple. The Jewish tradition is to sprinkle the ashes of a perfect red Hefer on the altar in the Jewish temple to sanctify it. Numbers chapter 19 has more details.

https://www.gotquestions.org/abomination-desolation.html

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Remember what I said about Internalized Leftism and one-sided views? Look at all the Turd Worldism and revisionist history that leaves out key counterfactuals in this thread.

George Bush was a failure because he refused to confront that the hijackers were all on Student Visas, the wokeness in the Universities, and the influx of radicalized Muslims. Or more likely, knew but didn't give a shit because of Arbusto Energy.

Sign of the Times

AmericanKulak says

George Bush was a failure because he refused to confront that the hijackers were all on Student Visas,

All but one of them were Saudi. The FBI helped commit them WTC bombing before. The US government was part of the plot. 9/11 was a joint operation of US, Saudi, and Israeli intelligence.

Your failure is that 2 decades later you still do not realize this.

Reality says

BTW, the Palestinian children are biologically the most probable descendants of biblical Jews still existing in the world.

Are you saying the Palestinians killed Jesus?

(huurrr durrr, the 10k's of pics and videos shot and shared millions of times by Hamas and Paleban supporters on Oct7th were all faked by Mossad, boo hoo, just like the 100s of recipients and 10000s of emails and docs on Hunty's laptop were faked by Russia, boo hoo)

Onvacation says

Reality says

BTW, the Palestinian children are biologically the most probable descendants of biblical Jews still existing in the world.

Are you saying the Palestinians killed Jesus?

LOL! "Palestinians" did not exist yet as a concept. The ancestors of current-day Palestinians were both followers of Jesus (who was a Jew) and followers of Pharisees and Sadducees (members of both sects also identified themselves as Jews back then, before converting to Islam 700+ years later) that pressured the Roman governor into crucifying Jesus because Jesus got in the way of their money-changing business in the temple (i.e. Jesus recognized the Jewish priest class back then were running a financial scam using monopoly religious coins (a pre-run of "Indulgences") that had asymmetric exchanged rates ripping off their followers). Most of today's Jews dominating politics in Israel are European descendants of Kharzaria; their biological ancestors were not converted to Judaism yet until hundreds of years after the deeds of Jesus. Blaming Khazarian descendants (or ancestors who were not converted to Judaism yet) for the death of Jesus is just as silly as giving Khazarian descendants the right to exterminate anyone in a piece of land promised in a story made up by the 5th century BC Aryan (Iranian / Persian) agent Ezra to control / dominate a newly conquered piece of Persian Empire populated by Egyptian exiles (whose ancestors had followed 13th century BC Pharoah Akhenaten / Moses out of Egypt).

Reality says

"Palestinians" did not exist yet as a concept.

Yep, they were created in 1964 by the KGB as a means to add the usual Turd World Decolonize Bullshit to the Middle East.

Reality says

Most of today's Jews dominating politics in Israel are European descendants of Kharzaria

Bonk, DNA has conclusively proven that Ashkenazi Jews have less Central Asian blood than the average Eastern European, and the Eastern Europeans have very low percentages.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/

Kharzarians were not necessarily related to today's Central Asians. Germans, Franks, Russians, Magyars, Kharzars, and etc. all had ancestors coming from the Eurasian steppes. Today's Central Asians (usually referring to the people south of Caucasus Mountain) received a heavy dose of Mongo DNA in the 13th century AD/CE, some 500 years after the peak and subsequent fall of Khazarian Empire, which had its capital located near Astrakhan in the region north of Caucasus. People from the region are literally called Caucasians, not Semites. Ashkenazis are Caucasians not Semites. Palestinians are Semites.

Reality says

LOL! "Palestinians" did not exist yet as a concept.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine

Zioniststs and Zionism are entirely dependant on propaganda and lies.

Why have you never bothered to find out if what you mindlessly repeat is true or not?

