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True cost of charging an EV is equivalent to paying $17.33 a gallon.


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2023 Dec 15, 6:13am   7,436 views  131 comments

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True cost of charging an EV is equivalent to paying $17.33 a gallon of gas, per new report

By Olivia Murray

In October, I wrote an essay on a “bombshell report” from a Texas think tank “which revealed that the actual cost of rechargeable cars and the E.V. industry is, in reality, much higher than they’re leading us to believe.”

The report is around 20-pages long, so I was only able to cover one of the explosive revelations—the average battery-powered car (E.V.) would cost “approximately $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period” were it not for the “staggering” handouts from the taxpayer via an extortionary and feckless government—but there were more.

Now, not only were the energy experts able to quantify the additional cost over time, but they were also able to put a dollar amount on the real cost of charging the vehicle, translated into price per gallon of gasoline. As you might guess, the price is astronomical, but that’s not the the end of it.

While EV advocates claim charging costs are equivalent to $1.21-per-gallon gasoline, the real amount is an order of magnitude more.

Including the charging equipment, subsidies from governments and utilities and other frequently excluded expenses, the true cost of charging an EV is equivalent to $17.33-per-gallon gasoline — but the EV owner pays less than 7% of that.

So if the E.V. owner pays less than 7% of that massively inflated cost to “fuel” a car, that means more than 93% of the financial burden falls on the taxpayer—as the NY Post authors also write:

This is socialism for the rich: a transfer of costs from higher net-worth individuals to middle- and lower-income taxpayers.

It’s the equivalent of levying taxes and fees on public-transportation users and those who walk or bicycle to work and using the money to reduce the price of gasoline.

At this stage, E.V.s, if forced to stand on their own, are an utter failure, and as I noted in my previous blog, bad ideas and inferior products only find security in a “free” market… rigorously controlled by big government fascists. If our market were truly free, an extremely expensive car that can spontaneously combust, only works in a limited temperature range, occasionally malfunctions and locks occupants inside before rolling backwards into bodies of water, and costs $17.33 per “gallon” to “fuel” up, would be dead on arrival—as it should be.

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121   SoTex   2024 Jan 12, 8:17am  

SunnyvaleCA says


Toyota Murai


I've been stuck behind those (or maybe the same guy) in stop and go traffic on my daily commute in SD. It shoots what looks like a urine stream out the back of the car and when we got lucky enough to reach maybe 40mph it would bounce off of the pavement and hit my windshield. I hate getting behind those things.
122   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 12, 8:21am  

just_passing_through says


SunnyvaleCA says


Toyota Murai


I've been stuck behind those (or maybe the same guy) in stop and go traffic on my daily commute in SD. It shoots what looks like a urine stream out the back of the car and when we got lucky enough to reach maybe 40mph it would bounce off of the pavement and hit my windshield. I hate getting behind those things.



It's water, but it is annoying AF.

PS. They are practically giving them away now: you can buy a 2yo off-lease Mirai for $18-19K and it comes with a $15K "gas card".
123   SunnyvaleCA   2024 Jan 12, 1:20pm  

just_passing_through says

SunnyvaleCA says



Toyota Murai


I've been stuck behind those (or maybe the same guy) in stop and go traffic on my daily commute in SD. It shoots what looks like a urine stream out the back of the car and when we got lucky enough to reach maybe 40mph it would bounce off of the pavement and hit my windshield. I hate getting behind those things.

That's annoying. I've only seen steam coming out of them, but maybe I was lucky enough to have one clogging the road in front of me on a warm day.
124   GNL   2024 Jan 12, 4:13pm  

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hertz-sell-20-000-evs-143449475.html

(Bloomberg) -- Hertz Global Holdings Inc. plans to sell a third of its US electric vehicle fleet and reinvest in gas-powered cars due to weak demand and high repair costs for its battery-powered options.
125   socal2   2024 Jan 12, 4:37pm  

EV sales reached a record 18% of total Global Vehicle Sales in 2023. The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car IN THE ENTIRE WORLD in 2023.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electric-vehicle-sales-by-model-2023/#:~:text=Electric%20vehicle%20(EV)%20sales%20are,increasingly%20look%20to%20electric%20options

You guys act like there is no demand for good EV's like Tesla. Most of this growth kicked in before the big government incentives took place. Face it, if you don't have to constantly tow heavy loads or drive cross country, Tesla's are superior vehicles for the majority of the population that can charge their cars at home at night.

