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I think the older Conservatives are starting to soften on Bud Light. I think because they have a lot of fond memories drinking Bud Light, and this whole dust up is tainting those memories. I have ran across several people over 65 that says Bud Light is coming back, "Did you see their new cans?".

money talks fast, republicans sell their principles out to highest bidder just the same.

It's fucking crap beer manufactured in bulk. Change the label, the name and the advertising campaign and move on.

One thing I noticed is all of the other distributors pulled back and propped Bud Light up.
Yuengling and Modelo could have over taken Bud Light as the number one beer in America. But instead they raised their price and throttled production.
Yuengling selling like it's a premium import beer now. While before this they were always an affordable retail domestic beer. They are neck and neck with Guinness in price. They were always several dollars cheaper a six pack before the Bud Light dust up. If Becks and St Paulie Girl can sell a 12 pack under $13.00 then there's just no reason why Yuengling is selling 6 packs for $10.99 and 12 packs for $15 and up.

Just stop drinking period. Especially if you're white.

I have one drink a day, and have done that for about six months now. Works for me. I get some enjoyment out of it, and there is a real health benefit from that small level of drinking, mostly from reduced heat disease.

I have a distant cousin who is 103, and has a Manhattan every evening. My wife also had a relative who lived to 107 and liked his daily drink.

Clearly he was paid off, just wonder how much it cost Budweiser.

Patrick says

I have a distant cousin who is 103, and has a Manhattan every evening. My wife also had a relative who lived to 107 and liked his daily drink.

Jeanne Calment smoked until she was 117 and lived to be 122. So by your logic it seems all those 1950s doctors who pushed the benefits of smoking were right.

I'm pretty sure that smoking greatly reduces life expectancy for most people, and that is my personal experience with relatives who smoked.

But there is good evidence that moderate drinking significantly increases life expectancy, and my personal experience accords with that as well.

Jeanne Calment was some kind of mutant. I read that she smoked just one cigarette a day though. Maybe at that level it is not so bad, who knows?

If you smoke one cigarette a day, the next mooring your lungs purge all of the crap out of your lungs. But if you chronically smoke, all of that tar in those cigarettes mortars all of that crap into place, and you don't routinely expel all of the smoke and crap you smoked the day before. You wont start hacking it out until weeks or months after you stopped.

Tar scaffolding holding up the lung tissue and alcohol poison. If you can't throttle a bottle in a single sitting, it's totally from wimpsville.

Didn't a UFC guy say trans are mentally ill and should not be supported by public and than said this message is sponsored by bud light?

Patrick says

But there is good evidence that moderate drinking significantly increases life expectancy

Um, no.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/moderate-alcohol-consumption-should-not-be-recommended-for-health-reasons

True, there was slanted research that had the thesis of the benefits of drinking, but it was put out for the same reason as the lie about the vaxx prevents covid.

Alcohol is a poison that can damage every organ in the body, just that low consumption is below the threshold of noticeable damage. If you like your wine, fine, drink up. But do not push that alcohol as a health food. "Significantly" increases life expectancy? Maybe NAPA Valley Growers Association can sponsor research on how the alcohol in wine prevents myocarditis.

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

But I get what you're saying, a lot of research is created simply to please businesses which have influence over science funding.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

Yep, like the Paunch Paradox: BMI mid-high 20s associated with longer lifespans, faster recovery, and less routine illness. Obesity is BMI 29+

The drinking is healthy story is a myth but it's "supported by statistics".

During the metabolism of ethanol it's turned into acetyl aldehyde inside your body.

Aldehydes are extremely toxic.
An example of an aldehyde is formaldehyde.

Sipping poison is harmless to us at a low level, one per week probably has no negative effects.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

But I get what you're saying, a lot of research is created simply to please businesses which have influence over science funding.

My take is that we're alive today because of alcohol. Low life expectancy numbers were due to kids dying. 300 years ago they'd drink alcohol because the water was shit. Guess what? We're sitting here on pat net typing about it because, to some extent, alcohol. Our ancestors lived and they lived drinking copious amounts of alcohol.

Alcohol is dangerous and deadly in excess. So not promoting it. My BIL died from it. That said I know functional alcoholics that made it to their 90's and even 100. I'm not talking a drink a night. Multiple.

I think the key is if you like a drink, what else do you intake in a day? If I was on medication of any kind I wouldn't recommend drinking at all. In fact the medication might make you feel better now, but is likely killing you faster than the booze. Everyone also always goes to the liver first. Pancreas is what does most alcoholics in if they drink in excess. Once that SOB is toast you're done. It's a matter of when, not if you die. Liver is a tough mother fucker.

I recommend everyone watch a documentary called "How beer saved the world".

https://youtu.be/pcLasNk4i-c?si=7hD7biReNvyjWN0q

GNL says

I recommend everyone watch a documentary called "How beer saved the world".

i'm gonna have to check that out. As strictly a beer drinker I think it's probably true and why I mention the water thing. Not sure if that's part of the film.

