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PeopleUnited said:

‘The statutory rape is obvious and undeniable. The blackmail part just doesn’t fit here. There is no way all these smart men fell into a trap that compromised them for some underaged prostitution. I can’t believe these guys are that desperate for sex with teenagers that they would set themselves up for blackmail. It makes no sense.’

But, but, but … what if the creepy pedophiles didn’t know that they were being clandestinely filmed? Does that scenario ‘fit’ for you?

Jizzlaine was never and is not in prison, just like Epstein didn't kill himself. Alive or dead, nobody knows, the CIA run Federal Fake Potemkin Courts tell no truth. Nobody from her extended, dynastic Intel family ever visited her during or after trial. That means she was never there.

The 'missing minute'?

RayPalestine says

what if the creepy pedophiles didn’t know that they were being clandestinely filmed? Does that scenario ‘fit’ for you?

I’m not sure I’d call a guy who has sex with a teenager a pedophile. A statutory rapist yes. But I don’t believe this guys are stupid enough to allow themselves to be blackmailed. Being invited to statutory rape island is evidence enough that you are a statutory rapist. We don’t need video evidence. So basically everyone who went there knew they were walking into a highly illegal event sponsored by one of the scuziest sexual deviants around. They were not worried about it though because it wasn’t a trap, it was a perk of being a corrupt globalist. They weren’t worried about being caught or exposed because they are above the law, and they are. In fact only two of the people took a fall. Everyone else got off Scott free didn’t they?

Copied off X:

The Epstein List

• John Connelly, New York police detective
• Alan Dershowitz, prolific lawyer and media pundit who represented Epstein in 2006
• Leonardo DiCaprio
• Al Gore
• Richard Branson, British billionaire and business magnate, founder of the Virgin Group
• Stephen Hawking, British physicist and science author
• Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister
• Michael Jackson
• Marvin Minksy, artificial intelligence pioneer
• Kevin Spacey, actor known for his roles in Se7en and House of Cards, found not guilty of sexual assault in 2023
• George Lucas
• Jean Luc Brunel, French model agency boss and alleged Epstein co-conspirator who died in an apparent suicide while awaiting trial
• Cate Blanchett, Australian actor who starred in The Lord of the Rings and Tár
• Naomi Campbell, British model
• Heidi Klum, German-US model
• Sharon Churcher, British journalist
• Bruce Willis
• Bianca Jagger, activist and wife of The Rolling Stones frontman, Sir Mick Jagger
• Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico
• Cameron Diaz, actor who starred in Shrek
• Glenn Dubin, an American hedge fund manager who was allegedly friends with Epstein
• Eva Andersson-Dubin, former Miss Sweden and wife of Glenn Dubin, who once dated Epstein
• Noam Chomsky, linguist and political philosopher
• Tom Pritzker, American tycoon and philanthropist
• Chris Tucker, American comedian and actor known for his role in the Rush Hour films
• Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, former wife of Prince Andrew
• Robert F Kennedy Jr
• James Michael Austrich
• Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstein’s home in Florida
• Janusz Banasiak, served as Epstein’s Palm Beach house manager
• Bella Klein or Klen (documents differ), a former accountant in Epstein’s New York office
• Leslie or Lesley Groff (documents differ), Epstein’s former secretary, who was named as a co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal but reportedly will not be charged
• Victoria Bean
• Rebecca Boylan
• Dana Burns
• Bill Gates
• Ron Eppinger, alleged sex trafficker
• Daniel Estes
• Louis Freeh, former director of the FBI
• Frédéric Fekkai, celebrity hairstylist
• Alexandra Fekkai, son of celebrity hairstylist
• Jo Jo Fontanella, Epstein’s butler
• Doug Band, longtime Bill Clinton aide who says he urged Clinton cut ties with Epstein
• Prince Andrew, acused of sexual assaul
• Eric Gany
• Meg Garvin, represented Virginia Giuffre
• Sheridan Gibson-Butte
• Ross Gow, Maxwell’s press agent
• Fred Graff
• Robert Giuffre
• Philip Guderyon
• Alexandra Hall
• Joanna Harrison
• Shannon Harrison
• Victoria Hazel
• Brittany Henderson
• Brett Jaffe
• Forest Jones
• Sarah Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
• Adriana Ross, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-
conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
• Carol Kess
• Dr Steven Olson
• Stephen Kaufmann
• Wendy Leigh, author
• Peter Listerman
• Tom Lyons
• Nadia Marcinkova, alleged friend of Epstein’s, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
• Bob Meister
• Jamie Melanson
• Donald Morrell
• David Mullen
• David Norr
• Joe Pagano
• May Paluga
• Stanley Pottinger
• Detective Joe Recarey, former Palm Beach police officer who investigated reports of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
• Chief Michael Reiter, responsible for investigation of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
• Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo, husband and wife who worked for Epstein’s alleged friend Glenn Dubin
• Sky Roberts
• Kimblerley Roberts
• Lynn Roberts
• Haley Robson, named as a “teen recruiter” for Epstein in police
documents
• Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
• Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein’s Florida home
• Scott Rothinson
• Forest Sawyer
• Dough Schoetlle, investigator
• Cecilia Stein
• Marianne Strong
• Mark Tafoya
• Emmy Taylor, Maxwell’s ex-personal assistant
• Brent Tindall
• Kevin Thompson
• Ed Tuttle
• Les Wexner, founder of L Brands and a former business partner of
Epstein
• Abigail Wexner, wife of Les Wexner
• Cresenda Valdes
• Emma Vaghan
• Anthony Valladares
• Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
• Maritza Vazquez
• Vicky Ward, investigative journalist and author who claims she was
blocked from covering Epstein’s misdeeds while working at Vanity
Fair
• Jarred Weisfield
• Sharon White
• Courtney Wild
• Daniel Wilson
• Mark Zeff, New York decorator
• Kelly Spamm, unknown person listed as flying on Epstein’s private jet
• Alexandra Dixon, unknown person listed in Epstein’s ‘little black book’
• Alfredo Rodriguez, Epstein’s former household manager, jailed in
2012 for hiding and trying to sell Epstein’s ‘black book’
• Ricardo Legorreta, Mexican designer listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private jet
• Bill Clinton
• Hilary Clinton
• Madonna
• Joe Biden

