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How is this news? It was all known before the trial yet the jury convicted Chauvin. I heard one criminal defence lawyer once saying that even with bombproof, rock-solid defence of somebody innocence there is only 50% chance at best to ge acquitted at jury trial. (This was said in context of discussion of self-defense with deadly weapon).

Ceffer says

Not everything was a lie. His name WAS George Floyd, wasn't it?

Even that's not accurate! It's George Perry Floyd Jr. as per the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd . "George Floyd" without the "Jr." part presumably identifies his father.

PeopleUnited says

not watching the man in his custody and they kept leaning on him about two minutes after he died before realizing something was wrong

How much were the police distracted by the hostile crowd? In that kind of situation and with that kind of crowd, the police are fearing for their life.

I agree with previous poster that the police's biggest mistake was allowing Floyd out of the police vehicle. Open the other side of the vehicle and pull Floyd fully in; close both doors. Allowing Floyd out of the vehicle might bring calm to a reasonable arrestee, but nothing is going to calm a drug-induced rage.

SunnyvaleCA says

PeopleUnited says

not watching the man in his custody and they kept leaning on him about two minutes after he died before realizing something was wrong

How much were the police distracted by the hostile crowd? In that kind of situation and with that kind of crowd, the police are fearing for their life.

I agree with previous poster that the police's biggest mistake was allowing Floyd out of the police vehicle. Open the other side of the vehicle and pull Floyd fully in; close both doors. Allowing Floyd out of the vehicle might bring calm to a reasonable arrestee, but nothing is going to calm a drug-induced rage.

If the situation was unsafe the officers should have left the scene.

Patrick says

Experts have testified under oath that he did die while under Chauvins knee. That is why he is,was on trial. The circumstances were unfair, but Chauvin was more worried about the crowd than the fact his prisoner stopped breathing. That is his mistake. He should not have allowed the crowd to distract him.

PeopleUnited says

SunnyvaleCA says

PeopleUnited says

not watching the man in his custody and they kept leaning on him about two minutes after he died before realizing something was wrong

How much were the police distracted by the hostile crowd? In that kind of situation and with that kind of crowd, the police are fearing for their life.

I agree with previous poster that the police's biggest mistake was allowing Floyd out of the police vehicle. Open the other side of the vehicle and pull Floyd fully in; close both doors. Allowing Floyd out of the vehicle might bring calm to a reasonable arrestee, but nothing is going to calm a drug-induced rage.

If the situation was unsafe the officers should have left the scene.

Uvalde police, yes. Other police take their jobs seriously.

Dismissing the clear fact that George died under Derek and the other officers knees. Nice.

This is not the first time officers knelt on a drug user until they died. https://www.wftv.com/news/deep-viral/youre-gonna-kill-me-body-cameras-show-mans-death-at-hands-of-dallas-cops/972034712/

I hope you never get treated like that.

Free Derek Chauvin NOW… (along with the rest of the officers that were prosecuted and convicted of crimes they didn't commit).

This won’t come as a shock to you, but nearly everything you were told about the George Floyd case and the conviction of police officer Derek Chauvin was a lie. Newly released court documents now confirm that George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, not from asphyxiation.

In other words, George Floyd was not murdered.

More here: https://revolver.news/2023/10/free-derek-chauvin-now/

PeopleUnited says

I hope you never get treated like that.

Why would any reasonable person decide to fight it out with a bunch of popos on the street even if you believe the arrest is not legal? You still gonna get arrested and dragged to jail simply because the numbers are against you. Why do it hard way if the outcome is ultimately the same? Fight it in court, duh.

RayAmerica says

Free Derek Chauvin NOW… (along with the rest of the officers that were prosecuted and convicted of crimes they didn't commit).

This is not how it works, unfortunately. But he's taking it all the way to SCOTUS.

Eric Holder says

PeopleUnited says

I hope you never get treated like that.

Why would any reasonable person decide to fight it out with a bunch of popos on the street even if you believe the arrest is not legal? You still gonna get arrested and dragged to jail simply because the numbers are against you. Why do it hard way if the outcome is ultimately the same? Fight it in court, duh.

Have you ever considered that he was a drug addict and therefore by definition unreasonable and not in good health?

RayAmerica says

In other words, George Floyd was not murdered.

George died under the knees of three officers and they stayed on top of him for two minutes after he died. He said he could not breath. The witnesses said that George was in distress. Whether he was murdered or died of an overdose, we know for certain that the police did nothing to prevent his death. If anything their actions guaranteed the end result.

