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Israeli "leaders" must have known about the impending attack and let it happen


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2023 Oct 13, 11:34am   20,711 views  226 comments

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The Wall Street Journal ran an intriguing story yesterday headlined, “Hamas Militants Had Detailed Maps of Israeli Towns, Military Bases and Infiltration Routes.” The sub-headline added, “Documents found on Hamas militants show scale of planning behind deadly attack.”



Nothing like this has ever happened before. Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University, confirmed “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”

The newly-discovered plans suggest more sophisticated actors must have been involved. One 14-page document described in the article was labeled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023. It described a detailed plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, one of the small collective communities near Gaza (called a kibbutz), and taking its residents hostage. The document included maps and aerial pictures of the town, and disclosed intel that the kibbutz held 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.


I expect it was allowed to happen to distract everyone from other issues (like the death of 8 year old Israeli toxxine poster boy Yonatan Erlichman from a heart attack) and to provide justification for stomping on Gaza.

Not that Hamas isn't guilty. The murder of random civilians for political reasons is the very definition of terrorism. Hamas must be wiped out.

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108   Patrick   2023 Nov 9, 1:13pm  

https://slaynews.com/news/cnn-reporter-admits-taking-part-hamas-terror-attacks-had-prior-knowledge-assault-israel/


CNN Reporter Took Part in Hamas Terror Attacks, Had Prior Knowledge of Assault on Israel




A new report has revealed that a CNN reporter was “embedded” with Hamas when the terrorist group launched its brutal attacks against Israel on October 7.

Hassan Eslaiah, who has also worked for the Associated Press, posted several images and videos on Twitter/X that were taken during the attack. ...

In response, a CNN spokesperson said the network did not “doubt the journalistic accuracy of the work he has done for us, we have decided to suspend all ties with him.”
109   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 9, 1:21pm  

Reality says

PeopleUnited says


Reality says



It's intellectually dishonest...

I said fixed it for you. It is intellectually dishonest to attribute the Catholic creation of Islam to Jews.



Where did you get the idea that the Catholics created Islam? The East-West Schism wasn't final until 1054, over 400 years after the start of Islam.

Islam and Catholicism are “Marian “ religions. They both revere Mary. It’s no coincidence. Catholic priests “educated” Mohammed, they created this religion with the idea it would destabilize the region for generations. It worked.
110   Reality   2023 Nov 9, 2:07pm  

PeopleUnited says


Islam and Catholicism are “Marian “ religions. They both revere Mary. It’s no coincidence. Catholic priests “educated” Mohammed, they created this religion with the idea it would destabilize the region for generations. It worked.


All branches of Judaism take advantage of women's support in early stages during its founding (then suppress women later): Moses had his Mary (a sister who was there at his birth, and later led Israelite women across the Red Sea before she was suppressed in favor of brother Aaron); Christianity had both mother Mary and girlfriend/wife Mary Magdelene, who sponsored Jesus' missions (Magdelene was later suppressed by the Church, which pushed Mary the mother to the forefront in order to hide Mary Magdelene's contributions; that's supposed to be the hidden secret behind the Protestant movement: a different Mary, a much wealthier Mary who made Jesus' religious revolution possible, therefore money can once again make Protestant movement against existing Church possible; the Da Vinci code was supposed to show that the Apostle John , Jesus' favorite Apostle in the Gospels, was actually Mary Magdelene! Was that theory for real? Da Vinci's sponsors the Medicis apparently believed in it and later helped finance both Martin Luther and John Calvin, as well as making its way into the inner circles of the Church of England); Mohammed of course had his Mary the wealthy widow that he married, the one who sponsored his early political-religious revolutions. Likewise the post-industrial Judaism-derived religions such as Marxism and Wokism also promote women's roles before they succeed in taking over societies (then suppress women after take-over).