I suspect that this list is incomplete.

Booger says

he’s hideous

PeopleUnited says

I’m not sure I’d call a guy who has sex with a teenager a pedophile.

I'm sure.
Can I quote you on that, PeopleUnited?

https://web.archive.org/web/20191201014309/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/business/david-boies-pottinger-jeffrey-epstein-videos.html

He told the lawyers he had something incendiary: a vast archive of Mr. Epstein’s data, stored on encrypted servers overseas. He said he had years of the financier’s communications and financial records — as well as thousands of hours of footage from hidden cameras in the bedrooms of Mr. Epstein’s properties. The videos, Kessler said, captured some of the world’s richest, most powerful men in compromising sexual situations — even in the act of rape.

Kessler said he wanted to expose these men. If he was telling the truth, his trove could answer one of the Epstein saga’s most baffling questions: How did a college dropout and high school math teacher amass a purported nine-figure fortune? One persistent but unproven theory was that he ran a sprawling blackmail operation. That would explain why moguls, scientists, political leaders and a royal stayed loyal to him, in some cases even after he first went to jail. ...

Kessler claimed that a technology executive had introduced him to Mr. Epstein, who in 2012 hired Kessler to set up encrypted servers to preserve his extensive digital archives. With Mr. Epstein dead, Kessler boasted to the lawyers, he had unfettered access to the material. He said the volume of videos was overwhelming: more than a decade of round-the-clock footage from dozens of cameras.

Kessler displayed some pixelated video stills on his phone. In one, a bearded man with his mouth open appears to be having sex with a naked woman. Kessler said the man was Mr. Barak. In another, a man with black-framed glasses is seen shirtless with a woman on his lap, her breasts exposed. Kessler said it was Mr. Dershowitz. He also said that some of the supposed videos appeared to have been edited and cataloged for the purpose of blackmail.