Okay, rich, the land concept "Palestine" existed since at least Roman time. However, IIRC, the local people "Palestinian" as a concept did not become common until late Ottoman time: due to the religious differences in the region (and that was before the rise of nation-state concept in the 19th century), most people in the area identified by their various religious and tribal affiliations, not "Palestinian" per se. It's similar to: the land concept "Transjordan" existed since at least 11th century, but the concept "Jordanian" as people came into existence much later (20th century). People living in Palestine and Transjordan in the 11-12th century variously identified themselves as Bedouins, Muslim farmers, Christian farmers (mostly of Greek, Syrian and Armenian Church origin), Christian farmers pretending to be Muslim farmers in order to avoid jadzier tax, Muslim administrators/warriors, Christian Cruaders, etc., not Palestinians or Jordanians.

Reality says

Okay, rich, the land concept "Palestine" existed since at least Roman time. However, IIRC, the local people "Palestinian" as a concept did not become common until late Ottoman time: due to the religious differences in the region

Look, think about what we are talking about here.

The land has been occupied for 1000s of years. Whatever you want to call them, Palestinians, yokels, goat fuckers, whatever, they've been continuously there for thousands of years.

Then a bunch of Russian and European Jews showed up, claimed that between 40 and 80 generations ago their ancestors lived there, even though there's no historical record of it, so the land belongs to them.

Do you understand how fucking deranged this is?

My great grandfather fled Poland because WWII was about to start, he's gone through WWI, and he wasn't to go through that shit again. There's property in Poland he had to abandon. Do I have a claim on it? You're crazy if you think I do

That's all of Israel, insane people who mostly don't even have religion, claiming the god they don't believe in gave them this land.

How fucking crazy can they be?

And you, you go right along with it. I think you're crazy too. And I mean seriously. Look at what arguing for.. it's insane.

Here want a thought experiment? Supposedly Jewish people have been kicked out of 109 nations, supposedly and they believe this, but they don't have the self reflection to ever think it may be something in their culture causing these problems that get so big, they literally get kicked out of nations. They think, in all seriousness, they are just victims never victimizers. What's the one common element in Jewish people being kicked out of all these nations? Many different nations many different cultures...

The Palestinians are basically helpless and have been for decades. People like you say stupid stuff like "if the Palestinians just lay down their arms there will be peace", well the West Bank did that. You know what happened, there is no West Bank now. Settlements, JEWISH ONLY SETTLEMENTS, expanded. 200 Palestinians were killed before October 7 in 2003.

Reality says

Kharzarians were not necessarily related to today's Central Asians. Germans, Franks, Russians, Magyars, Kharzars, and etc. all had ancestors coming from the Eurasian steppes. Today's Central Asians (usually referring to the people south of Caucasus Mountain) received a heavy dose of Mongo DNA in the 13th century AD/CE, some 500 years after the peak and subsequent fall of Khazarian Empire, which had its capital located near Astrakhan in the region north of Caucasus. People from the region are literally called Caucasians, not Semites. Ashkenazis are Caucasians not Semites. Palestinians are Semites.

There's still no significant Asian DNA in Ashkenazim, it would have popped out like a black plague blister if it was in the DNA in quantity.

The massive Italian/Corsican/Sardinian DNA in Ashkenazi mDNA is impressive, though.

AmericanKulak says

Reality says

"Palestinians" did not exist yet as a concept.

Yep, they were created in 1964 by the KGB as a means to add the usual Turd World Decolonize Bullshit to the Middle East.

Reality says

Most of today's Jews dominating politics in Israel are European descendants of Kharzaria

Bonk, DNA has conclusively proven that Ashkenazi Jews have less Central Asian blood than the average Eastern European, and the Eastern Europeans have very low percentages.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/

Great graphic and the next one in the series....
Hail the great leader of UN NWO Build back batter!

UN Finally admits numbers from Hamas via Gaza Health Ministry (aka Hamas) to UNRWA are all bullshit, cuts causalties by a third.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772

Now how many 17-19 year old Hamas/PIJ militiamen are getting reported as "children"?

AmericanKulak says

Reality says

"Palestinians" did not exist yet as a concept.

Yep, they were created in 1964 by the KGB as a means to add the usual Turd World Decolonize Bullshit to the Middle East.