Why this repeating pattern? Because women crave chaos, and instinctively want to up-end the existing order. So any revolutionary, including religious revolutionaries, take advantage of that "feminine energy" before they have succeeded in taking over a society. Then suppress women in order to consolidate power after they succeed, so they don't get up-ended themselves.
111   Patrick   2023 Nov 9, 2:27pm  

https://thedailyscroll.substack.com/p/what-happened-today-special-edition-2f1


On Wednesday, the pro-Israel media watchdog Honest Reporting revealed that several Gaza-based photojournalists whose work appears in Reuters, the AP, CNN, and The New York Times accompanied Hamas fighters during their Oct. 7 raid into southern Israel. During the attacks, the local photographers accompanied the Hamas fighters and captured photos of in-progress kidnappings, beatings, and lynchings that were later uploaded to Western wire services. Social media users subsequently discovered a photo of one of those journalists, Hassan Eslaiah, who has worked with the AP and CNN, posing with Hamas leader and Oct. 7 mastermind Yahya Sinwar:




Yes, that’s Sinwar kissing Eslaiah on the cheek—seems like they know each other, right? HonestReporting also noted, based on images from the photographers’ social media feeds, that the “journalists” did not identify themselves as press while documenting war crimes and taking the photos that they later sold to Western media outlets.

Both the AP and CNN announced Thursday that they were cutting ties with Eslaiah in the wake of these revelations. The New York Times was more defiant, attacking HonestReporting for what it called its “reckless” and “vague” allegations against the Gaza photojournalists. “The accusation that anyone at The New York Times had advance knowledge of the Hamas attacks or accompanied Hamas terrorists during the attacks is untrue and outrageous,” the paper wrote, adding that there is “There is no evidence for Honest Reporting’s insinuations.”

The Times’ statement is dishonest on its face. The allegations were neither reckless nor vague, and the evidence that the photojournalists accompanied Hamas on their raid is that they took pictures of it, which were then posted to the AP and Reuters photo wires. Nor did Honest Reporting accuse the New York Times of having advance knowledge of the Hamas attacks. What it did was raise an obvious point: how did those journalists find themselves at the scene of the attacks, including in kibbutzim inside Israel? Although it is unlikely that they were informed of Hamas’ larger plans, it seems equally implausible that they just happened to show up in the right place at the right time, especially given that the operation began early in the morning, involved breaching the Israeli border fence, and was so top-secret that it blindsided Israeli intelligence. A more plausible scenario is that Hamas considered these “journalists” an integral part of their propaganda operation (that would explain why Sinwar seemed so pleased to see Eslaiah) and had planned to have them accompany the raiding force with the understanding that they would help publicize Hamas’ exploits.
112   AD   2023 Nov 9, 6:51pm  

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U.S. forces under fire in Middle East as America slides towards brink

https://news.yahoo.com/u-forces-under-fire-middle-090314128.html

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113   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 9, 7:19pm  

Reality says

Why this repeating pattern? Because women crave chaos, and instinctively want to up-end the existing order. So any revolutionary, including religious revolutionaries, take advantage of that "feminine energy" before they have succeeded in taking over a society. Then suppress women in order to consolidate power after they succeed, so they don't get up-ended themselves.

Where you see Jews, I see Roman pagans. All roads lead to Rome. Rome never fell, it was simply reborn as Roman Catholicism.

And you are overly critical of women. Every evil attributed to women has been achieved by men equally if not more so. Evil is evil. One of the great evils of our day is that men don’t know how/are afraid to be men and women refuse to be women.
114   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 9, 7:23pm  




Reminds me of a similar incident in this country



Remember him? The “reporter” posing as a Trump supporter inside the Capitol on Jan 6?
115   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 10, 2:37am  

Patrick says

https://slaynews.com/news/cnn-reporter-admits-taking-part-hamas-terror-attacks-had-prior-knowledge-assault-israel/

CNN Reporter Took Part in Hamas Terror Attacks, Had Prior Knowledge of Assault on Israel


Been saying this for years. Almost all of the photographers and most reporters that are contracted/freelance for Western Outlets in the Middle East are pro-Muslim Brotherhood/Islamicist Terror.
116   NuttBoxer   2023 Nov 10, 6:29am  

Here's a website rather than a telegram account stating same about IDF shooting civilians at the concert. Article mostly references Grayzone article I already mentioned several weeks ago. Not sure there's really anything new here:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

But for those referencing over 1,000 Israeli and Palestinians killed that day, keep in mind you have no idea how many were killed by Hamas or IDF. And bottom line, this was still allowed to happen.