“This was explosive information if true, for lots and lots of people,” Mr. Boies said in an interview. ...

“Can you share your contact that would be purchasing,” Kessler asked.

“Sheldon Adelson,” Mr. Pottinger answered.

Mr. Adelson, a billionaire casino magnate in Las Vegas, had founded one of Israel’s largest newspapers, and it was an enthusiastic booster of Mr. Netanyahu. Mr. Pottinger wrote that he and Mr. Boies hoped to fly to Nevada to meet with Mr. Adelson to discuss the images.

But overall, the article is dismissive.

RayAmerica says

But, but, but … what if the creepy pedophiles didn’t know that they were being clandestinely filmed? Does that scenario ‘fit’ for you?

Fly to a country with lower age of consent. Not counting flight time and time change I could be in a country where the age of consent is 14 by tomorrow and probably find a girl in a day on a commercial flight. Nope, go to a US territory where it's 18. Fly to Columbia (14), Curacao (15), etc. In this hemisphere. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/age-of-consent-by-country

Curacao is about a 3-4 hour flight from East of the Mississippi. An extra hour from St. Thomas and it's one island. These people are not that stupid. They could stay in the same hemisphere rail the local teens and it's not a crime. No trafficking. I think Epstein was just a freak with high power friends.

Epstein's jet never landed on the island. It couldn't. Flight logs are of ZERO meaning. Likely 8M+ people flew to St. Thomas commercially. Did they go to the island? The DOJ and FBI has no evidence. He said she said trials turn into defamation and we essentially get sued by people with big pockets. It's a simple explanation.

Again, did it happen? Probably, but they can't convince a judge or jury on it. They drive to the Ritz take a back entrance and service elevator. Have the receipt for the stay. Boat over in the dark. Then back when the deed was done. There's no video. It was all transferred and deleted to a different country without extradition agreements with the USA. Then deleted. This whole thing is over.

His stateside stuff is probably more provable than the island. You can't prove anyone went to Little St. James. I wish people would listen on here.

Flight logs are of minor importance, though not zero if they corroborate the sex videos.

It's really the videos that are important.

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/listen-to-michael-wolffs-interview

President Trump’s excoriation of a reporter asking about the so-called Epstein files shattered a long held MAGA mythos that cast him as a redemptive father figure who would soon slay the deep state elite pedophilia/blackmail dragon and free the people from lies.

It’s a doozy, the outburst, and it sent shockwaves through the ranks of Trump loyalists, and even reduced Alex Jones to tears.

As MAGA turned on Trump, elite liberals, right on cue, went anti-Epstein, (decades too late) as Trump was now a full on Epstein denier, making them Epstein alarmists, overnight. ...

https://substack.com/@larrycjohnson/p-167962536

Although Donald Trump and Pam Bondi insist that there is no Epstein Client List… there is a list and it is reproduced above with the permission of its author, Ryan Dawson. Ryan compiled the list the old-fashioned way… he combed through court transcripts and charging documents. He only put names on the list if the victims of Epstein’s pedophilia enterprise identified or named a particular individual. As you peruse the list you will notice that there are some very wealthy, powerful individuals named. Not one of them has brought a libel or slander legal action against Ryan. If he was posting false material, he would have been a certain target of lawsuits.

Here is a short video where Ryan explains his process...

So why has Donald Trump broken his promise to publish the list? I think there are two reasons — neither mutually exclusive. First, Donald Trump probably paid no attention to Ryan’s work and was never familiar with the list. Once he signed the Executive Order to publish the Epstein file, he was then briefed on the actual names and realized that many of them are major donors to his campaign, e.g., Jamie Dimon, Robert Kraft. While there are several names on that list who are confirmed anti-Trumpers, there are others who are friends.

Second, and in my opinion a more important consideration, is that the full Epstein file would expose a foreign intelligence blackmail operation that implicates the Mossad and the CIA. Alexander Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor for Donald Trump, said he was told that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to intelligence. During the controversy surrounding his handling of Epstein’s 2008 plea deal as a U.S. attorney, Acosta reportedly told Trump administration officials that he had been informed Epstein “belonged to intelligence,” and that this was a reason for the unusually lenient plea agreement. It would not surprise me that Bibi Netanyahu asked Trump to pull the plug on releasing the material. Did Trump get something in return from Bibi, such as agreeing to a ceasefire? We will find out in the coming days.