Everyone made mistakes that day. George passed a fake bill and was on illicit drugs. Then he refused to stay in the car when arrested. Prior to that, the business owner never should have called the police to begin with. They accepted a fake bill, it was their mistake to accept it in the first place.

The police should have just put the cuffs on him and let him lie or stand until the ambulance comes. Even if he runs he is not going to get far.

The crowd should have shut up and let the police do their job. They distracted the cops so much they sat on a dead man for over 2 minutes.

The ambulance was late. Why did that take so long, maybe they wanted a false flag.

PeopleUnited says

Have you ever considered that he was a drug addict and therefore by definition unreasonable and not in good health?

That's exactly the point. To what lengths the society is obliged to preserve somebody's life if he himself is not keen on preserving it and is doing everyting to end it prematurely and is acting in an anti-social manner? How would a cop know the level of drugs in the suspect's system and the pre-existing conditions he has? Is being in poor physical and mental health a permission to roam free and do as you want, laws be damned? (The latter seems to be the case in SF and Oakland and the results are not pretty for EVERYBODY).

Eric Holder says

the results are not pretty for EVERYBODY).

The results of that botched arrest destroyed parts of this city and even other parts of the country and the world. That arrest was botched, and as it turns out, letting him go with a warning would have saved lives, maybe even his.

PeopleUnited says

Eric Holder says

the results are not pretty for EVERYBODY).

The results of that botched arrest destroyed parts of this city and even other parts of the country and the world. That arrest was botched, and as it turns out, letting him go with a warning would have saved lives, maybe even his.

Not the results of the arrest, but the results of non-enforcement of existing anti-riot laws.

PS. How would YOU handle the arrest of big, rowdy, drugged out but ultimately fragile and mentally deficient guy who absolutely dead seat of not going back inside? Tazer? Tranquilizer darts? That'd kill him for sure. Just let anybody who refuses to be arrested go? Isn't it what "progressive" DAs tried in SF, Oakland and such?

PeopleUnited says

The results of that botched arrest destroyed parts of this city and even other parts of the country and the world. That arrest was botched, and as it turns out, letting him go with a warning would have saved lives, maybe even his.

Never forget how the media played the incident, over and over and over again, just as they did the edited Rodney King video. They stoked the flames that resulted in dozens of innocent people being killed, many more injured, hundreds of businesses ruined, and the racial divide made wider than it ever was before.

Eric Holder says

PeopleUnited says

Eric Holder says

the results are not pretty for EVERYBODY).

The results of that botched arrest destroyed parts of this city and even other parts of the country and the world. That arrest was botched, and as it turns out, letting him go with a warning would have saved lives, maybe even his.

Not the results of the arrest, but the results of non-enforcement of existing anti-riot laws.

PS. How would YOU handle the arrest of big, rowdy, drugged out but ultimately fragile and mentally deficient guy who absolutely dead seat of not going back inside? Tazer? Tranquilizer darts? That'd kill him for sure. Just let anybody who refuses to be arrested go? Isn't it what "progressive" DAs tried in SF, Oakland and such?

No, we don’t need to let him go. Slap some cuffs on him, which they did. And if he refuses to lie down or sit and wait for the ambulance then track him. Put an rfid on him like a apple airtag. But don’t have three officers kneel on his corpse for two minutes after he stops breathing, on cell phone cameras! It’s not rocket science. They screwed up a rather simple task, in a big way.

RayAmerica says

PeopleUnited says

The results of that botched arrest destroyed parts of this city and even other parts of the country and the world. That arrest was botched, and as it turns out, letting him go with a warning would have saved lives, maybe even his.

Never forget how the media played the incident, over and over and over again, just as they did the edited Rodney King video. They stoked the flames that resulted in dozens of innocent people being killed, many more injured, hundreds of businesses ruined, and the racial divide made wider than it ever was before.

Yes the media made more of it than it needed to be. But the officers botched this one big time. When you kneel on a guy until two minutes after he’s dead, you have failed bigly. It’s amazing that people can see kneeling on a sick, drugged but at that point defenseless man, long enough to see him say I can’t breath, call to his mother that he is dying and then die, only to have them kneel on him for another two minutes after he met his maker, as ok.

PeopleUnited says

When you kneel on a guy until two minutes after he’s dead, you have failed bigly. It’s amazing that people can see kneeling on a sick, drugged but at that point defenseless man, long enough to see him say I can’t breath, call to his mother that he is dying and then die

You haven't watched the bodycam footage, HAVE YOU?