You all know who we blame every time thousands of illegals are allowed to pour into our country, and it's not Mexico...
117   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 10, 9:50am  

NuttBoxer says


You all know who we blame every time thousands of illegals are allowed to pour into our country, and it's not Mexico...

Yep, the multi-billion dollar J-org running the Casas de Migrante.
https://sjme.org/en/home/
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/grants/past?grant_id=OR2018-47462
https://www.jesuits.org/our-work/justice-and-ecology/migration-and-immigration/

Just like Francis boosts them into Europe:

"Rejection of Migrants is Sinful, Criminal" - Francis.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2022/10/09/pope-francis-europes-rejection-of-migrants-is-disgusting-sinful-and-criminal/
https://www.jesuits.org/our-work/justice-and-ecology/migration-and-immigration/
https://jrseurope.org/en/home/
J for Jesuits of Course.
118   Ceffer   2023 Nov 10, 10:31am  

Since the 'migrants' have credit cards and even have been caught complaining that the money isn't replenished fast enough for them, who pays the ever renewing monthly credit cards? The Vatican through our Treasury, since the Vatican runs the IRS? How exactly is this gangster money issued by fiat? Curious minds wish to know the origins of the payrolls. Our own money used against us, how Satanically sweet?

Woo says the Vatican gives every politician of note a passbook that they can draw down at will, with the amounts depending on their importance, a million up to hundred million. IF they dip into it, they are pledged to the Vatican (P2/P3 Masons aka Black Nobility mafia) in obedience under threat of death? They sell their soul for rock 'n roll.

Who else has the comms and the clout in Latin America to pull this off but the Jesuits? The Church knows that an ignorant, semi literate or illiterate, barefoot and pregnant human group is an obedient group to dominate.

So, is the assault partly Jesuit subversive insurrectionist Illuminati revenge for the 650 plane loads of recovered gold by Trump and 'white hats'?
119   Ceffer   2023 Nov 10, 11:45pm  

Does anybody even acknowledge that the Red Queen has caught everybody in the Mideast up?

https://t.me/drue86/47852
120   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 11, 4:16am  

Ceffer says


Does anybody even acknowledge that the Red Queen has caught everybody in the Mideast up?




I call BS. Got any proof?
121   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 11, 4:25am  

Ceffer says


Does anybody even acknowledge that the Red Queen has caught everybody in the Mideast up?


I’ve read that Walter Reed medical center is filling up with injured military from bases in the Middle East that are under attack by drones from Iranian proxies. We have proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, and multiple front proxy war with Iran in the Middle East.

But the real enemy is the one we are not allowed to know let alone talk about. The globalist banksters who covertly control nearly every nation, bank and military.

124   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 12, 1:07pm  

The_Deplorable says





https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/self-defence-and-the-right-to-resist-in-palestine/


Except Israel had no boots in Gaza since what, 2005? The obvious BS in the argument is that the guy is trying to stretch a blocade into an occupation. Blocade doesn't fit the definition of an occupation.

Here, right ftom the ICRCs horse mouth:


125   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 12, 6:50pm  

RWSGFY says
"Except Israel had no boots in Gaza since what, 2005?"

That does not make Gaza an Independent state. Gaza is still under Israeli control and it is under Israeli occupation. Therefore claiming self defense is an invalid argument because the attack originated in an occupied territory inside Israel.



126   Ceffer   2023 Nov 12, 11:24pm  

Well, the 9/11 false flag killed 3000 outright and possibly tens of thousands indirectly through secondary toxicity. So, all in all, the IDF blasting a few Israelis was pretty cheap for a false flag.

Time and Money: The Economy and the Planets
127   NuttBoxer   2023 Nov 13, 11:13am  

If you control the electricity, water, and entry and exit for a region, you control the region. Gaza has more in common with a prison than a country.
128   socal2   2023 Nov 13, 11:37am  

The_Deplorable says

That does not make Gaza an Independent state. Gaza is still under Israeli control and it is under Israeli occupation. Therefore claiming self defense is an invalid argument because the attack originated in an occupied territory inside Israel.


