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I think the older Conservatives are starting to soften on Bud Light. I think because they have a lot of fond memories drinking Bud Light, and this whole dust up is tainting those memories. I have ran across several people over 65 that says Bud Light is coming back, "Did you see their new cans?".

money talks fast, republicans sell their principles out to highest bidder just the same.

It's fucking crap beer manufactured in bulk. Change the label, the name and the advertising campaign and move on.

One thing I noticed is all of the other distributors pulled back and propped Bud Light up.
Yuengling and Modelo could have over taken Bud Light as the number one beer in America. But instead they raised their price and throttled production.
Yuengling selling like it's a premium import beer now. While before this they were always an affordable retail domestic beer. They are neck and neck with Guinness in price. They were always several dollars cheaper a six pack before the Bud Light dust up. If Becks and St Paulie Girl can sell a 12 pack under $13.00 then there's just no reason why Yuengling is selling 6 packs for $10.99 and 12 packs for $15 and up.

Just stop drinking period. Especially if you're white.

I have one drink a day, and have done that for about six months now. Works for me. I get some enjoyment out of it, and there is a real health benefit from that small level of drinking, mostly from reduced heat disease.

I have a distant cousin who is 103, and has a Manhattan every evening. My wife also had a relative who lived to 107 and liked his daily drink.

Clearly he was paid off, just wonder how much it cost Budweiser.

Patrick says

I have a distant cousin who is 103, and has a Manhattan every evening. My wife also had a relative who lived to 107 and liked his daily drink.

Jeanne Calment smoked until she was 117 and lived to be 122. So by your logic it seems all those 1950s doctors who pushed the benefits of smoking were right.

I'm pretty sure that smoking greatly reduces life expectancy for most people, and that is my personal experience with relatives who smoked.

But there is good evidence that moderate drinking significantly increases life expectancy, and my personal experience accords with that as well.

Jeanne Calment was some kind of mutant. I read that she smoked just one cigarette a day though. Maybe at that level it is not so bad, who knows?

If you smoke one cigarette a day, the next mooring your lungs purge all of the crap out of your lungs. But if you chronically smoke, all of that tar in those cigarettes mortars all of that crap into place, and you don't routinely expel all of the smoke and crap you smoked the day before. You wont start hacking it out until weeks or months after you stopped.

Tar scaffolding holding up the lung tissue and alcohol poison. If you can't throttle a bottle in a single sitting, it's totally from wimpsville.

Didn't a UFC guy say trans are mentally ill and should not be supported by public and than said this message is sponsored by bud light?

Patrick says

But there is good evidence that moderate drinking significantly increases life expectancy

Um, no.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/moderate-alcohol-consumption-should-not-be-recommended-for-health-reasons

True, there was slanted research that had the thesis of the benefits of drinking, but it was put out for the same reason as the lie about the vaxx prevents covid.

Alcohol is a poison that can damage every organ in the body, just that low consumption is below the threshold of noticeable damage. If you like your wine, fine, drink up. But do not push that alcohol as a health food. "Significantly" increases life expectancy? Maybe NAPA Valley Growers Association can sponsor research on how the alcohol in wine prevents myocarditis.

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

But I get what you're saying, a lot of research is created simply to please businesses which have influence over science funding.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

Yep, like the Paunch Paradox: BMI mid-high 20s associated with longer lifespans, faster recovery, and less routine illness. Obesity is BMI 29+

The drinking is healthy story is a myth but it's "supported by statistics".

During the metabolism of ethanol it's turned into acetyl aldehyde inside your body.

Aldehydes are extremely toxic.
An example of an aldehyde is formaldehyde.

Sipping poison is harmless to us at a low level, one per week probably has no negative effects.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

But I get what you're saying, a lot of research is created simply to please businesses which have influence over science funding.

My take is that we're alive today because of alcohol. Low life expectancy numbers were due to kids dying. 300 years ago they'd drink alcohol because the water was shit. Guess what? We're sitting here on pat net typing about it because, to some extent, alcohol. Our ancestors lived and they lived drinking copious amounts of alcohol.

Alcohol is dangerous and deadly in excess. So not promoting it. My BIL died from it. That said I know functional alcoholics that made it to their 90's and even 100. I'm not talking a drink a night. Multiple.

I think the key is if you like a drink, what else do you intake in a day? If I was on medication of any kind I wouldn't recommend drinking at all. In fact the medication might make you feel better now, but is likely killing you faster than the booze. Everyone also always goes to the liver first. Pancreas is what does most alcoholics in if they drink in excess. Once that SOB is toast you're done. It's a matter of when, not if you die. Liver is a tough mother fucker.

I recommend everyone watch a documentary called "How beer saved the world".

https://youtu.be/pcLasNk4i-c?si=7hD7biReNvyjWN0q

GNL says

I recommend everyone watch a documentary called "How beer saved the world".

i'm gonna have to check that out. As strictly a beer drinker I think it's probably true and why I mention the water thing. Not sure if that's part of the film.

Hard liquor is where the alcoholics go to die. I drink daily, not in excess and just some shitty light beer (sorry beer snobs). Just went through the gauntlet of medical tests. MRI, EEG, CT Scan and blood work. Nothing. Totally healthy for a 40 year old with no concerns besides slightly elevated BP which I've had before I even started drinking.

I think alcohol gets a bad reputation because of the hard stuff if I'm being honest. Not justifying anything I do, I probably drink more than I should. But hard alcohol is trash in my world. I will call a good friend a cunt if they offer me a shot. Get fucked. I actually think if prohibition came back and was for 20 proof and over it would be a good thing. Wine, beer, Prosecco, some coffee liquor and other light booze is fine. You have to have massive amounts in my opinion to lead to health problems. 20oz of vodka a day, a water bottle, is way easier than 35 beers.

Weed is going the same route. There should be a cap on THC and MG's per dose? Having done shrooms and acid, the weed is getting a bit extreme in my opinion. Won't kill you like alcohol can, but it's going too far at this point. Always wanted it legal, but there has to be someone tapping the brakes on this. I don't like regulation, but my dumb ass has totally gotten fucked up with weed. Haven't done that with alcohol in decades. Fact is most people can't drink that much liquid. With 40% alcohol versus 5% and 10x the ounces you get fucked up and damage your body. I have to drink 64 ounces over 2-3 hours to have a buzz. Drink 6 shots in an hour and see where you're at...

I have known several beer alcoholics; a couple are still living.

clambo says

During the metabolism of ethanol it's turned into acetyl aldehyde inside your body.

Correct and it takes 2 enzymatic steps to metabolize alcohol. If you've run through the 2nd you just make lots of that poison which is one of the reasons hangovers suck so much.

You can make that much less likely by taking 600mg of NAC before you start drinking.