Tesla is scaling and revolutionizing battery and manufacturing production like no other breaking all automotive records in terms of margins and production efficiency.

It will take 25 years to beef up our energy grid, power plants (hopefully new nuke plants) and additional mining/processing to meet total demand. But if we can build the Empire State Building in under 2 years 100 years ago, I am confident we can still build great things in this country if we aren't retarded.

Within 50 years we will have nearly a closed loop system where we will have enough batteries to recycle avoiding the need for new mining. It is already much easier/cheaper to process some rare earth metals out of existing batteries than mining/processing new.
126   WookieMan   2024 Jan 12, 5:26pm  

socal2 says

It will take 25 years to beef up our energy grid, power plants (hopefully new nuke plants) and additional mining/processing to meet total demand. But if we can build the Empire State Building in under 2 years 100 years ago, I am confident we can still build great things in this country if we aren't retarded.

We can't and won't. That has been my point. I never even mentioned sales and don't care. EV owners are going to pay for that build out and probably be dead before it becomes realistic. In the meantime you WILL be taxed extra via vehicle registration for MFT AND electric rates to build the new power plants. It's not an if conversation. It's when and I think it will be 2025.

I understand the tech. I have an electric golf cart to tool around town. I installed everything myself. I know how long it takes to charge. I have a miniature version of a Tesla. I've driven a Tesla multiple times. We're talking about costs here. They're going up. Or you can drop another $30k on a solar setup like Eman did. A Tesla is a $100k waste if you want it zero energy. That money could have been put into more productive investments that would easily cover a $10k/yr gas bill (high).

Trust me, your EV registration is probably going to go up by a factor of 5 and maybe more annually. Depending on state. My wife is a prominent national figure in road building industry. MFT is the majority of taxes used for roads and EV's aren't paying a dime. That time is coming to an end whether you like it or not. If people pay X% for MFT with gas, they're going to get it from EV drivers as well. You can't just use infrastructure for free.

The mining is wasteful for sure. We have an entire system in place for ICE vehicles. The future is hybrid. If we just double EV charging our grid is fucked. So everyone is fucked because you want an electric car?? You've gotta a pay for it and you guys will. Trust me. The day of reckoning is coming.
127   socal2   2024 Jan 12, 6:35pm  

WookieMan says

The mining is wasteful for sure. We have an entire system in place for ICE vehicles. The future is hybrid.


We can reuse what we mine over and over again, as opposed to burning oil once.

We have an entire electric grid already in place for EV's. Same shit we have been using over 100 years. Just plug it in at your home like you do your phone. Tesla is already beefing up electric grids all over the world deploying their major Mega storage battery packs. More work to be done for sure as more EV's come on line.

Hybrids have tremendous complexity, costs and more to go wrong having ICE engines, electric motors, batteries and transmissions just to get an extra 50-100 miles of range. Hybrids are tremendously lame.

WookieMan says

We're talking about costs here. They're going up.


I can afford a luxury sedan. It is not really a cost issue for me, even though I have been making out like a bandit economically for the last half decade driving my Bolt and Model Y.

So even if it costs more (it doesn't right now) I would be willing to pay the premium to enjoy superior driving experience, fun and practicality of a Tesla over anything else.

Seriously, if someone offered me a Plaid Model X or S or Cybertruck over a Bugatti or Lamborghini - I am taking the Tesla every time.
128   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jan 14, 8:08am  

socal2 says

It will take 25 years to beef up our energy grid, power plants (hopefully new nuke plants) and additional mining/processing to meet total demand


Not going to happen.

.socal2 says

But if we can build the Empire State Building in under 2 years 100 years ago


Didn't require new mines, rare earths nor a rebuilt grid.

How do you function in life?
129   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jan 14, 8:10am  

socal2 says

We can reuse what we mine over and over again, as opposed to burning oil once.


Jesus Christ! You have to mine first virgin materials before you recycle. And the recycling claim is bullshit anyway because of the way they construct EVs.
130   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jan 14, 8:11am  

socal2 says

We have an entire electric grid already in place for EV's.


Again, what bullshit world do you live in?

We have an entire electric grid in place for powering everything else BUT EVs.
131   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jan 14, 8:12am  

socal2 says

Hybrids have tremendous complexity, costs and more to go wrong having ICE engines, electric motors, batteries and transmissions just to get an extra 50-100 miles of range. Hybrids are tremendously lame.


EV battery stacks have over 2000 components in them.

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