You are such an absolutely shameless liar:.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine

We are in a time where anybody can check any fact in less than a minute, and you still tell lies like the one you just did what's it like to have to moral integrity and to lie all your life to protect a racist ethno state which is doing the one genocide we can actually stop?

“An overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group running the Gaza Strip, according to a new poll.

The Harvard CAPS-Harris survey shared with The Hill showed 80 percent of registered voters said they support Israel more in the war, while 20 percent said they support Hamas more. That is about in line with the poll’s findings from last month, when 79 percent indicated they support Israel more.”

This quote cited above by AmericanKulak has false framing. No one apart from radical leftists and islamists supports Hamas per se. Many do, however, find Israel’s bombing campaign indiscriminate and barbaric.

It’s the same binary thinking as the Iraq War’s “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists.” One can criticize Israel without supporting Hamas (though ironically Israel helped found and fund Hamas); one can criticize Jewish policy without advocating anti-semitism.

I suspect if the poll were asked honestly, not “Do you support Israel or Hamas” but “Is Israel committing atrocities in its response to Oct 7th,” you’d get an entirely different breakdown than 80/20.

goofus says

An overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group running the Gaza Strip, according to a new poll.

So? I bet 99 people out of 100 couldn't find Israel on a map. They are entirely ignorant. TV tells them what to "think", or at least what to believe. As television wanes, as people get fed up with sites that censor, as it becomes more difficult to control propaganda and "the narrative", it will change. I'm just worried how far it will change. We might become the 4th Reich, and I don't want that.

richwicks says

goofus says

An overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group running the Gaza Strip, according to a new poll.

So? I bet 99 people out of 100 couldn't find Israel on a map. They are entirely ignorant. TV tells them what to "think", or at least what to believe. As television wanes, as people get fed up with sites that censor, as it becomes more difficult to control propaganda and "the narrative", it will change. I'm just worried how far it will change. We might become the 4th Reich, and I don't want that.

Right, people are easily led, and yet this very survey was trotted out to further influence people in favor of Israeli policy. Just pointing out that the framing is deceptive in that few support Hamas, but nevertheless don’t want to fund Israel’s bombing of homes, hospitals, universities, refugee zones, aid workers, etc.

If you’re worried about a 4th Reich, I would suggest this is exactly what Biden and his mediaborg would like you to fear: the red herring of white supremacy taking hold and destroying “our democracy.” I think we’re further down the path toward minority in-groups holding the majority out-group responsible for any and all historical suffering. This was Bolshevism’s hook, and we’re all “American kulaks” to those in power now.

I suspect a lot of this was "Fuck the MENA migrants" by Proxy

goofus says

This quote cited above by AmericanKulak has false framing. No one apart from radical leftists and islamists supports Hamas per se. Many do, however, find Israel’s bombing campaign indiscriminate and barbaric.

Yes, dropping non-lethal knock-bombs on roofs in the middle of a massive urban warfare campaign is indiscriminate. Constantly setting up new safe zones, at the cost of Hamas militiamen hiding amongst civilians with plenty of time to move is barbaric. Israel as always is over the top to avoid civilian casualties; the UN was forced to revise their Hamas-sourced numbers way down and it looks like it's going to go further down. The whole "600 mass graves from a mass killing in a 20-car open parking lot" was busted weeks ago.

Go look at some WW2 and post WW2 urban warfare casualties and combatant:non-combatant estimates and get back to me. Especially over a multi-month period.

Propaganda comes from Indy Pedantic journalists that rehash Russian, Syrian, MB, and iranian crap as well.

goofus says

It’s the same binary thinking as the Iraq War’s “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists.” One can criticize Israel without supporting Hamas (though ironically Israel helped found and fund Hamas); one can criticize Jewish policy without advocating anti-semitism.

Okay:

Because a ceasefire with a terror group that wisely doesn't claim statehood lest they be held to statehood standards of behavior (ie launching rockets over the border = undeniable causus belli for a just war), that just violated a ceasefire with no cause or warning October 7th to kill 1200 civilians and take 100s of civilian captives (two warcrimes), all because you can't avoid civilian casualties in urban warfare in not an option.