I see that the same pro-Islamist morons who don't know the meaning of words like gENoCIDe are trying to claim Gaza was occupied by Jews before 10/7.
129   Reality   2023 Nov 13, 2:38pm  

socal2 says


The_Deplorable says


That does not make Gaza an Independent state. Gaza is still under Israeli control and it is under Israeli occupation. Therefore claiming self defense is an invalid argument because the attack originated in an occupied territory inside Israel.


I see that the same pro-Islamist morons who don't know the meaning of words like gENoCIDe are trying to claim Gaza was occupied by Jews before 10/7.



Pretending Gaza was independent (instead of being occupied but granted some degree of internal self-rule) before 10/7 would actually make the case worse for Israel: blockading is an act of war under international laws, so an attack / counter-attack from the blockaded would be legal self-defense not terrorism.
130   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 13, 2:57pm  

The_Deplorable says



Hello? Gaza was not occupied by Israel before 10/7?


Not according to IRCC's commentary on Geneva Conventions, it was not. The text is not that complicated.

The_Deplorable says


So before 10/7 Gaza was what, an Independent State? This is more nonsense without a basis in fact.


Not a state, because nobody recognized it as such*. More like rogue province ran by warlords, who openly declared the goal to take over the entirety of what is now recognized as the territory of the state of Israel.

*) The UN does call the whole entirery of "Pallestinian territories" the State of Palestine, but Gaza alone is not it and Hamas is in open defiance of Palestinian Authority.
131   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 13, 3:00pm  

socal2 says
"I see that the same pro-Islamist morons who don't know the meaning of words like gENoCIDe..."

This is an ad hominem attack without rhyme or reason. You just lost the debate by posting this nonsense.

socal2 says
"I see that the same pro-Islamist morons who don't know the meaning of words like gENoCIDe are trying to claim Gaza was occupied by Jews before 10/7. "

Hello? Gaza was not occupied by Israel before 10/7? So before 10/7 Gaza was what, an Independent State? This is more nonsense without a basis in fact.
132   Bd6r   2023 Nov 13, 3:26pm  

The_Deplorable says

Hello? Gaza was not occupied by Israel before 10/7? So before 10/7 Gaza was what, an Independent State? This is more nonsense without a basis in fact.

There are more choices than just occupied and an Independent State. See Puerto Rico with federal-imposed trade limitations, for example.
133   Bd6r   2023 Nov 13, 3:30pm  

Patrick says


A new report has revealed that a CNN reporter was “embedded” with Hamas when the terrorist group launched its brutal attacks against Israel on October 7.

Hassan Eslaiah, who has also worked for the Associated Press, posted several images and videos on Twitter/X that were taken during the attack. ...

Fact that journalwhores knew about attack destroys the idea that Israelis did not know of the attack. Must have been a deliberate "overlooking"
The question is why? It kills Bibi and his coalition chances of re-election.
134   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 13, 3:30pm  

Bd6r says


The_Deplorable says


Hello? Gaza was not occupied by Israel before 10/7? So before 10/7 Gaza was what, an Independent State? This is more nonsense without a basis in fact.

There are more choices than just occupied and an Independent State. See Puerto Rico with federal-imposed trade limitations, for example.



PR would be closer to occupied state than Gaza. Strictly by Geneva Convention definitions. But technically it's a dominion, iirc.
135   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 13, 3:34pm  

Bd6r says
"There are more choices than just occupied and an Independent State. See Puerto Rico with federal-imposed trade limitations, for example."

Nonsense. The notion that Gaza is like Puerto Rico in the United States is another garbage argument and more bunk. Give it a rest. The fact remains: Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.
136   Bd6r   2023 Nov 13, 3:35pm  

The_Deplorable says

Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?
137   socal2   2023 Nov 13, 3:55pm  

Bd6r says

The_Deplorable says


Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?


The Jew haters are just like the blue haired LGBTQ+ retards changing the definition of words (like gender) to match "their emotional truth". These are the same people who will tell us that Hamas' genocidal chant "From the River to the Sea" doesn't mean wiping out all the Jews in Israel.
138   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 13, 4:20pm  

Bd6r says
"Occupied by which definition?"