Been around forever, and you've never bothered to check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkEGGLu_fNU

Stop having opinions before you actually have all the information you can obtain.

PeopleUnited says

It’s amazing that people can see kneeling on a sick, drugged but at that point defenseless man, long enough to see him say I can’t breath, call to his mother that he is dying and then die, only to have them kneel on him for another two minutes after he met his maker, as ok.

yeah, poor guy

PeopleUnited says

I hope you never get treated like that.

rule no. 1 don't fight with police
rule no. 2 don't forget rule no. 1

Actually rule number one would be don’t do drugs. But if you do, I guess people think it’s ok to kneel on you until your corpse has been limp for two minutes.

Pfff, track him? He'll rid of that tracking device and cuffs in 10 minutes after he's out of sight and reconnected with his ghetto buddies.

This leftoid touchy-feely "why didn't you shoot him in the leg with a paintball marker" shit doesn't work IRL.

PeopleUnited says

It’s amazing that people can see kneeling on a sick, drugged but at that point defenseless man, long enough to see him say I can’t breath, call to his mother that he is dying and then die, only to have them kneel on him for another two minutes after he met his maker, as ok.

Except, the kneeling didn't kill him. Read the official autopsy report that Patrick posted.

PeopleUnited,

While you defend the sainted memory of George Floyd against these ravenous wolves in here, just remember, you have a friend that agrees with you:

Pelosi Thanks George Floyd for 'Sacrificing Your Life for Justice' After Verdict

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nancy+pelosi+thanks+george+floyd&t=brave&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dlb-8cOjkFO4

8 officers involved in Jayland Walker's shooting death are back on active duty, officials say

The shooting death of Walker, a black man, sparked protests and criminal prosecution of the officers, who were ultimately not indicted by a grand jury in the incident

Walker shot at police prior to fleeing his car. During the chase, officers determined that he was again going to shoot because he had reached into his waistband. Walker was killed, being shot 46 times by a number of police officers on the scene.

"By all accounts, Jayland Walker was a good person, a good man."

Surprise, surprise. The family has filed a $45 million lawsuit against the City of Akron, the Police Department and the Police Chief.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/8-officers-involved-in-jayland-walkers-shooting-death-are-back-on-active-duty-officials-say/4795235/

Moral of the story; shooting at armed police officers is never a good choice. You really could end up dead.

RayAmerica says

PeopleUnited says

It’s amazing that people can see kneeling on a sick, drugged but at that point defenseless man, long enough to see him say I can’t breath, call to his mother that he is dying and then die, only to have them kneel on him for another two minutes after he met his maker, as ok.

Except, the kneeling didn't kill him. Read the official autopsy report that Patrick posted.

He died under the knees of the police. The cameras tell the same story. Cause of death? Stupidity on all parties. Everyone at the scene, including the deceased f’d up big time that day.

https://www.insider.com/3rd-george-floyd-body-cam-video-horrified-crowd-tou-thao-2020-8

RWSGFY says

Pfff, track him? He'll rid of that tracking device and cuffs in 10 minutes after he's out of sight and reconnected with his ghetto buddies.

And then what? O knoes!

By the way I never said let him run away, I said follow him/track him. Put on the leg cuffs!

Just under no circumstances kneel on his corpse!!!!

RayAmerica says

PeopleUnited,

While you defend the sainted memory of George Floyd against these ravenous wolves in here, just remember, you have a friend that agrees with you:

Pelosi Thanks George Floyd for 'Sacrificing Your Life for Justice' After Verdict

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nancy+pelosi+thanks+george+floyd&t=brave&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dlb-8cOjkFO4

Hahahahaha! You funny!! Nice strawman is that made of your dirty toilet paper because it sure smells like it!

I’m not calling the deceased a saint. I’m calling out the abject failure of the cops who knelt on their criminal suspect for two minutes after he died, the irresponsible crowd who unnecessarily distracted the cops, the ambulance that was slow to arrive and the stupid store owner/employee who never should have accepted the fake $20 let alone waste the time and effort to call the police over a matter of $20. Did they ever get that $20 back?

https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1661807042099838976

The Fall of Minneapolis

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Minneapolis PD Policy in force authorizing MRT (Maximum Restraint Technique) at the time Officer Chauvin used it is Policy# 5-316.

Multiple FIB Agents were present in the Coroner's office demanding a briefing within 24 hours of Floyd's Arrest and Overdose Death.

An issue that was completely a local crime with no interstate characteristics and not relevant to federalization.

Note the date is the 26th of May; Floyd was arrested the afternoon of the 25th.