While Trump may think he can smooth this over with his MAGA base, I think he has done serious damage to his Presidency by embracing the lie that, “there is no list.”

Ryan hosted a video podcast from his home in South Korea with me tonight (i.e., Wednesday Eastern time) and we took turns interviewing each other. We started off with the Epstein matter:


original link

https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1943439441030185242

Ryan Dawson's Substack:

https://www.ryandawson.org/

B.A.C.A.H. says

PeopleUnited says

I’m not sure I’d call a guy who has sex with a teenager a pedophile.

I'm sure.
Can I quote you on that, PeopleUnited?

The difference between 17 and 18 is one second.

Furthermore Mary the mother of Jesus was 15 or 16 at the time of Jesus’s birth. So if having sex with a teenager makes you a pedophile, I guess Jesus’s earthly father is a pedophile. Not to mention that God the father by that standard knocked up a poor teenager. How terrible right?

No, not in my book, but I guess it’s easy to point fingers for some eh?

Maybe stimulating over reaction to test the comm nodes was part of the reason. If any event at all can wedge in some leverage to generate a sense of condemnation for Trump, especially among his own base, it becomes reactive, corrosive, rapid acting, viral and over the top.

Why did Trump reverse on releasing the Epstein video evidence? One explanation I just read somewhere is that many of Trump's biggest donors, friends, and inner circle were caught in Epstein's web. Example given was Jamie Dimon.

So Trump can't let all those videos come out no matter how heinous the crimes. It would devastate his own clique even if he personally is innocent.

1. If there are suspects under investigation, why would you forewarn them by releasing a list?
2. There are plenty of people who are on the list but never to Lolita Island or anywhere else, just exchanging rides on private planes
3. Where is all the evidence? Is this a Trump switcheroo? Get everybody to demand the evidence so they can't attack him when he arrests FBI agents and starts prosecuting them, having IRS investigate, etc.

Once again (because this will NEVER get old):

SUCKERS!!!

Patrick says

It's really the videos that are important.

There are no videos of sex acts. They had tons of time go get rid of it. And the flight logs don't matter. You can't land on the actual island in a jet. You need proof they went to the island, a victims testimony and the supposed video. Otherwise he said she said and you can't prove they went to the island.

I don't care who the supposed people are. I just mentioned countries in this hemisphere where it's legal to screw 14-15 year olds. At cruising altitude these places are 1-2 hours further from where most of these people live versus St. Thomas. Has anyone cared to even look at satellite imagery, a map, or even been there?

They should be focusing on Florida, New York and New Mexico. It's 99% an impossible case with Little St. James.

PanicanDemoralizer says

1. If there are suspects under investigation, why would you forewarn them by releasing a list?
2. There are plenty of people who are on the list but never to Lolita Island or anywhere else, just exchanging rides on private planes
3. Where is all the evidence? Is this a Trump switcheroo? Get everybody to demand the evidence so they can't attack him when he arrests FBI agents and starts prosecuting them, having IRS investigate, etc.

According to https://www.ryandawson.org/ the "list" is pretty much publicly available already in the evidence presented at the various trials that have already happened. Lots of people testified, like hundreds of girls, the pilots, and various staff that saw a lot of stuff.

He also rightly points out that merely being on Epstein's plane or in a photo with him or Ghislane isn't nothing, but it's pretty close to nothing. It just proves some contact. But there was real hard evidence already presented in court many times.

There was enough evidence that Ghislaine is in prison, Epstein was in prison, Jean-Luc Brunel was in prison (where he also mysteriously committed "suicide"), Prince Andrew paid out $16 million, an some banks are being forced to pay settlements to 200 of the Epstein victims:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/jpmorgan-jeffrey-epstein-settlement-lawsuit-victims

So he says all the relevant details are already pretty public, and that it's false to say that no one has been charged.