Seized and controlled by the Israeli military. Gaza is not an independent state.
139   Ceffer   2023 Nov 13, 4:41pm  

More baloney and blame shifting. If Bibi had thought that, he would never have escalated as has been done. Also, why is there no purge of the responsible individuals if that were known?

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/56175
141   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 13, 5:56pm  

The_Deplorable says

Seized and controlled by the Israeli military.


Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal.
142   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 13, 5:57pm  

Bd6r says

The_Deplorable says

Gaza is occupied

Occupied by which definition?


Since the whole covfefe started with Soviet rep to UN (the one that looks like a giant penis) has stated that Israel doesn't have the right of self-defence based on court decision which in turns based on the Geneva convention, the definition of occupation should be also derived from that convention.
143   Ceffer   2023 Nov 13, 7:49pm  

He simply succeeded in making Bibi a better educated, more skilled psychopath, and he realized it.

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/112358
144   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 14, 8:43am  

Eric Holder says
[Gaza] "Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal."

You are spouting nonsense.

1. Gaza is not an independent state. If it is, why don't you say so? Hello?

2. Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.

Give it a rest. You are posting fake news and propaganda.
145   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 14, 9:10am  

The_Deplorable says


Eric Holder says

[Gaza] "Wasn't neither seized nor controlled by Israeli military after 2005 withdrawal."

You are spouting nonsense.

1. Gaza is not an independent state. If it is, why don't you say so? Hello?

2. Gaza is occupied and controlled by Israel.

Give it a rest. You are posting fake news and propaganda.



Dude, lay off thr personal crap.

Go read the definition of occupation in the Hague convention or ICRC commentary on it. The status of occupied territory has nothing to do with the statehood - it's defined in purely military terms of territorial control.

The piece of what UN calls the State of Palestine was neither independent state in itself nor occupied territory after 2005.

UPD. Here, I'll help:

1. What is occupation?
Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations (HR) states that a " territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. "

According to their common Article 2, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 apply to any territory occupied during international hostilities. They also apply in situations where the occupation of state territory meets with no armed resistance.

The legality of any particular occupation is regulated by the UN Charter and the law known as jus ad bellum. Once a situation exists which factually amounts to an occupation the law of occupation applies – whether or not the occupation is considered lawful.

Therefore, for the applicability of the law of occupation, it makes no difference whether an occupation has received Security Council approval, what its aim is, or indeed whether it is called an “invasion”, “liberation”, “administration” or “occupation”. As the law of occupation is primarily motivated by humanitarian considerations, it is solely the facts on the ground that determine its application.

2. When does the law of occupation start to apply?
The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territori es become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.

The question of " control " calls up at least two different interpretations. It could be taken to mean that a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory. So, for example, advancing troops could be considered bound by the law of occupation already during the invasion phase of hostilities. This is the approach suggested in the ICRC's Commentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention (1958).

An alternative and more restrictive approach would be to say that a situation of occupation exists only once a party to a conflict is in a position to exercise sufficient authority over enemy territory to enable it to discharge all of the duties imposed by the law of occupation. This approach is adopted by a number of military manuals.



PS. Words have meanings. I'm sick and tired of fucking libs constantly trying to redefine fucking words!
146   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 14, 9:20am  

RWSGFY says
"Dude, lay off thr personal crap."

Stop changing the subject and answer the question!

If Gaza is an independent state then why don't you say so? Changing the subject is not an answer

The fact remains that Gaza is not an independent state and it is occupied by Israel.
147   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 14, 9:24am  

The_Deplorable says


RWSGFY says

"Dude, lay off thr personal crap."

Stop changing the subject and answer the question!

If Gaza is an independent state then why don't you say so? Changing the subject is not an answer

The fact remains that Gaza is not an independent state and it is occupied by Israel.



I've answered the question many times: Gaza is not independent state, not state at all, was occupied prior to 2005, was not occupied after and is in the process of being re-occupied after the Oct 07 genocidal Nazi attack on Israel. Anything else?

Now go read the definitionmof occupation as defined by the international conventions, not some pink-haired campus lesbo.

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