Hard liquor is where the alcoholics go to die. I drink daily, not in excess and just some shitty light beer (sorry beer snobs). Just went through the gauntlet of medical tests. MRI, EEG, CT Scan and blood work. Nothing. Totally healthy for a 40 year old with no concerns besides slightly elevated BP which I've had before I even started drinking.

I think alcohol gets a bad reputation because of the hard stuff if I'm being honest. Not justifying anything I do, I probably drink more than I should. But hard alcohol is trash in my world. I will call a good friend a cunt if they offer me a shot. Get fucked. I actually think if prohibition came back and was for 20 proof and over it would be a good thing. Wine, beer, Prosecco, some coffee liquor and other light booze is fine. You have to have massive amounts in my opinion to lead to health problems. 20oz of vodka a day, a water bottle, is way easier than 35 beers.

Weed is going the same route. There should be a cap on THC and MG's per dose? Having done shrooms and acid, the weed is getting a bit extreme in my opinion. Won't kill you like alcohol can, but it's going too far at this point. Always wanted it legal, but there has to be someone tapping the brakes on this. I don't like regulation, but my dumb ass has totally gotten fucked up with weed. Haven't done that with alcohol in decades. Fact is most people can't drink that much liquid. With 40% alcohol versus 5% and 10x the ounces you get fucked up and damage your body. I have to drink 64 ounces over 2-3 hours to have a buzz. Drink 6 shots in an hour and see where you're at...

I have known several beer alcoholics; a couple are still living.

clambo says

During the metabolism of ethanol it's turned into acetyl aldehyde inside your body.

Correct and it takes 2 enzymatic steps to metabolize alcohol. If you've run through the 2nd you just make lots of that poison which is one of the reasons hangovers suck so much.

You can make that much less likely by taking 600mg of NAC before you start drinking.

Trump World is saying the same thing......"Go easy on Bud Light and Disney! They have said nice things about Trump!"

He's an enterntainer. As in "will dance, sing or say things for money". Meaning that whatever he says or does might not align with his personal beliefs.

Same goes for that Kid Rock character.

Like with the vax, everybody bears the consequences of their particular wishful thinking. They thought the vax was healthy, too, and many went to the trouble of imposing it on others including their own families. I couldn't talk anybody out of it. The bodies are stacking up.

Alcohol is a poison, period, it is not 'healthful' because it temporarily makes you feel good, or your body can metabolize it rather quickly.

My gripe isn't with drinking, drink all you want, bottoms up, just don't pin fake attributions to it. "It's poison, but I am going to use it anyway, because I like the way it makes me feel, damn the world."

With highly profitable industries that pay shills, actors, media and doctors to slant research over an addictive substance, what could possibly go wrong?

I have no doubt that a lot of alcohol will kill you in short order. Nonetheless, the statistics looking at literally millions of people clearly show that those who drink a little bit somehow live longer on average than those who don't drink at all.

The arguments against the protective effect against heart disease have to claim that this overwhelming correlation is not causation because... reasons. One reason I just read is that people who drink just a little bit tend to be wealthier. I suppose that could be true, but it seems like reaching.

Given the known effect that alcohol has in dilating blood vessels, that alone could be the reason for the statistics showing that alcohol helps.

Anecdotally, my old boss told me that he overheard two cardiac surgeons marveling that while alcoholics were in generally poor health, they had remarkably clean coronary arteries.

Alcoholics have clean coronary arteries because alcohol is a tissue poison that thins the arterial walls, making them weaker. Alcoholic arteries aren't healthy, they are thin and flaccid. Arteries have muscles that regulate blood pressure and perform metabolic functions. There was a study in Russia dissecting early age deaths from alcoholics, with lots of pictures of dissected 'clean' arteries. They did not look 'healthy', in spite of being 'clean', they looked more like vitiated strings.

Drinking spikes your blood pressure (aldehyde), increasing likelihood of stroke in the susceptible. Alcoholics have an increased incidence of dissecting aneurysm. Weakened heart muscle and weak, thin arteries are not a sign of healthy circulatory system. The vessels are also weakened, and can lead to internal bleeding, also from alcohol related coagulopathies.

Alcohol, as water soluble, enters every water soluble body compartment, is also terrible for joints and bone, as well as brain, liver and pancreas. I have a friend who says his drinking contributed to his joint/skeletal weakness and need for artificial joints, he researched it.

There are multiple citations for damages to health and mentation from alcohol use for every citation of alleged 'health'. I know it is pointless because drinkers will drink and 'want to believe'. The 'heart health' stuff seems to be the main theme.

I seriously doubt you would find an objective pathologist who routinely does autopsies who would vouch for the 'health effects' of alcohol. They probably drink, too, anyway, because just hang it all.

I know this pisses people off, but so be it, alcohol mythology is just that, mythology to reassure the customers.

Right, large amounts of alcohol are generally fatal. I do not dispute that.

But as they teach in pharmacy school, "The dose makes the drug." Small amounts of a drug can have the opposite effect from large amounts. This well-known effect even has a name, hormesis.