The truth is some don't want Hamas to go away because they feel it will eventually help Israel be dismembered

You never see this level of enthusiasm or attention for when 8000 Nigerian Christians are killed in a year, or Pakistanis disguise themselves as Kashmiri Insurgents to sieze Indian seasonal outposts, etc. etc.

Famous Khazarian Leader, Khan Oivei

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“Yes, dropping non-lethal knock-bombs on roofs in the middle of a massive urban warfare campaign is indiscriminate. Constantly setting up new safe zones, at the cost of Hamas militiamen hiding amongst civilians with plenty of time to move is barbaric. Israel as always is over the top to avoid civilian casualties; the UN was forced to revise their Hamas-sourced numbers way down and it looks like it's going to go further down.

Go look at some WW2 and post WW2 urban warfare casualties and combatant:non-combatant estimates and get back to me. Especially over a multi-month period.”

It’s fish in a barrel over there in Gaza, with 30k killed in 7 months. No comparison with troops vs troops in the world wars. Palestine doesn’t even have troops. Odd comparison.

goofus says

It’s fish in a barrel over there in Gaza. No comparison with troops vs troops in the world wars.

Not at all. The Nazis firebombed Rotterdam in 1940 when a handful of stubborn Dutchmen were endangering their France invasion timetable.

Remember UNRWA facilities with 100s of employees had water and electric hookups to extensive miles of bunkers and tunnels under them. There's NO way the UN Bureaucrats didn't know.

Go have a reasonable, not superficial look. And don't use post 2022 information, esp. from Wiki, since the SFBA leftoid editors have been rapidly at work.

“The truth is some don't want Hamas to go away because they feel it will eventually help Israel be dismembered

You never see this level of enthusiasm or attention for when 8000 Nigerian Christians are killed in a year, or Pakistanis disguise themselves as Kashmiri Insurgents to sieze Indian seasonal outposts, etc. etc.”

It probably has to do with us funding and arming the Israeli side. We’re not funding Pakistani insurgents or Nigerian Muslims … so far as I know. Though it appears we did help fund “Daesh” or “moderate Syrian rebels” which eventually was acknowledged to be ISIS. (US aid needs a caveat doesn’t it, haa.)

goofus says

It probably has to do with us funding and arming the Israeli side. We’re not funding Pakistani insurgents or Nigerian Muslims … so far as I know. Though it appears we did help fund “Daesh” or “moderate Syrian rebels” which eventually was acknowledged to be ISIS. (US aid needs a caveat doesn’t it, haa.)

For a very long time, the US funded the Paki Military. And we don't fund Nigerian Muslims or Christians. Or the Rohingya terrorists or the Muslim Sri Lankan terrorists, and definitely not Burma or the Sri lankan government to any significant degree.

We do help Turkey, yet Sultan Erdogan revoked the museum status of the Hagia Sofia and restored Islamic takeover of it.

The whole "it's the USA" is an Internalized Leftism argument, part of demoralization and destabilization - make the US look responsible for all evil and no good. Softening it up for increasing Corporate Socialism and/or the next Revolution.

The Eurovision votes are an interesting proxy: The official jurors were very at odds with the voting public.

goofus says

Just pointing out that the framing is deceptive in that few support Hamas, but nevertheless don’t want to fund Israel’s bombing of homes, hospitals, universities, refugee zones, aid workers, etc.

A very very tiny portion of the US minority realize this is what is being done. Most Americans have no clue, but they are willing to mindlessly repeat what they heard on the damned propaganda box as "truth". Reason, logic, facts - those don't matter. Unless it's been on that infernal box, it's false.

AmericanKulak says

Yes, dropping non-lethal knock-bombs on roofs in the middle of a massive urban warfare campaign is indiscriminate.

Yeah, but they don't actually do that. That's what our media reports, and this is what Israel claims.

I am so tired of the brainwashed, that after being lied into the Iraq war, the Syrian war, the bombing of Libya, the overthrow of Ukraine, the covid bullshit hoax, still can't realize MAYBE they are being lied to about Israel. Of course you are.

How can you keep falling for lie after lie after lie? I once charitably considered you naive and/or stupid, now I consider you inhuman.